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Re: All Evidence Destroyed
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2023, 03:05:45 PM »
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Re: All Evidence Destroyed
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2023, 04:29:44 PM »
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/05/biden-doj-formally-shut-down-clinton-foundation-investigation/

About fucking time!

Beginning in 2015, multiple investigations were conducted into alleged wrongdoing by the Foundation, including a two-year inquiry initiated by the Trump Justice Department, but through 2019 no evidence of wrongdoing was found. Then an additional 4 years of  costly investigation and still nothing.. this Clinton investigation shut down is long overdue.

This is just another example of Trump failing at something. He and his allies tried to cast the Clinton Foundation as corrupt. But the yearslong investigation sputtered to its conclusion without charges. F.B.I. officials insisted that the department acknowledge in writing that there was no case to bring. The closing documents ended this investigation that top prosecutors had expressed doubts about from the beginning.




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Re: All Evidence Destroyed
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2023, 08:33:06 PM »
“The Justice Department kept open the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s family foundation for nearly all of President Donald J. Trump’s administration, with prosecutors closing the case without charges just days before he left office.” The New York Times reported."

Kind of telling...Maybe they were forced to keep it open to appease Trump?

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Re: All Evidence Destroyed
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2023, 08:40:32 PM »
Gotta love when you cherry pick. I bet you stopped reading where you cut and pasted, didn’t you?

Biden’s corrupt Justice Department shut down their ‘investigation’ into the Clinton Foundation in August 2021, according to FOIA documents obtained by the New York Times.

The FBI then ‘returned’ or destroyed all of the evidence!

“The Justice Department kept open the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s family foundation for nearly all of President Donald J. Trump’s administration, with prosecutors closing the case without charges just days before he left office.” The New York Times reported.

The DOJ investigated the Clinton Foundation’s relationships with foreign donors while Hillary Clinton was the head of the Department of State during Obama’s presidency.

Thanks to Judicial Watch, the American public was made aware of Hillary Clinton’s private email server.

Hillary Clinton conducted official business on a non government server so she could hide her Clinton Foundation pay-to-play while she was head of the Department of State.

According to emails obtained by Judicial Watch, Hillary Clinton gave preferential treatment to Clinton Foundation donors while she was Secretary of State.

In fact Judge Royce Lamberth previously said Clinton’s use of a private emails was “one of the gravest modern offenses to government transparency.”

However, Joe Biden’s Justice Department formally shut down the Clinton Foundation investigation in August of 2021 after the FBI suddenly dropped their probes.

“In August 2021, the F.B.I. received what is known as a declination memo from prosecutors and as a result considered the matter closed.” the New York Times reported.

And all the evidence is forever destroyed!

The Times reported: “All of the evidence obtained during the course of this investigation has been returned or otherwise destroyed,” according to the FBI.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/05/biden-doj-formally-shut-down-clinton-foundation-investigation/


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Re: All Evidence Destroyed
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2023, 08:53:24 PM »
Gotta love you cherry pick. I bet you stopped reading where you cut and pasted, didn’t you?

Biden’s corrupt Justice Department shut down their ‘investigation’ into the Clinton Foundation in August 2021, according to FOIA documents obtained by the New York Times.

The FBI then ‘returned’ or destroyed all of the evidence!

“The Justice Department kept open the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s family foundation for nearly all of President Donald J. Trump’s administration, with prosecutors closing the case without charges just days before he left office.” The New York Times reported.

The DOJ investigated the Clinton Foundation’s relationships with foreign donors while Hillary Clinton was the head of the Department of State during Obama’s presidency.

Thanks to Judicial Watch, the American public was made aware of Hillary Clinton’s private email server.

Hillary Clinton conducted official business on a non government server so she could hide her Clinton Foundation pay-to-play while she was head of the Department of State.

According to emails obtained by Judicial Watch, Hillary Clinton gave preferential treatment to Clinton Foundation donors while she was Secretary of State.

In fact Judge Royce Lamberth previously said Clinton’s use of a private emails was “one of the gravest modern offenses to government transparency.”

However, Joe Biden’s Justice Department formally shut down the Clinton Foundation investigation in August of 2021 after the FBI suddenly dropped their probes.

“In August 2021, the F.B.I. received what is known as a declination memo from prosecutors and as a result considered the matter closed.” the New York Times reported.

And all the evidence is forever destroyed!

The Times reported: “All of the evidence obtained during the course of this investigation has been returned or otherwise destroyed,” according to the FBI.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/05/biden-doj-formally-shut-down-clinton-foundation-investigation/

No, I've actually been  searching  for any credible source that indicates the FBI unlawfully destroyed evidence or even destroyed evidence. I can't find anything outside of far right wing articles that are 3rd hand information and as we know, unreliable. If you would so kindly post a link to the section in the 306 page report that indicates Durham concluded the FBI mishandled evidence I would gladly read it and post an apology. I've downloaded the Durham report and went through the glossary and executive summary which I'm sure you have also , and could not find anything that mentions FBI mishandling evidence. But I'm open to learning. Since I'm familiar with handling evidence, "destroyed" doesn't worry me. "returned" doesn't worry me. As there is protocol for handling evidence. So "mishandling" and "unlawfully" would be important.

I look forward to your response

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Re: All Evidence Destroyed
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2023, 11:00:50 PM »
No, I've actually been  searching  for any credible source that indicates the FBI unlawfully destroyed evidence or even destroyed evidence. I can't find anything outside of far right wing articles that are 3rd hand information and as we know, unreliable. If you would so kindly post a link to the section in the 306 page report that indicates Durham concluded the FBI mishandled evidence I would gladly read it and post an apology. I've downloaded the Durham report and went through the glossary and executive summary which I'm sure you have also , and could not find anything that mentions FBI mishandling evidence. But I'm open to learning. Since I'm familiar with handling evidence, "destroyed" doesn't worry me. "returned" doesn't worry me. As there is protocol for handling evidence. So "mishandling" and "unlawfully" would be important.

I look forward to your response

The “Times” referenced would be The NY Times. They’re hardly far right. The sources are from the NY Times and FBI themselves as mentioned in the article.

The Times reported: “All of the evidence obtained during the course of this investigation has been returned or otherwise destroyed,” according to the FBI.

FOIA is available to the public. I’m also sure you know that Clinton also destroyed evidence as well, right?

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Re: All Evidence Destroyed
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2023, 11:13:48 PM »
No, I've actually been  searching  for any credible source that indicates the FBI unlawfully destroyed evidence or even destroyed evidence. I can't find anything outside of far right wing articles that are 3rd hand information and as we know, unreliable. If you would so kindly post a link to the section in the 306 page report that indicates Durham concluded the FBI mishandled evidence I would gladly read it and post an apology. I've downloaded the Durham report and went through the glossary and executive summary which I'm sure you have also , and could not find anything that mentions FBI mishandling evidence. But I'm open to learning. Since I'm familiar with handling evidence, "destroyed" doesn't worry me. "returned" doesn't worry me. As there is protocol for handling evidence. So "mishandling" and "unlawfully" would be important.

I look forward to your response

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/22/us/politics/fbi-clinton-foundation.html

https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/doj-halted-clinton-foundation-knab/


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Re: All Evidence Destroyed
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2023, 12:33:12 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/22/us/politics/fbi-clinton-foundation.html

https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/doj-halted-clinton-foundation-knab/

Just as I figured. You simply can't so you again post 3rd hand politically biased links. I doubt you read them but there were no links to the Durham report stating the FBI mishandled evidence. Thats ok, you tried your best.

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And one more time.... Evidence handling has protocols. Every police agency in the nation "destroys" evidence at certain times, be it "prosecutions declined" "Statute of limitations expired" etc. Returning the evidence to the original custodian is procedure. So my point is IF the FBI wrongfully handled evidence the Durham report would surely indicate that. It does not. This is an example of when people who really don't know a subject, can be mislead.

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Re: All Evidence Destroyed
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2023, 08:16:39 AM »
Just as I figured. You simply can't so you again post 3rd hand politically biased links. I doubt you read them but there were no links to the Durham report stating the FBI mishandled evidence. Thats ok, you tried your best.

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And one more time.... Evidence handling has protocols. Every police agency in the nation "destroys" evidence at certain times, be it "prosecutions declined" "Statute of limitations expired" etc. Returning the evidence to the original custodian is procedure. So my point is IF the FBI wrongfully handled evidence the Durham report would surely indicate that. It does not. This is an example of when people who really don't know a subject, can be mislead.

I know this will go over your head, as suspected. But the tending politics link used The NY Times sources which was cited by the FBI. I am surprised they The NY Times would even report since few in the MSM will. You seem to think FBI is some legit organization now since the Durham report all but confirmed what’s been suspected damn near since day one.

Also, in reference to this post. I can’t seem find were you might think this was in Durham report. You keep referencing this. You do understand there are other investigations going, right?

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Re: All Evidence Destroyed
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2023, 01:24:22 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/22/us/politics/fbi-clinton-foundation.html

https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/doj-halted-clinton-foundation-knab/

The FBI retains some and not all of their information and files, but this procedure is not arbitrary nor without considerable oversight.

“The FBI Records Retention Plan and Disposition Schedules have been approved by the United States District Court for the District of Columbia and are monitored by knowledgeable representatives of the NARA.” (National Archives and Records Administration)

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Re: All Evidence Destroyed
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2023, 03:28:37 PM »
The FBI retains some and not all of their information and files, but this procedure is not arbitrary nor without considerable oversight.

“The FBI Records Retention Plan and Disposition Schedules have been approved by the United States District Court for the District of Columbia and are monitored by knowledgeable representatives of the NARA.” (National Archives and Records Administration)

What is written as policy and what is actually done are two completely different things. Do you believe the alphabets in DC are corrupt and not an extension of the DNC?


The Times reported: “All of the evidence obtained during the course of this investigation has been returned or otherwise destroyed,” according to the FBI”

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Re: All Evidence Destroyed
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2023, 03:48:03 PM »
What is written as policy and what is actually done are two completely different things. Do you believe the alphabets in DC are corrupt and not an extension of the DNC?


The Times reported: “All of the evidence obtained during the course of this investigation has been returned or otherwise destroyed,” according to the FBI”

I'll try this one last time.

That sentence is meaningless without context. My department destroyed evidence on a regular basis. We incinerated some of it. Crush some, shredded some. Now if YOU read in a newspaper "Austin police department destroyed evidence in _______ case."  You would likely jump to the conclusion something sinister transpired. Maybe, maybe...if I sat down with you and explained that the statute of limitations had run out for that case, or the case was dropped because the prosecutor decided not to prosecute, and it is standard practice to destroy or return evidence no longer needed, you would breath a sigh of relief. Maybe not... But as I said, that sentence in and of itself can be as benign as "The FBI arrested a kidnapper today" Without context it's just saying they dealt with the evidence per procedure. Now it's perfectly rational to assume it is non nefarious in nature. How do we know that? Because the Durham report makes no mention of the FBI inappropriatly mishandling evidence. So thats good news right?

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Re: All Evidence Destroyed
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2023, 05:30:57 PM »
What is written as policy and what is actually done are two completely different things. Do you believe the alphabets in DC are corrupt and not an extension of the DNC?


The Times reported: “All of the evidence obtained during the course of this investigation has been returned or otherwise destroyed,” according to the FBI”

How do you interpret this Times report? 'Justice Dept. Investigated Clinton Foundation Until Trump’s Final Days." Just how many pieces of evidence were returned (to the archives) and how many were destroyed? Is it illegal to destroy evidence from a case that is done and over for going on 4 years. Do we know whether all the evidence destroyed was pertinent and necessary? Did you expect the FBI investigation of the Clinton Foundation to continue into the next century?

seems like you and the Times are making "much ado about nothing."