Francis Ngannou

[pamith]

A couple years? Isn’t he in his late 30s? He’s fighting the hands of time at this stage.

I watched an interview with Mark Coleman and he made a comment about today’s heavyweights don’t want to go to the ground, that there’s not enough wrestling and so on. I thought he was off base but looking at current state of HW maybe his point was valid.

His point is valid

[Matt]

Bronx Tale?

LMFAO!!!!

How the F*CK did you figure that out? Hahahaha!!!

YES!

I wasn't joking though - I still meant it when I said that to you. It's just interesting you caught a reference to a 28-year-old movie like that - good stuff!

To anyone interested, start at the 3:15 mark, to see the part where I complimented AbrahamG by ripping off a Robert De Niro line from an Ironage movie he was in, in 1993:

 

[Matt]

This first bit is not related to this thread - just me addressing some moronic comment that King said previously. The other massive long part at the bottom addresses this thread. I put words in King's mouth here, but he basically actually said this [close enough]:

I wear a mask when I go out, when I'm not even sick, to "help people", despite no scientific evidence existing that asymptomatic spread is a significant percentage of COVID transmissions. But rather than educate myself on actual facts, I prefer watching TV and having an opinion given to me.

I'm also fat.

King - remember when you said I was fucked?

I may be many things, but at least I never said "I wear a mask to help people", when not even sick. 

Ok, and how about all the decades prior to 2020 where you didn't do that? Did you not want to "help people", or do you just do whatever the TV tells you to do? LMAO @ you wearing a mask when not even sick, when asymptotic spread accounts for under 2% of all Covid-19 cases.

In Canada, 90% of deaths were among people aged 70+. 69% of deaths were in nursing homes alone!

And yet you - and rafts of morons like you - wore a mask [or still do] while not even sick, for a virus that is 2,807 TIMES as likely to kill someone over 80 as it is to kill someone under 40.

Yet I'm fucked?

Dude - YOU WEAR A FACE DIAPER WHILE NOT EVEN SICK BECAUSE THE TV TELLS YOU TO, AND YOU COMPLY LIKE A BITCH WITH NO HESITATION.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

So from now on:

We're cool. I'm going to take your individual posts for what they are, and ignore your past record.

You're also fat.

But I've decided that any time you respond to one of my posts by saying "Haha, you're fucked", or something like that, I'm going to remind Getbig who between the two of us is the tool who spent 2020 [and 2021?] wearing a mask while not even sick "to help people" [LMAO], despite no evidence showing that asymptomatic spread exists outside under 2% of cases, and that you do it for the sole reason because the TV tells you to do it.

Haha, would you put Booth's thong underwear over your head if the TV told you to? 

By the way, post ONE scientific study showing that asymptomatic spread is a real thing worth worrying about.

Oh wait - you don't form your views based on empirical evidence, you turn on the TV to have views given to you.

Did you seriously wear a mask for over a year now while NOT SICK, just because the TV told you to? LOL!!!!!!!

And I'm fucked? Dude, I'm not the DUMBASS who's been wearing a mask for over a year while not even sick, haha.

Imagine if someone wearing a Hazmat suit to not spread a virus he DIDN'T EVEN HAVE called you fucked? Wouldn't you be like "Is this fucking idiot for real?"

Aren't you Fat Alex23?

...

This part of my reply here is related to this thread:

He just needs the weight/strength to do it.

Anyway, regarding your point [quoted above] on Jon Jones gaining strength - Jones has deadlifted 605-lb, and bench pressed 350-lb. So he is very strong. He was likely on steroids when he hit those lifts, so I'm not sure how much he is lifting lately. But he was probably the strongest UFC fighter on his weight class at the time, and one of the strongest UFC fighters ever. Brock Lesnar was said to bench press 475-lb, and that is all the more impressive to me given that he has an 81" reach.

As for Jon Jones, his strength has probably declined now that he is presumably clean - which I believe he is, given that he has been passing steroid tests. I'm not sure if he is still using cocaine and partying - hopefully not. He is a year younger than Francis Ngannou, but has more miles on his body than Ngannou does.

To your point regarding Jones having to put on weight:

I think that Mike Tyson and Igor Vovchanchyn, among others, proved that you do not need to be over 220- to 230-lb to be the best/toughest fighter in the world.

Tyson's heaviest weight was around 218-lb. I'm not sure if he ever fought at 220+, but if he did - he would have been NARROWLY over that...maybe 222-lb max in a fight, but none that I recall. Igor Vovchanchyn fought between 220- to 230-lb at 5'8". Maybe 5'8" and 225-lb. And he beat Mark Kerr twice [the first controversially, but not the second], who was 6'3", and was a juiced 260-lb at the time of those fights.

So I think as far as body weight offering an advantage, that advantage "maxes out" at some point. And I think the 220- to 230-lb range is when that happens, beyond which, body weight alone doesn't matter, even if a 225-lb fighter is fighting a 450-lb fighter. Basically, because fighters trade off speed and stamina for power as they get heavier.

Also, watching the fight between Israel Adesanya and Paulo Costa [where Israel had gyno], Paulo was lean and jacked, probably weighing around 215-lb on the night of the fight, at 6'1" tall.

Contrast that to [as Costa called him], the "skinny clown" Israel Adesanya, who at 6'4", probably competes closer to his weigh-in weight of 185-lb.

Even if Adesanya was 6'4" and 200-lb, that's a far cry from 6'1" and 215-lb...and Costa was likely the leaner one of the two [and, ironically, the cleaner one, as Adesanya had gyno].

It's possible that Jon Jones would have the same advantage, taking out Ngannou's legs with stinging leg kicks from bony legs.

But it's hard to say.

I don't think Jon Jones should be putting on weight just for the sake of doing it, at this stage in the game. I think he should come in at a normal big weight/size for him, but not to go overboard. Jones beat Cormier rather easily, and Cormier beat Miocic faster than Ngannou beat Miocic, and Miocic needed the experience with Miocic in their first fight in order to formulate a winning gameplan to beat him the second time out.

It would seem to me that "on paper", Jones could beat Ngannou, but that Jones would have to take it seriously, and devise a proper gameplan. That's how Ngannou beat Miocic the second time, and I don't think anyone should fight Ngannou thinking they will beat him without a gameplan.

If Jones has a good gameplan coming in, I think the Ngannou fight is quite winnable.

The only thing I'm not taking into consideration here is miles. Jones does have more miles, due to years of high-level fighting...whereas Ngannou's fights often end with victories without even going to the 2nd round.

That would be the reason I think Ngannou stands a legitimate chance of beating Jones - as Ngannou is more fresh, despite being a year older.

A prime Jones could beat Ngannou, IMO, but I'm not so sure how close the Jones of today is to his prime.

[Matt]

Frank Mir could take him.
Seriously though, Heavyweights need to get better at wrestling and submissions. Stipe proved that with his decision win against Ngannou in the first fight.

Few (if any) can match his punching power. It will take a guy with above average power, and high level collegiate wrestling, to beat Francis (minus a lucky punch that can happen to anyone)

A heavyweight with great submission skills (does one exist  ) Would be hard to beat.

If Jon Jones can gain enough weight (part of Stipe's problem) he has the skills to take Ngannou down multiple times, and the submissions to take him out.

He just needs the weight/strength to do it.

The problem with Ngannou, is he has superhero power. Nobody can take a flush shot from that man, most get hurt by getting clipped. That's what makes him so dangerous  and exciting to watch.

You're also fat.

FYI, we're cool now.

But you're also fat.

[Kwon]

You're also fat.

FYI, we're cool now.

But you're also fat.

At least he isn't an alcoholic or similar

[AbrahamG]

LMFAO!!!!

How the F*CK did you figure that out? Hahahaha!!!

YES!

I wasn't joking though - I still meant it when I said that to you. It's just interesting you caught a reference to a 28-year-old movie like that - good stuff!

To anyone interested, start at the 3:15 mark, to see the part where I complimented AbrahamG by ripping off a Robert De Niro line from an Ironage movie he was in, in 1993:

 

Thanks Matt. Appreciate the sentiment. That is a great movie. The look on her face when "C" calls her brother a "N" is priceless.

[King Shizzo]

You're also fat.

FYI, we're cool now.

But you're also fat.

Was that funny to you?

[Kwon]

This first bit is not related to this thread - just me addressing some moronic comment that King said previously. The other massive long part at the bottom addresses this thread. I put words in King's mouth here, but he basically actually said this [close enough]:

King - remember when you said I was fucked?

I may be many things, but at least I never said "I wear a mask to help people", when not even sick. 

Ok, and how about all the decades prior to 2020 where you didn't do that? Did you not want to "help people", or do you just do whatever the TV tells you to do? LMAO @ you wearing a mask when not even sick, when asymptotic spread accounts for under 2% of all Covid-19 cases.

In Canada, 90% of deaths were among people aged 70+. 69% of deaths were in nursing homes alone!

And yet you - and rafts of morons like you - wore a mask [or still do] while not even sick, for a virus that is 2,807 TIMES as likely to kill someone over 80 as it is to kill someone under 40.

Yet I'm fucked?

Dude - YOU WEAR A FACE DIAPER WHILE NOT EVEN SICK BECAUSE THE TV TELLS YOU TO, AND YOU COMPLY LIKE A BITCH WITH NO HESITATION.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

So from now on:

We're cool. I'm going to take your individual posts for what they are, and ignore your past record.

You're also fat.

But I've decided that any time you respond to one of my posts by saying "Haha, you're fucked", or something like that, I'm going to remind Getbig who between the two of us is the tool who spent 2020 [and 2021?] wearing a mask while not even sick "to help people" [LMAO], despite no evidence showing that asymptomatic spread exists outside under 2% of cases, and that you do it for the sole reason because the TV tells you to do it.

Haha, would you put Booth's thong underwear over your head if the TV told you to? 

By the way, post ONE scientific study showing that asymptomatic spread is a real thing worth worrying about.

Oh wait - you don't form your views based on empirical evidence, you turn on the TV to have views given to you.

Did you seriously wear a mask for over a year now while NOT SICK, just because the TV told you to? LOL!!!!!!!

And I'm fucked? Dude, I'm not the DUMBASS who's been wearing a mask for over a year while not even sick, haha.

Imagine if someone wearing a Hazmat suit to not spread a virus he DIDN'T EVEN HAVE called you fucked? Wouldn't you be like "Is this fucking idiot for real?"

Aren't you Fat Alex23?

...

This part of my reply here is related to this thread:

Anyway, regarding your point [quoted above] on Jon Jones gaining strength - Jones has deadlifted 605-lb, and bench pressed 350-lb. So he is very strong. He was likely on steroids when he hit those lifts, so I'm not sure how much he is lifting lately. But he was probably the strongest UFC fighter on his weight class at the time, and one of the strongest UFC fighters ever. Brock Lesnar was said to bench press 475-lb, and that is all the more impressive to me given that he has an 81" reach.

As for Jon Jones, his strength has probably declined now that he is presumably clean - which I believe he is, given that he has been passing steroid tests. I'm not sure if he is still using cocaine and partying - hopefully not. He is a year younger than Francis Ngannou, but has more miles on his body than Ngannou does.

To your point regarding Jones having to put on weight:

I think that Mike Tyson and Igor Vovchanchyn, among others, proved that you do not need to be over 220- to 230-lb to be the best/toughest fighter in the world.

Tyson's heaviest weight was around 218-lb. I'm not sure if he ever fought at 220+, but if he did - he would have been NARROWLY over that...maybe 222-lb max in a fight, but none that I recall. Igor Vovchanchyn fought between 220- to 230-lb at 5'8". Maybe 5'8" and 225-lb. And he beat Mark Kerr twice [the first controversially, but not the second], who was 6'3", and was a juiced 260-lb at the time of those fights.

So I think as far as body weight offering an advantage, that advantage "maxes out" at some point. And I think the 220- to 230-lb range is when that happens, beyond which, body weight alone doesn't matter, even if a 225-lb fighter is fighting a 450-lb fighter. Basically, because fighters trade off speed and stamina for power as they get heavier.

Also, watching the fight between Israel Adesanya and Paulo Costa [where Israel had gyno], Paulo was lean and jacked, probably weighing around 215-lb on the night of the fight, at 6'1" tall.

Contrast that to [as Costa called him], the "skinny clown" Israel Adesanya, who at 6'4", probably competes closer to his weigh-in weight of 185-lb.

Even if Adesanya was 6'4" and 200-lb, that's a far cry from 6'1" and 215-lb...and Costa was likely the leaner one of the two [and, ironically, the cleaner one, as Adesanya had gyno].

It's possible that Jon Jones would have the same advantage, taking out Ngannou's legs with stinging leg kicks from bony legs.

But it's hard to say.

I don't think Jon Jones should be putting on weight just for the sake of doing it, at this stage in the game. I think he should come in at a normal big weight/size for him, but not to go overboard. Jones beat Cormier rather easily, and Cormier beat Miocic faster than Ngannou beat Miocic, and Miocic needed the experience with Miocic in their first fight in order to formulate a winning gameplan to beat him the second time out.

It would seem to me that "on paper", Jones could beat Ngannou, but that Jones would have to take it seriously, and devise a proper gameplan. That's how Ngannou beat Miocic the second time, and I don't think anyone should fight Ngannou thinking they will beat him without a gameplan.

If Jones has a good gameplan coming in, I think the Ngannou fight is quite winnable.

The only thing I'm not taking into consideration here is miles. Jones does have more miles, due to years of high-level fighting...whereas Ngannou's fights often end with victories without even going to the 2nd round.

That would be the reason I think Ngannou stands a legitimate chance of beating Jones - as Ngannou is more fresh, despite being a year older.

A prime Jones could beat Ngannou, IMO, but I'm not so sure how close the Jones of today is to his prime.

FULLY agree on this Matty!

[joswift]

This first bit is not related to this thread - just me addressing some moronic comment that King said previously. The other massive long part at the bottom addresses this thread. I put words in King's mouth here, but he basically actually said this [close enough]:

King - remember when you said I was fucked?

I may be many things, but at least I never said "I wear a mask to help people", when not even sick. 

Ok, and how about all the decades prior to 2020 where you didn't do that? Did you not want to "help people", or do you just do whatever the TV tells you to do? LMAO @ you wearing a mask when not even sick, when asymptotic spread accounts for under 2% of all Covid-19 cases.

In Canada, 90% of deaths were among people aged 70+. 69% of deaths were in nursing homes alone!

And yet you - and rafts of morons like you - wore a mask [or still do] while not even sick, for a virus that is 2,807 TIMES as likely to kill someone over 80 as it is to kill someone under 40.

Yet I'm fucked?

Dude - YOU WEAR A FACE DIAPER WHILE NOT EVEN SICK BECAUSE THE TV TELLS YOU TO, AND YOU COMPLY LIKE A BITCH WITH NO HESITATION.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

So from now on:

We're cool. I'm going to take your individual posts for what they are, and ignore your past record.

You're also fat.

But I've decided that any time you respond to one of my posts by saying "Haha, you're fucked", or something like that, I'm going to remind Getbig who between the two of us is the tool who spent 2020 [and 2021?] wearing a mask while not even sick "to help people" [LMAO], despite no evidence showing that asymptomatic spread exists outside under 2% of cases, and that you do it for the sole reason because the TV tells you to do it.

Haha, would you put Booth's thong underwear over your head if the TV told you to? 

By the way, post ONE scientific study showing that asymptomatic spread is a real thing worth worrying about.

Oh wait - you don't form your views based on empirical evidence, you turn on the TV to have views given to you.

Did you seriously wear a mask for over a year now while NOT SICK, just because the TV told you to? LOL!!!!!!!

And I'm fucked? Dude, I'm not the DUMBASS who's been wearing a mask for over a year while not even sick, haha.

Imagine if someone wearing a Hazmat suit to not spread a virus he DIDN'T EVEN HAVE called you fucked? Wouldn't you be like "Is this fucking idiot for real?"

Aren't you Fat Alex23?

...

This part of my reply here is related to this thread:

Anyway, regarding your point [quoted above] on Jon Jones gaining strength - Jones has deadlifted 605-lb, and bench pressed 350-lb. So he is very strong. He was likely on steroids when he hit those lifts, so I'm not sure how much he is lifting lately. But he was probably the strongest UFC fighter on his weight class at the time, and one of the strongest UFC fighters ever. Brock Lesnar was said to bench press 475-lb, and that is all the more impressive to me given that he has an 81" reach.

As for Jon Jones, his strength has probably declined now that he is presumably clean - which I believe he is, given that he has been passing steroid tests. I'm not sure if he is still using cocaine and partying - hopefully not. He is a year younger than Francis Ngannou, but has more miles on his body than Ngannou does.

To your point regarding Jones having to put on weight:

I think that Mike Tyson and Igor Vovchanchyn, among others, proved that you do not need to be over 220- to 230-lb to be the best/toughest fighter in the world.

Tyson's heaviest weight was around 218-lb. I'm not sure if he ever fought at 220+, but if he did - he would have been NARROWLY over that...maybe 222-lb max in a fight, but none that I recall. Igor Vovchanchyn fought between 220- to 230-lb at 5'8". Maybe 5'8" and 225-lb. And he beat Mark Kerr twice [the first controversially, but not the second], who was 6'3", and was a juiced 260-lb at the time of those fights.

So I think as far as body weight offering an advantage, that advantage "maxes out" at some point. And I think the 220- to 230-lb range is when that happens, beyond which, body weight alone doesn't matter, even if a 225-lb fighter is fighting a 450-lb fighter. Basically, because fighters trade off speed and stamina for power as they get heavier.

Also, watching the fight between Israel Adesanya and Paulo Costa [where Israel had gyno], Paulo was lean and jacked, probably weighing around 215-lb on the night of the fight, at 6'1" tall.

Contrast that to [as Costa called him], the "skinny clown" Israel Adesanya, who at 6'4", probably competes closer to his weigh-in weight of 185-lb.

Even if Adesanya was 6'4" and 200-lb, that's a far cry from 6'1" and 215-lb...and Costa was likely the leaner one of the two [and, ironically, the cleaner one, as Adesanya had gyno].

It's possible that Jon Jones would have the same advantage, taking out Ngannou's legs with stinging leg kicks from bony legs.

But it's hard to say.

I don't think Jon Jones should be putting on weight just for the sake of doing it, at this stage in the game. I think he should come in at a normal big weight/size for him, but not to go overboard. Jones beat Cormier rather easily, and Cormier beat Miocic faster than Ngannou beat Miocic, and Miocic needed the experience with Miocic in their first fight in order to formulate a winning gameplan to beat him the second time out.

It would seem to me that "on paper", Jones could beat Ngannou, but that Jones would have to take it seriously, and devise a proper gameplan. That's how Ngannou beat Miocic the second time, and I don't think anyone should fight Ngannou thinking they will beat him without a gameplan.

If Jones has a good gameplan coming in, I think the Ngannou fight is quite winnable.

The only thing I'm not taking into consideration here is miles. Jones does have more miles, due to years of high-level fighting...whereas Ngannou's fights often end with victories without even going to the 2nd round.

That would be the reason I think Ngannou stands a legitimate chance of beating Jones - as Ngannou is more fresh, despite being a year older.

A prime Jones could beat Ngannou, IMO, but I'm not so sure how close the Jones of today is to his prime.

there you go just jumping in and writing down the first thing that comes into your head without thinking it through..

[Les Grossman]

Was that funny to you?

It made me laugh.

Corky giving Fatzzo the public beatdown.

[AbrahamG]

It made me laugh.

Corky giving Fatzzo the public beatdown.

Corky! Lmfao.

[King Shizzo]

This first bit is not related to this thread - just me addressing some moronic comment that King said previously. The other massive long part at the bottom addresses this thread. I put words in King's mouth here, but he basically actually said this [close enough]:

King - remember when you said I was fucked?

I may be many things, but at least I never said "I wear a mask to help people", when not even sick. 

Ok, and how about all the decades prior to 2020 where you didn't do that? Did you not want to "help people", or do you just do whatever the TV tells you to do? LMAO @ you wearing a mask when not even sick, when asymptotic spread accounts for under 2% of all Covid-19 cases.

In Canada, 90% of deaths were among people aged 70+. 69% of deaths were in nursing homes alone!

And yet you - and rafts of morons like you - wore a mask [or still do] while not even sick, for a virus that is 2,807 TIMES as likely to kill someone over 80 as it is to kill someone under 40.

Yet I'm fucked?

Dude - YOU WEAR A FACE DIAPER WHILE NOT EVEN SICK BECAUSE THE TV TELLS YOU TO, AND YOU COMPLY LIKE A BITCH WITH NO HESITATION.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

So from now on:

We're cool. I'm going to take your individual posts for what they are, and ignore your past record.

You're also fat.

But I've decided that any time you respond to one of my posts by saying "Haha, you're fucked", or something like that, I'm going to remind Getbig who between the two of us is the tool who spent 2020 [and 2021?] wearing a mask while not even sick "to help people" [LMAO], despite no evidence showing that asymptomatic spread exists outside under 2% of cases, and that you do it for the sole reason because the TV tells you to do it.

Haha, would you put Booth's thong underwear over your head if the TV told you to? 

By the way, post ONE scientific study showing that asymptomatic spread is a real thing worth worrying about.

Oh wait - you don't form your views based on empirical evidence, you turn on the TV to have views given to you.

Did you seriously wear a mask for over a year now while NOT SICK, just because the TV told you to? LOL!!!!!!!

And I'm fucked? Dude, I'm not the DUMBASS who's been wearing a mask for over a year while not even sick, haha.

Imagine if someone wearing a Hazmat suit to not spread a virus he DIDN'T EVEN HAVE called you fucked? Wouldn't you be like "Is this fucking idiot for real?"

Aren't you Fat Alex23?

...

This part of my reply here is related to this thread:

Anyway, regarding your point [quoted above] on Jon Jones gaining strength - Jones has deadlifted 605-lb, and bench pressed 350-lb. So he is very strong. He was likely on steroids when he hit those lifts, so I'm not sure how much he is lifting lately. But he was probably the strongest UFC fighter on his weight class at the time, and one of the strongest UFC fighters ever. Brock Lesnar was said to bench press 475-lb, and that is all the more impressive to me given that he has an 81" reach.

As for Jon Jones, his strength has probably declined now that he is presumably clean - which I believe he is, given that he has been passing steroid tests. I'm not sure if he is still using cocaine and partying - hopefully not. He is a year younger than Francis Ngannou, but has more miles on his body than Ngannou does.

To your point regarding Jones having to put on weight:

I think that Mike Tyson and Igor Vovchanchyn, among others, proved that you do not need to be over 220- to 230-lb to be the best/toughest fighter in the world.

Tyson's heaviest weight was around 218-lb. I'm not sure if he ever fought at 220+, but if he did - he would have been NARROWLY over that...maybe 222-lb max in a fight, but none that I recall. Igor Vovchanchyn fought between 220- to 230-lb at 5'8". Maybe 5'8" and 225-lb. And he beat Mark Kerr twice [the first controversially, but not the second], who was 6'3", and was a juiced 260-lb at the time of those fights.

So I think as far as body weight offering an advantage, that advantage "maxes out" at some point. And I think the 220- to 230-lb range is when that happens, beyond which, body weight alone doesn't matter, even if a 225-lb fighter is fighting a 450-lb fighter. Basically, because fighters trade off speed and stamina for power as they get heavier.

Also, watching the fight between Israel Adesanya and Paulo Costa [where Israel had gyno], Paulo was lean and jacked, probably weighing around 215-lb on the night of the fight, at 6'1" tall.

Contrast that to [as Costa called him], the "skinny clown" Israel Adesanya, who at 6'4", probably competes closer to his weigh-in weight of 185-lb.

Even if Adesanya was 6'4" and 200-lb, that's a far cry from 6'1" and 215-lb...and Costa was likely the leaner one of the two [and, ironically, the cleaner one, as Adesanya had gyno].

It's possible that Jon Jones would have the same advantage, taking out Ngannou's legs with stinging leg kicks from bony legs.

But it's hard to say.

I don't think Jon Jones should be putting on weight just for the sake of doing it, at this stage in the game. I think he should come in at a normal big weight/size for him, but not to go overboard. Jones beat Cormier rather easily, and Cormier beat Miocic faster than Ngannou beat Miocic, and Miocic needed the experience with Miocic in their first fight in order to formulate a winning gameplan to beat him the second time out.

It would seem to me that "on paper", Jones could beat Ngannou, but that Jones would have to take it seriously, and devise a proper gameplan. That's how Ngannou beat Miocic the second time, and I don't think anyone should fight Ngannou thinking they will beat him without a gameplan.

If Jones has a good gameplan coming in, I think the Ngannou fight is quite winnable.

The only thing I'm not taking into consideration here is miles. Jones does have more miles, due to years of high-level fighting...whereas Ngannou's fights often end with victories without even going to the 2nd round.

That would be the reason I think Ngannou stands a legitimate chance of beating Jones - as Ngannou is more fresh, despite being a year older.

A prime Jones could beat Ngannou, IMO, but I'm not so sure how close the Jones of today is to his prime.

I'm sorry for your loss.

Whores don't equal a prophecy.