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Turns out it was worse than imagine - if true
« on: December 23, 2024, 07:11:59 AM »
So that is why he bailed out of Congress so quickly.  Most people tapped for cabinet positions sort of keep their seats until confirmed.  Matt quit in hours.  And when it became clear he wasn't going to get enough votes, he bailed on Congress all together. 

If true, you can imagine that McCarthy is looking at this as the best Christmas gift he ever received.  You know he will hold that grudge over having his Speakership yanked forever.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-house-report-finds-matt-132502471.html

The U.S. House Ethics Committee has found that former Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz paid tens of thousands of dollars to women for drugs and sex, including with a 17-year-old girl, U.S. media reported on Monday, citing a final draft of the panel's report.

Gaetz, who has denied wrongdoing, resigned from the House of Representatives last month after he was selected by President-elect Donald Trump to be attorney general. He withdrew from consideration in the face of an uphill confirmation battle in the Senate.

In an bid to prevent the report's release, expected on Monday, Gaetz filed a lawsuit against the Ethics panel saying damage to his reputation and professional standing would be "severe and irreversible."

Reuters was not immediately able to reach Gaetz for comment.

The report found that Gaetz paid more than $90,000 to 12 different women, payments the Ethics panel determined were likely in connection with sexual activity and drug use, CBS News reported. CNN reported similar details of the draft report. Both outlets said his actions violated Florida state laws.

The Ethics panel received testimony that Gaetz had sex twice with a 17-year-old girl, described in the report as "Victim A," at a party in 2017, CBS reported.


"Victim A recalled receiving $400 in cash from Representative Gaetz that evening, which she understood to be payment for sex," CBS quoted the report as saying. "Victim A said that she did not inform Representative Gaetz that she was under 18 at the time, nor did he ask her age."

Gaetz was the subject of a three-year FBI investigation into allegations of sex trafficking that produced no criminal charges.

The Ethics panel said there was not sufficient evidence that the three-term congressman violated the federal sex trafficking statute, CBS reported.

All of the women who testified said the sexual encounters with Gaetz were consensual, according to CBS.

However, one woman told the committee that the use of drugs at the parties and events they attended may have "impair[ed their] ability to really know what was going on or fully consent."

Another woman told the committee: "When I look back on certain moments, I feel violated."

Gaetz argued in his lawsuit filed on Monday in federal court in Washington, DC, that the panel had violated his constitutional rights to due process under the law "through the threatened release of an investigative report containing potentially defamatory allegations."

The panel's report found that Gaetz violated House rules and other standards of conduct banning prostitution, statutory rape and drug use, CBS reported.

It also found "substantial evidence" Gaetz engaged in illicit drug use, CBS reported. It accused him of accepting gifts of luxury travel in excess of permissible limits with a 2018 trip to The Bahamas, CBS added.

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Re: Turns out it was worse than imagine - if true
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2024, 10:13:35 AM »
How is it worse?  It's all the same stuff that was already reported.

Yes the optics suck, Gaetz is scummy, but we've been told that drug use is not the fault of the user, especially if it's crack.


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Gaetz was the subject of a three-year FBI investigation into allegations of sex trafficking that produced no criminal charges.

The Ethics panel said there was not sufficient evidence that the three-term congressman violated the federal sex trafficking statute, CBS reported.

All of the women who testified said the sexual encounters with Gaetz were consensual, according to CBS.
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Re: Turns out it was worse than imagine - if true
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2024, 10:43:47 AM »
Gaetz and Hunter should team  up for drugs and kid-sniffing.
Two retarded queer Peedz...

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Re: Turns out it was worse than imagine - if true
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2024, 02:03:12 PM »
How is it worse?  It's all the same stuff that was already reported.

Yes the optics suck, Gaetz is scummy, but we've been told that drug use is not the fault of the user, especially if it's crack.

Anytime an allegation becomes a fact, it is always worse.  Still, $7,500 for some pussy isn't a good deal.

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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2024, 03:08:27 PM »
Anytime an allegation becomes a fact, it is always worse.  Still, $7,500 for some pussy isn't a good deal.


Doesn’t say it was only once per chick. I’d assume he was paying high dollar escorts for cleanliness and discretion. Fucking bitches ratted on him anyway. This dude sounds like he knows how to party.

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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2024, 04:16:06 PM »

Doesn’t say it was only once per chick. I’d assume he was paying high dollar escorts for cleanliness and discretion. Fucking bitches ratted on him anyway. This dude sounds like he knows how to party.

And botox.  He is good at that too.
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2024, 04:29:48 PM »
How is it worse?  It's all the same stuff that was already reported.

Yes the optics suck, Gaetz is scummy, but we've been told that drug use is not the fault of the user, especially if it's crack.

Gaetz is a 'scummy' character. My guess is he knew this was going to come out which is why he decided to politically ‘lay low’ for a while. I also believe Trump cut him loose, thus allowing him to back out of the nomination gracefully.

From what I've read, a criminal case could still be brought against him for breaking state laws. However, a key element in his defense is that the woman who was a minor admitted Gaetz didn't know this when they had sexual relations. I doubt the Feds would reopen their investigation, if this were possible.

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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2024, 04:43:26 PM »
Obviously it was bad enough to make him bail on his entire career when it became apparent that it was going to be shared with everyone. 

It's easy to deny things and say you are innocent prior to proof being revealed.

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Re: Turns out it was worse than imagine - if true
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2024, 04:37:39 AM »
Bill can join them...


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Re: Turns out it was worse than imagine - if true
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2024, 09:40:27 AM »
So that is why he bailed out of Congress so quickly.  Most people tapped for cabinet positions sort of keep their seats until confirmed.  Matt quit in hours.  And when it became clear he wasn't going to get enough votes, he bailed on Congress all together. 

If true, you can imagine that McCarthy is looking at this as the best Christmas gift he ever received.  You know he will hold that grudge over having his Speakership yanked forever.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-house-report-finds-matt-132502471.html

The U.S. House Ethics Committee has found that former Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz paid tens of thousands of dollars to women for drugs and sex, including with a 17-year-old girl, U.S. media reported on Monday, citing a final draft of the panel's report.

Gaetz, who has denied wrongdoing, resigned from the House of Representatives last month after he was selected by President-elect Donald Trump to be attorney general. He withdrew from consideration in the face of an uphill confirmation battle in the Senate.

In an bid to prevent the report's release, expected on Monday, Gaetz filed a lawsuit against the Ethics panel saying damage to his reputation and professional standing would be "severe and irreversible."

Reuters was not immediately able to reach Gaetz for comment.

The report found that Gaetz paid more than $90,000 to 12 different women, payments the Ethics panel determined were likely in connection with sexual activity and drug use, CBS News reported. CNN reported similar details of the draft report. Both outlets said his actions violated Florida state laws.

The Ethics panel received testimony that Gaetz had sex twice with a 17-year-old girl, described in the report as "Victim A," at a party in 2017, CBS reported.


"Victim A recalled receiving $400 in cash from Representative Gaetz that evening, which she understood to be payment for sex," CBS quoted the report as saying. "Victim A said that she did not inform Representative Gaetz that she was under 18 at the time, nor did he ask her age."

Gaetz was the subject of a three-year FBI investigation into allegations of sex trafficking that produced no criminal charges.

The Ethics panel said there was not sufficient evidence that the three-term congressman violated the federal sex trafficking statute, CBS reported.

All of the women who testified said the sexual encounters with Gaetz were consensual, according to CBS.

However, one woman told the committee that the use of drugs at the parties and events they attended may have "impair[ed their] ability to really know what was going on or fully consent."

Another woman told the committee: "When I look back on certain moments, I feel violated."

Gaetz argued in his lawsuit filed on Monday in federal court in Washington, DC, that the panel had violated his constitutional rights to due process under the law "through the threatened release of an investigative report containing potentially defamatory allegations."

The panel's report found that Gaetz violated House rules and other standards of conduct banning prostitution, statutory rape and drug use, CBS reported.

It also found "substantial evidence" Gaetz engaged in illicit drug use, CBS reported. It accused him of accepting gifts of luxury travel in excess of permissible limits with a 2018 trip to The Bahamas, CBS added.

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If a Biden appointed AG/DOJ actually found anything don’t you think they would have filed charges? Of course they would have. It’s like they haven’t learned any from November 5

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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2024, 11:27:41 AM »
Yeah, if they had stuff on him, they'd have went after him.

Gaetz proposed single item bills and term limits.

I agree with him on this tremendously.

What has happened recently is odd for sure, but we'll see where it ends up.  Usually when politicians do shady shit they get rewarded (Schiff, etc).
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2024, 12:07:54 PM »
If a Biden appointed AG/DOJ actually found anything don’t you think they would have filed charges? Of course they would have. It’s like they haven’t learned any from November 5

This. He is an insufferable asshole but Biden's DOJ investigated him and did not bring criminal charges.

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« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2024, 03:52:40 PM »
If a Biden appointed AG/DOJ actually found anything don’t you think they would have filed charges? Of course they would have. It’s like they haven’t learned any from November 5
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I never read that they didn't find anything on him.  I read that they decided not to pursue charges.  There is a difference there.

Also, just because something isn't criminal, that doesn't make it unethical.  Hence the reason it is called the House Ethics Committee and not the House Criminal Committee.

Bottom line, he knew his boat was sunk and jumped ship as soon as he saw the torpedo coming.

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« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2024, 07:14:34 AM »
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I never read that they didn't find anything on him.  I read that they decided not to pursue charges.  There is a difference there.

Also, just because something isn't criminal, that doesn't make it unethical.  Hence the reason it is called the House Ethics Committee and not the House Criminal Committee.

Bottom line, he knew his boat was sunk and jumped ship as soon as he saw the torpedo coming.


You think his political career is over?

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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2024, 06:23:56 AM »

You think his political career is over?

Lobbyist, talking head on cable news, pod cast guest... he has those.

But as far as being a member of Congress again, highly doubt it.

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« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2024, 01:22:43 PM »
Lobbyist, talking head on cable news, pod cast guest... he has those.

But as far as being a member of Congress again, highly doubt it.

I agree with you that it is unlikely he will be a member of Congress. I read where some folks on the far right are championing his return to politics, though. Like they say, anything is possible.

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« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2024, 02:44:19 PM »
He's irrelevant for now.

Until he's not.

Who knows?
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« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2024, 03:28:07 PM »
He'd be very successful as a Butt-Head impersonator.