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Re: American colleges: Education worth the price?
« Reply #50 on: February 14, 2011, 03:53:39 PM »
Exactly.  There should not be a profit motive in college which is why I wish their were a separation of sports and athletics from education.  Most tuition hikes are a result of an ever growing athletics program.  The highest paid faculty members are the red-faced coaches and their staff. 

You mean those "red-faced coaches" whose teams generate millions that benefit the entire school?  Unlike the vast majority of other departments. 

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Re: American colleges: Education worth the price?
« Reply #51 on: February 14, 2011, 04:03:10 PM »
You mean those "red-faced coaches" whose teams generate millions that benefit the entire school?  Unlike the vast majority of other departments. 

(Insert university here) football brings in how much? (Insert university here) marching band and art department make more for the college, right?

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Re: American colleges: Education worth the price?
« Reply #52 on: February 14, 2011, 04:08:32 PM »
The real question you should be asking is "Why does it cost tens of thousands of dollars worth of education to this?".  That is the real travesty.   And yes, the arts do add value to society.

And the answer is: Because there are enough dumbasses who think a degree in art or 'recreation science' is worth something, and enough parents who are just happy to get their loser kid out of the house for a few years that are willing to pay the price.

Saying that the arts add value to society is a dubious claim. Most 'art' is nothing more than a centerpiece for wanna-be high class snobs to sit around and pretend to be high-class. Music... maybe, but theater, drama, etc majors add nothing.

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Re: American colleges: Education worth the price?
« Reply #53 on: February 14, 2011, 04:16:38 PM »
(Insert university here) football brings in how much? (Insert university here) marching band and art department make more for the college, right?
Uh, did you miss the point where I said there should be ZERO profit margin in higher learning and that it SHOULD NOT be a business?  George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are rolling in their graves at what has become of their dream of an education system. Look it up.

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Re: American colleges: Education worth the price?
« Reply #54 on: February 14, 2011, 04:19:05 PM »
And the answer is: Because there are enough dumbasses who think a degree in art or 'recreation science' is worth something, and enough parents who are just happy to get their loser kid out of the house for a few years that are willing to pay the price.

Saying that the arts add value to society is a dubious claim. Most 'art' is nothing more than a centerpiece for wanna-be high class snobs to sit around and pretend to be high-class. Music... maybe, but theater, drama, etc majors add nothing.

I don't think anyone would say that Shakespeare didn't bring value to society... The arts do provide value of course, however, there are limited career options when you choose certain artistic outlets.

Now... Let's be factual... In the past 10 years, tuition at virtually all universities in the United States has DOUBLED.

It costs 100 percent more to go to college today then it did in 2000. That's far beyond inflation or cost of living... There's obviously something dubious going on with the cost of higher education.

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Re: American colleges: Education worth the price?
« Reply #55 on: February 14, 2011, 04:23:48 PM »
Uh, did you miss the point where I said there should be ZERO profit margin in higher learning and that it SHOULD NOT be a business?  George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are rolling in their graves at what has become of their dream of an education system. Look it up.

Yeah I'm sure Jefferson would just hate to see what happened to the University of Virginia.  What a terrible university. 

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Re: American colleges: Education worth the price?
« Reply #56 on: February 14, 2011, 05:12:20 PM »
Yeah I'm sure Jefferson would just hate to see what happened to the University of Virginia.  What a terrible university. 
The modus operandi of the current American college system would certainly enrage him, UVA included. 

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Re: American colleges: Education worth the price?
« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2011, 09:44:03 PM »
Uh, did you miss the point where I said there should be ZERO profit margin in higher learning and that it SHOULD NOT be a business?  George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are rolling in their graves at what has become of their dream of an education system. Look it up.

Yea Adam, I did.

College is nothing more than adult day care for a lot of people these days.

We need to get back to only allowing the quality learners and contributors in.

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Re: American colleges: Education worth the price?
« Reply #58 on: February 15, 2011, 05:22:00 AM »
The world needs ditch diggers too...

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Re: American colleges: Education worth the price?
« Reply #59 on: February 15, 2011, 04:22:01 PM »
The modus operandi of the current American college system would certainly enrage him, UVA included. 

Oh please.  UVA is one of the best institutions of higher learning in the country. 

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Re: American colleges: Education worth the price?
« Reply #60 on: February 16, 2011, 09:43:33 AM »
I can't believe how many people I know get degrees in useless things in college (theater? womens studies? recreation management??) and then cry and moan about not being able to find a job.. .or making $26K/yr after graduating.

College is a business like any other. They are there to make money, and is some fool will pay $65000 for a film degree, of course the ssystem is going to accomidate them.

EXACTLY!!! If you don't get a major in some field that can pay the bills, then that's your problem.

But, one way to mitigate college costs (which is being done more these days) is going to junior college/community college for two years, earning an associate's degree, and then either working for a while or directly transferring to a 4-year college/university.

Plus, too many kids (thanks to our Hollywood/MTV buddies) think college is supposed to be Sodom and Gommorah with books. Your kids' priority isn't to get mindlessly drunk or fornicate until you catch every STDs known to man. To paraphrase my old dorm director, Mr. Kelly (Gibbs Hall), used to say, We got some fine-lookin' women here, some pretty women. But, your momma and daddy sent you here to get that education.

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Re: American colleges: Education worth the price?
« Reply #61 on: February 16, 2011, 09:52:52 AM »
EXACTLY!!! If you don't get a major in some field that can pay the bills, then that's your problem.

But, one way to mitigate college costs (which is being done more these days) is going to junior college/community college for two years, earning an associate's degree, and then either working for a while or directly transferring to a 4-year college/university.

Plus, too many kids (thanks to our Hollywood/MTV buddies) think college is supposed to be Sodom and Gommorah with books. Your kids' priority isn't to get mindlessly drunk or fornicate until you catch every STDs known to man. To paraphrase my old dorm director, Mr. Kelly (Gibbs Hall), used to say, We got some fine-lookin' women here, some pretty women. But, your momma and daddy sent you here to get that education.
What happened to your Science "education"?  Did your teacher fall asleep?  ???

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Re: American colleges: Education worth the price?
« Reply #62 on: February 16, 2011, 03:14:20 PM »
What happened to your Science "education"?  Did your teacher fall asleep?  ???

Nothing happened to it. It's working just fine, has kept me gainfully employed, and allowed me to provide for my wife and kids.

And none of my teachers fell asleep: not the Physics teacher or the Physics lab teacher, nor the Mechanics of Materials teacher, not the E-Math teachers, nor the Material Science and Engineering teachers, nor the Chemistry teacher nor the Chemistry lab teacher.

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Re: American colleges: Education worth the price?
« Reply #63 on: February 16, 2011, 06:56:41 PM »
Going Against the Grain, College Will Cut Tuition
By TAMAR LEWIN

For those who wonder how college tuition costs manage to keep rising year after year, apparently defying laws of economic gravity, Sewanee, a liberal arts college in Tennessee, has an answer: they can’t.

On Wednesday, Sewanee announced that it will cut its $46,000 annual bill for students by 10 percent in the fall.

The college, formally Sewanee: The University of the South, is betting that the drop in tuition — which at this point it can afford — will help it compete on two fronts: with the public universities that are siphoning off a growing share of the students it accepts, and with other private colleges where tuition is likely to increase by 4 to 5 percent this year, as it has for the last two years.

“The university has made a bold and perhaps risky move,” said John M. McCardell Jr., who became vice chancellor of Sewanee a year ago. “But given the realities of higher education in the current economy, we believe that some college or university needed to step up and say, ‘Enough.’ ”

Sewanee’s move has not been tried by any other institution in the top tier of U.S. News and World Report’s liberal-arts college rankings. And according to the National Association of Independent Colleges and Universities, no college has reduced its tuition this year, and only about a dozen colleges have frozen it.

“Sewanee’s stepping up and out of the box, and it will create some reverberating effects,” said David L. Warren, president of the association. It is a sign of the times — a move prompted not only by the recession, but also by the degree to which small private colleges now compete with large public universities, whose tuition has been rising quickly because money from strapped state governments is declining.

Increasingly, Mr. Warren said, private colleges are competing with the flagship universities in their region. California Lutheran University allows incoming students who have been admitted to some University of California campuses to enroll for the same price they would pay at the public university. Other colleges seek to entice desirable candidates by offering them a similar deal.

Something of that sort was on Mr. McCardell’s mind as well. In the past two years, in head-to-head competitions for students, Sewanee lost 46 to the University of Georgia, 39 to the University of Tennessee, 37 to the University of Virginia and 28 to the University of North Carolina.

The new tuition would put Sewanee within striking distance of the out-of-state tuition at Georgia ($27,000 this year, without room and board, and probably substantially more next year).

Mr. McCardell, the former president of Middlebury College in Vermont, emphasizes that Sewanee is by no means in dire straits, and the pressures and challenges it faces are much the same as those that many — probably most — other small liberal arts colleges are encountering.

Like most, Sewanee has a declining number of students paying full tuition, and a rising number who pay a discounted rate. Nearly 3 out of every 4 students received some financial aid, including loans. The applicant pool is growing, as students submit applications to more colleges — but the percentage of admitted students who choose to enroll at Sewanee is shrinking, and, at just under 24 percent, is at its lowest level of the past decade.

“The trends are discouraging, and what we definitely don’t want to do is move, however slowly, in the direction of dying,” Mr. McCardell said.

The price cut at Sewanee will mean that, over the next three years, about $6 million to $8 million less will flow into the college’s coffers. That means Sewanee may have to draw more heavily on its $315 million endowment for a few years.

But Mr. McCardell, in a memo to the board of regents broaching the idea of cutting tuition, suggested that other considerations were paramount.

The memo read, in part: “If we believe this is the right thing to do; if we believe it will benefit the university in significant, even fundamental, ways; if we believe in the quality of our product; if we believe that all we need to do is bring Sewanee to the attention of a wider audience; and if we believe that there is a value, however computed, to boldness and leadership, then we will figure out how to cover the shortfall.”

Sewanee’s approach goes against the grain. Of the 19 colleges that have cut tuition since 1996, most have been little-known institutions with serious problems. More common have been decisions to increase tuition and fees sharply, in search of what is widely known as the Chivas Regal effect — the perception that high price equals high quality.

And that has sometimes been a boon to colleges. After Hendrix College in Arkansas raised its tuition and fees 29 percent in 2004, for example, its freshman class grew by 37 percent.

Mr. McCardell, though, is not sure that would work in the current economic environment.

“When you look at those things, you have to remember that that was then and this is now,” he said.

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Re: American colleges: Education worth the price?
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Re: American colleges: Education worth the price?
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WTF do these fng liberal losers and retards think is going to happen? 

They hope to be struck by lightning and be the next Martin Scorcesi.

The odds of that happening are less than being struck by lightning.