yes I definitely see your point, there is a little bit of excess skin but barely noticeable in my opinion, seems to have done very well with that level of bodyfat to begin with,
And yeah, Mike o tren is about as natural as rich piana 🤣
It's infuriating to me because even some legit supposed bb authorities push this line of thinking wrt O'Hearn, and I'm like, "for what?!" Lol

There are plenty of people who have juiced for like 40 years, which is not to say steroids have no dangers. But I think you can probably mitigate a lot of problems with today's knowledge, just "small" things like being anal about BP control. Try to get close to 120/80 instead of previous guidlines that were 140/90 or something like that