Lifting- over FML

[Griffith]

Ostarine
MK-677
BPC-157 capsules
MSM
Collagen

[Van_Bilderass]

Self admitted, I really don't know all the intricacies on AAS.  From what I have read is that there is new collagen being laid down in response to things like winstrol or anavar, but it is potentially more brittle than normal collagen.

Different steroids are supposed to have different effects on collagen formation, the type and so on. From memory testosterone itself wasn't that great so they recommend only low dose. I think nandrolone and oxandrolone were supposed to be a couple of the good ones. I would think though, if someone is a regular steroid user, being hypogonadal during the whole rehab process is probably not ideal, you'd probably want at least normal test. But that's just a guess, perhaps tendon recovery etc is only minimally influenced by androgens. Do you have any opinion on other natural joint supplements like curcumin? Supposedly in some studies provided equal subjective relief as NSAIDs. I haven't tried it myself, there's so many different supps and only so much money in my case. Curcumin is supposed to be this miracle healer from so many aspects, even theoretically protecting steroid users hearts or whatever.

[Krankenstein]

Different steroids are supposed to have different effects on collagen formation, the type and so on. From memory testosterone itself wasn't that great so they recommend only low dose. I think nandrolone and oxandrolone were supposed to be a couple of the good ones. I would think though, if someone is a regular steroid user, being hypogonadal during the whole rehab process is probably not ideal, you'd probably want at least normal test. But that's just a guess, perhaps tendon recovery etc is only minimally influenced by androgens. Do you have any opinion on other natural joint supplements like curcumin? Supposedly in some studies provided equal subjective relief as NSAIDs. I haven't tried it myself, there's so many different supps and only so much money in my case. Curcumin is supposed to be this miracle healer from so many aspects, even theoretically protecting steroid users hearts or whatever.

https://ergo-log.com/joints.html  (good site for current stuff but sometimes there's some major bias on what supps get recommended)

https://ergo-log.com/turmericarchives.html (info on curcumin here too)

Chondroitin = not worth it overall IMO
Glucosamine and MSM = probably most effective, but the dosages have to be high enough AND there needs to be enough cartilage remaining to produce synovial fluid.

Tumeric is great for inflammation but you need a hefty dose (3000mg+)

As far as Ostarine and MK-677 (from previous poster) - just reading up on that stuff, the sides don't see to be worth it overall.  Plus, most order online and who the fuck knows what you're getting.

I know about Epithalon because there's been some research on it with Alzheimers (family member has it with dimensia) and if I was closer I would no doubt give it to them on a regular basis.  Supposedly there is some mechanism that could benefit tendon healing.
 

[Van_Bilderass]

https://ergo-log.com/joints.html  (good site for current stuff but sometimes there's some major bias on what supps get recommended)

https://ergo-log.com/turmericarchives.html (info on curcumin here too)

Chondroitin = not worth it overall IMO
Glucosamine and MSM = probably most effective, but the dosages have to be high enough AND there needs to be enough cartilage remaining to produce synovial fluid.

Tumeric is great for inflammation but you need a hefty dose (3000mg+)

As far as Ostarine and MK-677 (from previous poster) - just reading up on that stuff, the sides don't see to be worth it overall.  Plus, most order online and who the fuck knows what you're getting.

I know about Epithalon because there's been some research on it with Alzheimers (family member has it with dimensia) and if I was closer I would no doubt give it to them on a regular basis.  Supposedly there is some mechanism that could benefit tendon healing.

You need black pepper extract with the turmeric/curcumin, enhances absorption by a supposed 2000%. Or some other absorption enhancer. Just reading the forums Meriva brand of curcumin seems to have most scientific and positive customer feedback.

MK-677 is extremely effective but the sides can be brutal and outright dangerous. I use it though. Insanely, unbelievably effective as an appetite enhancer, if that is a problem. I don't think anything else comes close.

[MAXX]

https://ergo-log.com/joints.html  (good site for current stuff but sometimes there's some major bias on what supps get recommended)

https://ergo-log.com/turmericarchives.html (info on curcumin here too)

Chondroitin = not worth it overall IMO
Glucosamine and MSM = probably most effective, but the dosages have to be high enough AND there needs to be enough cartilage remaining to produce synovial fluid.

Tumeric is great for inflammation but you need a hefty dose (3000mg+)

As far as Ostarine and MK-677 (from previous poster) - just reading up on that stuff, the sides don't see to be worth it overall.  Plus, most order online and who the fuck knows what you're getting.

I know about Epithalon because there's been some research on it with Alzheimers (family member has it with dimensia) and if I was closer I would no doubt give it to them on a regular basis.  Supposedly there is some mechanism that could benefit tendon healing.

good I bought 1kg each of those. Taking about a tablespoon/day each. If it helps great, if not it wasn't that pricey

[Griffith]

https://ergo-log.com/joints.html  (good site for current stuff but sometimes there's some major bias on what supps get recommended)

https://ergo-log.com/turmericarchives.html (info on curcumin here too)

Chondroitin = not worth it overall IMO
Glucosamine and MSM = probably most effective, but the dosages have to be high enough AND there needs to be enough cartilage remaining to produce synovial fluid.

Tumeric is great for inflammation but you need a hefty dose (3000mg+)

As far as Ostarine and MK-677 (from previous poster) - just reading up on that stuff, the sides don't see to be worth it overall.  Plus, most order online and who the fuck knows what you're getting.

I know about Epithalon because there's been some research on it with Alzheimers (family member has it with dimensia) and if I was closer I would no doubt give it to them on a regular basis.  Supposedly there is some mechanism that could benefit tendon healing.

Never had any issues myself, they helped tremendously for my injuries, especially tendons and also joints such as knees and shoulder.

I think the problem for some is they use too high dosages.

For MK-677, one should start with 10mg's and gradually build up. Also is a great sleep aid and gives a feeling of having a deep sleep when waking up.

With Ostarine, had no negative side effects.

[Humble Narcissist]

Ostarine
MK-677
BPC-157 capsules
MSM
Collagen

Are these all separate or in one supplement?

[Krankenstein]

Never had any issues myself, they helped tremendously for my injuries, especially tendons and also joints such as knees and shoulder.

I think the problem for some is they use too high dosages.

For MK-677, one should start with 10mg's and gradually build up. Also is a great sleep aid and gives a feeling of having a deep sleep when waking up.

With Ostarine, had no negative side effects.

You mean there are lifters that start off at too high of doses?  NO WAY!! 

Seriously though, fair enough on the sides for you.  Maybe I am a bit too conservative in my thinking.  I read up on some of that stuff and thought "no way"

Point still remains on what you're actually getting and where its from.  Wouldn't you agree?

[Krankenstein]

Are these all separate or in one supplement?

Separate

[Van_Bilderass]

Never had any issues myself, they helped tremendously for my injuries, especially tendons and also joints such as knees and shoulder.

I think the problem for some is they use too high dosages.

For MK-677, one should start with 10mg's and gradually build up. Also is a great sleep aid and gives a feeling of having a deep sleep when waking up.

With Ostarine, had no negative side effects.

Yeah that's a good idea. Some have problems with sleep with it presumably because it should release some cortisol too, then one can try mornings. Out of an abundance of caution investing in a glucometer would be a great idea. Just like GH this can cause insulin resistance/high blood sugar, maybe worse. It does raise IGF impressively even if it can't give the high blood GH peaks of injected GH. IMO, if you start having marks on your ankles after you take off your socks you should stop or change dosage. In a combo with roids I could feel water sloshing in my feet as I walked. I have seen a couple of friends gain 4-8lbs after 2 caps. For me the total water gain was perhaps as much as 16-20lbs! which is shed after coming off - anyone can see that that is dangerous. But it can be great, like I said I use it myself, right now 10mg, I have no appetite due to painkillers, lost over 30lbs quickly due to illness. Amazing strength booster in combo with steroids, the extra water gives stability.  It has been trialed in humans, even against alzheimers but researchers say it will never see the commercial market due to the side effect of the huge appetite increase (although imo it could be marketed just for that, I doubt anything available now even comes close in effectiveness).

Ostarine I have no idea because I doubt it can offer much to a steroid user. The SARMs should be viewed as steroids even though they aren't, similar effects and sides. MAXX already uses roids but perhaps Ostarine could be an add on to the TRT if it helps the joints.

[Van_Bilderass]

Are these all separate or in one supplement?

A certain hated poster said BPC "cured" his stomach problems. I would worry that the caps don't contain the ccompound it the right quantity. I would buy third party tested freeze dried product, then reconstitute the "puck" and squirt in empty gel caps just before taking it Probably wouldn't hurt to try, it's in gastric juices naturally anyway.

Krankenstein, with MK you at least know if it's real due to the sides. Can't be sure of any supps, one third party testing company says only Thorne has ever passed all quality controls, but naturally they are very expensive.
So1me of the peptide companies offer third party tested product. Some assurance at least although you could fudge that too. Actually many steroid/gh labs offer this as well now. One lab director says most GH on the market is 96-98% pure and by pharma standards it has to be just 94% pure. The amps are often just unmarked, no labels or whatever, different colored caps is all lol.

[Humble Narcissist]

Separate

How much does that cost?