ND, I am not emotional, I am just adamant. I admit I get frustrated when the truth is so easily seen. You act like if Dorian didn't retire, he would have gone on and dominated. I and many others feel differently. The evidence is in the pics, Ronnie is better. You may claim that a 1993 Dorian is close, but comparing a 1997 one armed Dorian with massive asymmetry to a spot on Ronnie is ludicrous. So what if Ronnie won by only three points in 1998. You don't think Flex got some votes simply because he was the heir apparent. You don't think that a guy who got completely overlooked in 1997 and slowly works his way into the mind's eye did not get votes b/c he wasn't Flex or Levrone or Cormier. Be serious, anybody who saw the show in person or even photos clearly sees that Ronnie blew him away. Mike Matarazzo, a pretty respected bodybuilder some would say, stated that Ronnie ushered in a new era. He predicted in Muscular Development or maybe Ironman that Ronnie would never get beat again. Except for a travesty in 1993 when Gunther was briefly Weider's new boy, Mike was correct. Never has this level of muscularity been seen on the bodybuilding stage. I prefer Haney and admit as much. However, I am not completely delusional and realize that Ronnie is likely surpassed him.