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Is there a silent Revolution happening in the West ?
« on: August 14, 2023, 10:02:25 AM »
Has anyone ever wondered why modern Western societies appear to have an unhealthy fixation on leftist ideologies? Where does such an obsession come from? After all, anyone with a modicum of intellect is quickly able to call out socialism for its obvious flaws as an economic model. One major aspect of this doctrine remains largely ignored, though: socialist ideologies pose a vicious and silent threat to our psycho-social environment, which in turn might leave the door open for a centrally planned economy in the not-so-distant future.

I happen to be familiar with this doctrine, and what I see today in the Western world leaves me with a spooky sense of déjà vu. Indeed, behind the latest woke idiocies that keep making the headlines, the tactics employed are dangerously reminiscent of strategies established in the not-so-distant past, somewhere behind the Iron Curtain.

In terms of ideas and knowledge, leftists and progressive liberals are often seen as illogical and socially inept cretins with zero street smarts and a poor understanding of how the economy works in the real world. These so-called activists are nothing more than the useful idiots of a greater... um... Utopia. Without their knowledge, they contribute to a pernicious agenda that was set in motion many years ago.

Socialism is divided into many schools of thought. The most famous example is probably Marxian socialism. I won't expand too deeply into Marxist ideas, as they quickly tend to turn into intertwined gibberish—a perpetual "work in progress," if you will—especially if you read Karl Marx's books, such as The German Ideology, The Manifesto, Foundations of a Critique of Political Economy, or his magnum opus, Das Kapital (a largely ignored book, by the way).
I will also refrain from commenting on Johann Karl Rodbertus' allegations of plagiarism against him.

To put it simply, Karl Marx (1818–1883) believed that social relations are an emanation of the economic base—material reality determines ideology (Materialism). In other words, productive forces determine social relations. Said relations then develop/evolve and eventually come into contradiction with the original ones, thereby creating frictions. These frictions are usually resolved through cycles of social (r)evolutions.
Under the capitalistic mode of production, this phenomenon manifests itself as a class struggle between the oppressor: the so-called bourgeoisie (owners of the means of production), and the oppressed class of productive workers: the proletariat (those who produce goods and services).

Now, according to Marx, this class struggle must inevitably lead to the final phase of capitalism, setting up the conditions for a proletarian revolution that would culminate in "communism"—i.e., the abolition of private property as a means of production, replaced by cooperative ownership, consequently ending the division of labor, classes, and the state. (I won’t digress into his critique of capitalism; that is not the point of this post.)

One question persists though ; why had it proven so difficult to promote (or bring about) a revolution in Western Europe ?

This question was raised by a prominent Italian Marxist figure, Antonio Gramsci (1891-1937), who emphasized one fundamental Marxian distinction between :
 •An ideological "superstructure" ( art, family, culture, religion, philosophy, law,
 media, politics, science, education. )
•The economic base of a society.




There is a reciprocal relationship between the superstructure (ideology) and the base (economy)—each part maintains and shapes the other. According to Gramsci, this superstructure determines how society as a whole reacts to economic and political changes.
(It is important to note that Marx postulated the exact opposite theory: the economic base shapes the ideological superstructure, and not the other way around.)

Furthermore, Gramsci saw a distinction between coercion and consent. Indeed, no state could rely exclusively on coercion to uphold its position and power. The political consent part of the equation was largely ignored by traditional Marxists, who concentrated exclusively on the economic base.

But how exactly was consent supposed to be brought about in an "oppressive" capitalist system? Gramsci answered the question this way: upper classes do not rule only through economics but by perpetuating a "Cultural Hegemony": ideas, values, norms, and moralities are perpetuated and pushed by the upper classes as normative and supposedly beneficial to the working class, leading the proletariat to simply believe this is how the world works. As a result, the proletariat is held in socially constructed, invisible shackles and doesn't believe in the things it should in order to advance its own class and improve its political and economic position within capitalist societies.
This is why, according to Gramsci, it has proven so difficult to trigger a revolution.

With this statement, he opposed Marx on the inevitability of revolution (scientific socialism). His solution? A passive revolution via the formation of a counter-hegemonic force—a way to undermine and dismantle Western ideas, values, and moralities and replace them with new cultural norms. The oppressed groups would de facto produce their own class of intellectuals and create their own culture, media, rituals, etc.

See where I'm going with that?

Gramsci rejected the subject/object divide. To him, there were no inherent laws of nature shaping human beings and societies, no essential human nature (soul). Everything was determined by history (the past) and shaped by relations and social roles. In other words, nothing is written in stone, and anyone can choose their identity, behavior, values, and decide how nature should work.

In the modern world, one possible way to push counter-hegemony is through the "creation" of a plethora of oppressed minorities. Imagine an army of victimized people aggressively attacking their oppressors (Western societies) by questioning and defying Western ideological and moral pillars.

Sounds familiar? Feminism, f(x) = LGBTQx, toxic masculinity, "We Was Kangz Until Whitey Ruined Everything," gender ideologists, transsexuals, oppressed "minor-attracted" people (cringe), climate change activists, and whatnot.
Basically, an army of degenerates shouting, "We can do what we want and not conform to the oppressive system of a traditional, hardworking, white heterosexual society!" The nuclear family is de facto a prime target for this 'Evil Dead-like' Army of Darkness.

Gramscian movements started gaining traction in the 1950s–1970s. From 1992 to 2007, Joseph Buttigieg (yes, Pete Buttigieg's father) translated and edited the four volumes of Antonio Gramsci's Prison Notebooks in English. He was also a founding member and president of the International Gramsci Society.

I don't know about you, but I feel that a silent revolution aiming to destroy and rebuild the superstructure (our ideologies) via the instantiation of a counter-hegemonic force—which, by the way, represents the consensual part of the Marxist equation—paired with profound economic reforms and increased authoritarianism (the Marxist conception of coercion) nicely sets up the stage for "You will eat ze bugs," "You will own nothing and be happy," paired with invasive digital currencies and allowances.

Sorry for the long-ass post.

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Re: Is there a silent Revolution happening in the West ?
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2023, 11:07:32 AM »
Good thread.

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Re: Is there a silent Revolution happening in the West ?
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2023, 11:18:25 AM »
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Libturdz are braindead...

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Re: Is there a silent Revolution happening in the West ?
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2023, 11:37:20 AM »
Wonderful post. The long march through the institutions. Horkheimer and his ilk were allowed to run amok in the west at places like Columbia University. His framework was adopted by the likes of Eisenhower for denazification policies in Western Germany that then spread through Europe as a whole. The oppressors became Nordic whites. The Hart celler act in 1965 completed their agenda and the decades that followed allowed all the Marxist subversive professors with their ivory towers to point their fingers. The middle classes didn't give a fk because of cheap labour and distance from its effects so they're just as much yo blame for their I'm alright Jack mentality

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Re: Is there a silent Revolution happening in the West ?
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2023, 11:40:18 AM »
Professor Kevin macdonald pointed out that some of the Marxists that fled Europe were so disgusted at how happy everybody was in California they were dismayed at being unable to reshape america into their communist paradise. That it would never work due to how well everybody was even the poor could live comfortably in the economy during the 40s and 50s

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Re: Is there a silent Revolution happening in the West ?
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2023, 12:51:24 PM »
Wonderful post. The long march through the institutions. Horkheimer and his ilk were allowed to run amok in the west at places like Columbia University. His framework was adopted by the likes of Eisenhower for denazification policies in Western Germany that then spread through Europe as a whole. The oppressors became Nordic whites. The Hart celler act in 1965 completed their agenda and the decades that followed allowed all the Marxist subversive professors with their ivory towers to point their fingers. The middle classes didn't give a fk because of cheap labour and distance from its effects so they're just as much yo blame for their I'm alright Jack mentality

Great point.

Columbia University became a center of American Communism in really significant ways. Figures of the Frankfurt school had a profound influence there.

A very large number of communist texts were translated and disseminated from there.

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Re: Is there a silent Revolution happening in the West ?
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2023, 05:40:58 PM »
Interesting read mops

As to speculation as to why it has proven so difficult to promote (or bring about) a revolution in Western Europe my personal belief is the answer is relatively straightforward: capitalism based democratic systems work in providing a decent standard of living for the great majority of people: sure there will be grumbles and flashpoints and economic downturns and intermittent uprisings etc but citizens aren't going to seek large scale revolution in the true sense of the word if they aren't desperate and desperate en masse and for a sustained time without perceived agency

Nevertheless despite its proven efficacy capitalism will always be vulnerable to the promotion of alternative ideologies as it can be kind of ugly at a micro level: selfishness, competitiveness, winners and losers and the like are all built into, and intrinsic to it functioning correctly: and as such when people are presented with a utopian alternate such as socialism it can be very emotionally appealing: especially to younger people and those who haven't experienced the reality of its inherent faults. The other paradoxical issue with capitalism is that by creating wealth it moves a lot of people on the maslow hierarchy and so there is simply more opportunities to be exposed to idealogical flights of fancy given your shelter and nutrition is not a factor

As far as the counter-hegemony goes there is definitely something there: education for eg is a real problem and cannot be unwound quickly. In the US at least there is now a supreme court that can push back on this, but the identity politics tentacles are pretty widespread at this point. One hopes that the common and common-sensed majority will ultimately resist the cancerous spread upon seeing the real life outcomes such as crime and impacts on their own children. Perhaps i am too optimistic i accept that haha



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Re: Is there a silent Revolution happening in the West ?
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2023, 10:21:49 PM »
Interesting read mops

As to speculation as to why it has proven so difficult to promote (or bring about) a revolution in Western Europe my personal belief is the answer is relatively straightforward: capitalism based democratic systems work in providing a decent standard of living for the great majority of people: sure there will be grumbles and flashpoints and economic downturns and intermittent uprisings etc but citizens aren't going to seek large scale revolution in the true sense of the word if they aren't desperate and desperate en masse and for a sustained time without perceived agency

Interestingly, Marx also mentionned this problematic in his book "The Capital."He was a firm critic of the iron law of wages, which states that, overtime, living wages tend to regress to the minimum necessary to sustain the life of the worker.
Marx argued that the increase of competitive wages and absolute living standards were possible so long as labor productivity was increasing faster than the wage.

His main concern was the rate of exploitation of the worker (the laborer produces more value than the equivalent of his or her remuneration - the difference is called "surplus value.")

While workers may indeed be improving their living conditions as a result of capitalist exploitation, he still believed that they should feel scandalized by the growing inequality and rising of the rate of exploitation via the increase of relative surplus value (an increase in the productive power of the workers via technological and organizational innovations.)

Nevertheless despite its proven efficacy capitalism will always be vulnerable to the promotion of alternative ideologies as it can be kind of ugly at a micro level: selfishness, competitiveness, winners and losers and the like are all built into, and intrinsic to it functioning correctly: and as such when people are presented with a utopian alternate such as socialism it can be very emotionally appealing: especially to younger people and those who haven't experienced the reality of its inherent faults. The other paradoxical issue with capitalism is that by creating wealth it moves a lot of people on the maslow hierarchy and so there is simply more opportunities to be exposed to idealogical flights of fancy given your shelter and nutrition is not a factor

You bring a great point with the pyramid of needs. Inevitably, it leaves people with more time on their hands to focus on self-discovery/improvement. This type of behavior can quickly precipitate them down a rabbit hole. No wonder the prevalence of depression is so high in developped countries.

Marx didn't consider capitalism as system that emerged out of pure greed. What forced capitalists to strive towards profits and turn production towards the generation of profit (rather than the satisfaction of needs), was the absolute necessity to reinvest in the latest technologies or risk being undercut and wiped out by other capitalists in a hyper-competitive environment with the increasing role of machinery and technological change.

A quote from Ludwig Von Mises : << Capitalism is essentially a system of mass production for the satisfaction of the needs of the masses. It pours a horn of plenty upon the common man. It has raised the average standard of living to a height never dreamed of in earlier ages. It has made accessible to millions of people enjoyments which a few generations ago were only within the reach of a small élite.>>

However, I'm afraid that the inevitable collapse brought about by endless credit expansion is going to hurt very badly....but I digress....


As far as the counter-hegemony goes there is definitely something there: education for eg is a real problem and cannot be unwound quickly. In the US at least there is now a supreme court that can push back on this, but the identity politics tentacles are pretty widespread at this point. One hopes that the common and common-sensed majority will ultimately resist the cancerous spread upon seeing the real life outcomes such as crime and impacts on their own children. Perhaps i am too optimistic i accept that haha

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Re: Is there a silent Revolution happening in the West ?
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2023, 01:10:36 AM »
According to Marx, this struggle must inevitably lead to the final phase of capitalism, setting up the conditions for a proletarian revolution, which would culminate in "communism", the abolition of private property as a mean of production, and replace by cooperative ownership, consequently ending the division of labor, classes and the State.

Except private property doesn't get abolished. Nor is control of it given to the "proletariat". The billionaire class just takes control of all private property under communism, which very much still exists.


Good summary of what's going on. White people need to understand that they are being attacked like this. Yet masses of them still side with leftist garbage ideologies.

They will "get it" when they get replaced by a diversity hire.

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Re: Is there a silent Revolution happening in the West ?
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2023, 02:03:58 AM »
I don't see capitalism surviving AI, automation and robotics.

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Re: Is there a silent Revolution happening in the West ?
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2023, 11:17:46 AM »
Explain communism  to me like I'm five:

Misha Gorbachev wearing his "Supreme Council of the Soviet Union" badge on his jacket while rocking a bi-metal rolex datejust.








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Re: Is there a silent Revolution happening in the West ?
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2023, 01:15:29 AM »
^ The political class had a different set of rules.