anyone follow the safer use guys? ie. vic black, joe jeffery etc?

[Van_Bilderass]

light heavies at 90 kg need 2-3 grams?

Yeah, I would say they land about there. Say a light heavy vying for a pro card in a legitimately competitive and good class. There are all sorts of "light heavies" but I'm talking about a fat free competitor. Ask around, but that's my impression. If someone here has seen a lot of plans and think different I'd like to hear it. Flex Wheeler said he was taking more than 3 grams in 93 and he was still  "small." Then there will be ones who push it even harder at just 90kg, there will be guys who megadose GH and everything else to get every last bit of effect from tthe drugs, probably overshooting a bit.

A good example.might be Greg Doucette. This is what he claims he took at 8 weeks out going for his pro card.

Test: 700 mg,
EQ: 700 mg,
Masteron: 700 mg,
Tren: 500 mg,
Anavar: 40 ml before hitting hitting the gym and 20 ml later in the day,
Arimidex: 1 ml daily,
Cabergoline: 500 micrograms or 0.5 mg daily

GW501516: 10 mg.

Total: 3020mg


This is a very typical competitive cycle. And Greg has good genetics but isn't very big.

[dj181]

Yeah, I would say they land about there. Say a light heavy vying for a pro card in a legitimately competitive and good class. There are all sorts of "light heavies" but I'm talking about a fat free competitor. Ask around, but that's my impression. If someone here has seen a lot of plans and think different I'd like to hear it. Flex Wheeler said he was taking more than 3 grams in 93 and he was still  "small." Then there will be ones who push it even harder at just 90kg, there will be guys who megadose GH and everything else to get every last bit of effect from tthe drugs, probably overshooting a bit.

A good example.might be Greg Doucette. This is what he claims he took at 8 weeks out going for his pro card.

Test: 700 mg,
EQ: 700 mg,
Masteron: 700 mg,
Tren: 500 mg,
Anavar: 40 ml before hitting hitting the gym and 20 ml later in the day,
Arimidex: 1 ml daily,
Cabergoline: 500 micrograms or 0.5 mg daily

GW501516: 10 mg.

Total: 3020mg


This is a very typical competitive cycle. And Greg has good genetics but isn't very big.

i always thought i could do lots of damage as a light heavy but i'll just never ever train my legs to do this so...

my total mgs are 500 genrally and i'm a lean dry 5% and weigh bit 73 kg, i think my max weight is 80 kg without leg work i think i can hit this on 500 mgs total

i need to get more gear and i'll get sust maybe with ACE again or sust with var, lately i'll only been running 2 compounds but i think i could maybe run 4 max

the only compounds i'll use are

test
var
drol
dbol
ACE
deca/npp

all the others suck ass pour moi

never ran primo but i bet i'll repsond to it just like i do to winny and mast so... fuck dat shit

[Van_Bilderass]

i always thought i could do lots of damage as a light heavy but i'll just never ever train my legs to do this so...

my total mgs are 500 genrally and i'm a lean dry 5% and weigh bit 73 kg, i think my max weight is 80 kg without leg work i think i can hit this on 500 mgs total

i need to get more gear and i'll get sust maybe with ACE again or sust with var, lately i'll only been running 2 compounds but i think i could maybe run 4 max

the only compounds i'll use are

test
var
drol
dbol
ACE
deca/npp

all the others suck ass pour moi

never ran primo but i bet i'll repsond to it just like i do to winny and mast so... fuck dat shit

Theoretically if you were to compete as a light heavy and legitimately fill out that class you would obviously have to raise the doses and even then it would be hard as hell. The specific  steroids are less important than taking enough of whatever it is you're taking in a progressive manner. There are top competitors who don't touch many steroids other than test in the off season. Like taking 3-4 grams of test and 200mg of Deca "for the joints." You would also have needed 300 grams of protein for years on end 

[dj181]

Theoretically if you were to compete as a light heavy and legitimately fill out that class you would obviously have to raise the doses and even then it would be hard as hell. The specific  steroids are less important than taking enough of whatever it is you're taking in a progressive manner. There are top competitors who don't touch many steroids other than test in the off season. Like taking 3-4 grams of test and 200mg of Deca "for the joints." You would also have needed 300 grams of protein for years on end 

so you buy the theory that you should take so many grams of gear per kilo correct?

if yes what is this magic number?

i've ate over 200 grams of pro made no fucking differnce vs 100 grams NONE ZERO NADA ZILLICH SWEET FUCK ALL

mechincal tension and gear are the factors not "diet"

[Rambone]

Imagine being out-angled and dwarfed by your very own trophy. Absolutely brutal!

[dj181]

Imagine being out-angled and dwarfed by your very own trophy. Absolutely brutal!

hahahaha!!!

he acts like being called a manlet doesn't bother him but it sure as shit does bother him greatly

[Van_Bilderass]

so you buy the theory that you should take so many grams of gear per kilo correct?

if yes what is this magic number?

i've ate over 200 grams of pro made no fucking differnce vs 100 grams NONE ZERO NADA ZILLICH SWEET FUCK ALL

mechincal tension and gear are the factors not "diet"

If you don't have the genetics you may not get anything out of more protein or more gear. Doesn't change the fact that every single large bodybuilder eats a lot of protein and takes a lot of gear. There are no exeptions.

I don't know if a exact "mg per kilo" chart is needed, as there will be some individual variability still but it's also true that a Nasser or Ruhl or Coleman will be taking more than a bantamweight bodybuilder.

In the end good bodybuilders have steadily increased their doses over time as they grow and experiment. But there are a lot of bodybuilders who have settled at say 90kg with little gains over their career. These don't have to increase doses or nutrition. They may say you don't need X amount of gear or protein, look at me, I'm a pro. But then you consider they maybe didn't gain anything through their careers, so what do they really know.

[dj181]

If you don't have the genetics you may not get anything out of more protein or more gear. Doesn't change the fact that every single large bodybuilder eats a lot of protein and takes a lot of gear. There are no exeptions.

I don't know if a exact "mg per kilo" chart is needed, as there will be some individual variability still but it's also true that a Nasser or Ruhl or Coleman will be taking more than a bantamweight bodybuilder.

In the end good bodybuilders have steadily increased their doses over time as they grow and experiment. But there are a lot of bodybuilders who have settled at say 90kg with little gains over their career. These don't have to increase doses or nutrition. They may say you don't need X amount of gear or protein, look at me, I'm a pro. But then you consider they maybe didn't gain anything through their careers, so what do they really know.

ive found that everything has a sweet spot and after this gains are much less and if you go too far past they become toxic

strangely enough this sweet spot seems to be 150-250 mgs per week for everything

i generally run 250 sust and 140 whatever else, lately it was dbol then ACE, i might try 3 this time

sust 250
dbol 140
var 140

or

sust 250
npp 140
var 140

most compounds i would take at once would be 4

that swiss dude had his guys on low pro and they look pretty god damn good

[Van_Bilderass]

ive found that everything has a sweet spot and after this gains are much less and if you go too far past they become toxic

strangely enough this sweet spot seems to be 150-250 mgs per week for everything

i generally run 250 sust and 140 whatever else, lately it was dbol then ACE, i might try 3 this time

sust 250
dbol 140
var 140

or

sust 250
npp 140
var 140

most compounds i would take at once would be 4

that swiss dude had his guys on low pro and they look pretty god damn good

How about taking very low doses of a dozen different steroids, that way you hit ALL the receptors? I've tried that. How many different steroids at once is reasonable though? Many competitors do 4 at a time. But would 2 or 3 be enough or might even more give even more specific adaptations? Everyone wants all the possible benefits in competitions so lose their minds with too many different things close to the show.

[balzac]

that swiss dude had his guys on low pro and they look pretty god damn good

patrick tuor ?

[wes]

Imagine being out-angled and dwarfed by your very own trophy. Absolutely brutal!

[dj181]

patrick tuor ?

oui

[dj181]

How about taking very low doses of a dozen different steroids, that way you hit ALL the receptors? I've tried that. How many different steroids at once is reasonable though? Many competitors do 4 at a time. But would 2 or 3 be enough or might even more give even more specific adaptations? Everyone wants all the possible benefits in competitions so lose their minds with too many different things close to the show.

only 6 compounds work for me and 3 are orals would rather not take 3 orals at at time especially since i hammer alcohol bout 3 times a month and by hammer i meam 4 or 5 jack and cokes and few shots of tequilla with a beer or two

i've decided on this

250 sust
140 ACE
140 var

log 3 times a day twice a week

and 4 meals daily with 30-50 grams of pro per meal, at least 2 of those meals will be 50 grams most likely 3, breakkie is always just 1 liter of milk ie. 33 grams

all meals will have fat cept when i'm under the influnece of slin

thinking bout adding in ampethimines but i'm already pretty riled up just on red bull if i took those holy shit!!!

i will be pressing bodywieght behind the neck for reps real quick like and i'm talking full fucking range reps none of this lowering to th ears only fuck that pussy shit!!!

i'll hit them within the hour and this fucking bass will be a blasting and ill go batshit crazy

yeah maybe i don't need amps hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JustPlaneJane]

i always thought i could do lots of damage as a light heavy…

Do you not own a mirror ?

This isn’t a lack of self-awareness, this is a complete detachment from reality.

[Van_Bilderass]

only 6 compounds work for me and 3 are orals would rather not take 3 orals at at time especially since i hammer alcohol bout 3 times a month and by hammer i meam 4 or 5 jack and cokes and few shots of tequilla with a beer or two

i've decided on this

250 sust
140 ACE
140 var

log 3 times a day twice a week

and 4 meals daily with 30-50 grams of pro per meal, at least 2 of those meals will be 50 grams most likely 3, breakkie is always just 1 liter of milk ie. 33 grams

all meals will have fat cept when i'm under the influnece of slin

thinking bout adding in ampethimines but i'm already pretty riled up just on red bull if i took those holy shit!!!

i will be pressing bodywieght behind the neck for reps real quick like and i'm talking full fucking range reps none of this lowering to th ears only fuck that pussy shit!!!

i'll hit them within the hour and this fucking bass will be a blasting and ill go batshit crazy

yeah maybe i don't need amps hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So you're going to increase your protein up to 200 grams anyway? If you're hell bent on muscle growth instead of just cuts you need something like that for sure. And train legs.
I forget, what was low protein to Tuor? Nit sure but I bet it's still high, just not high-high, you know what I mean? Farah had been preaching low protein, then you see a meal plan for some pro and it's like at least 300 grams plus. When compared to another heavy weight at 450 grams it may be "low" but it's still fucking high.

Here's a question for those who say pros eat too much protein, an unnecessary amount. Some of you know who Roman Fritz is. If he is maintaining bodyweight he's at maintenance calories yeah? Does everyone agree?

So he eats:

1000 grams of carbs (increasing to 1500 grams at peak off-season)
500 grams of protein
Low fat I think below 100 grams

You may think bodybuilding at that level is stupid but just as a thought experiment how would you restructure his macros for him to possibly gain even more lean tissue? Lower protein to 50 to 100 grams and increase fats? Increase carbs, which are already at an astrononomical level? Remember this is a guy who is very large with extremely low bodyfat. I know not many here bother to discuss bodybuilding but there are many who have competed and many who live the lifestyle and I would be curious of their opinions.
Like I said, all the largest bodybuilders have eaten a ton of protein, Nasser said he morphed with the insulin along with up to 600 grams of protein after Milos told him to increase it, though Milos suggested a bit less. Coleman ate a ton of protein, Chad recommends like 12oz of meat every meal. I'm sure Ruhl was up there,, wouldn't be surprised if he ate even more than Nasser etc. Some of these types of guys have gone up to almost a kilo of protein a day. Cutler still eats like 100 grams just for breakfast (I might be mistaken but I'm sure it's up there). Kovacs as disgusting as he was was a very large person, astronomical protein. I have to say I don't think it's a coincidence these guys ate so much protein.

I always wanted to try eating 400 grams for an extended period to see what it did for me but I just couldn't do it. It's not certain I would have gained a lot of muscle but I'm positive it wouldn't have hurt my lean body mass.

[dj181]

So you're going to increase your protein up to 200 grams anyway? If you're hell bent on muscle growth instead of just cuts you need something like that for sure. And train legs.
I forget, what was low protein to Tuor? Nit sure but I bet it's still high, just not high-high, you know what I mean? Farah had been preaching low protein, then you see a meal plan for some pro and it's like at least 300 grams plus. When compared to another heavy weight at 450 grams it may be "low" but it's still fucking high.

Here's a question for those who say pros eat too much protein, an unnecessary amount. Some of you know who Roman Fritz is. If he is maintaining bodyweight he's at maintenance calories yeah? Does everyone agree?

So he eats:

1000 grams of carbs (increasing to 1500 grams at peak off-season)
500 grams of protein
Low fat I think below 100 grams

You may think bodybuilding at that level is stupid but just as a thought experiment how would you restructure his macros for him to possibly gain even more lean tissue? Lower protein to 50 to 100 grams and increase fats? Increase carbs, which are already at an astrononomical level? Remember this is a guy who is very large with extremely low bodyfat. I know not many here bother to discuss bodybuilding but there are many who have competed and many who live the lifestyle and I would be curious of their opinions.
Like I said, all the largest bodybuilders have eaten a ton of protein, Nasser said he morphed with the insulin along with up to 600 grams of protein after Milos told him to increase it, though Milos suggested a bit less. Coleman ate a ton of protein, Chad recommends like 12oz of meat every meal. I'm sure Ruhl was up there,, wouldn't be surprised if he ate even more than Nasser etc. Some of these types of guys have gone up to almost a kilo of protein a day. Cutler still eats like 100 grams just for breakfast (I might be mistaken but I'm sure it's up there). Kovacs as disgusting as he was was a very large person, astronomical protein. I have to say I don't think it's a coincidence these guys ate so much protein.

I always wanted to try eating 400 grams for an extended period to see what it did for me but I just couldn't do it. It's not certain I would have gained a lot of muscle but I'm positive it wouldn't have hurt my lean body mass.

tuor had one of his fellas on 180 grams of pro this dude was 250+ with ultra high carbs and low fat, he pushes huge carb intake

i don't mind pro so i can eat more no worries

milos says 2 grams per pound which is insane, most guys say 1.25 to 1.5 like the fellas on think big bodybuilding

can't train legs for another 3-4 weeks due to the abcess removal but this dude at the gym razzed me again bout it

[IroNat]

You should train your legs so you don't look like this...

[visualizeperfection]

You should train your legs so you don't look like this...

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