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« Reply #200 on: April 22, 2025, 04:16:05 AM »
Note that in Protestant Churches there are no statues of Jesus or any other figures, and all crosses are plain.
crosses are in the same boat according to your book

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« Reply #201 on: April 22, 2025, 04:20:13 AM »
Mary and Joseph were humans, as were the countless so-called 'saints' that are prayed to and worshipped in their churches. Jesus, in human form is till considered as God from a Christian perspective.

I've seen Catholics praying to statues of 'Padre Pio', even while he was still alive; that charlatan who claimed stigmata by using acid on his hands.
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« Reply #202 on: April 22, 2025, 04:29:34 AM »
The Catholic sect is a paganised version of Christianity with many of its policies having no basis in terms of the Biblical texts.

They worship and pray to Mary, Joseph and countless saints. That is idol worship, same as pagans.

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« Reply #203 on: April 22, 2025, 04:30:40 AM »
How do Protestants explain over 1300 years of idolatry before the Westminster Confessional, Calvinism?

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« Reply #204 on: April 22, 2025, 04:31:50 AM »
Old Testament, hence why Jesus was murdered.

The New Testament condemns idolatry.

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« Reply #205 on: April 22, 2025, 04:33:17 AM »
The Catholic sect is a paganised version of Christianity with many of it's policies having no basis in terms of the Biblical texts.

They worship and pray to Mary, Joseph and countless saints. That is idol worship, same as pagans.
According to Judaism the trinity is idolatry

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« Reply #206 on: April 22, 2025, 04:39:58 AM »
According to Judaism the trinity is idolatry

They aren't Christian, as the Roman Catholics claim to be.

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« Reply #207 on: April 22, 2025, 04:42:01 AM »
How do Protestants explain over 1300 years of idolatry before the Westminster Confessional, Calvinism?

People were kept under control by the Roman Catholic order and lived under the threat of violence.

Anyone who questioned anything would be killed, tortured or imprisoned.

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« Reply #208 on: April 22, 2025, 07:19:01 AM »
People were kept under control by the Roman Catholic order and lived under the threat of violence.

Anyone who questioned anything would be killed, tortured or imprisoned.
Not very Christian of them.

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« Reply #209 on: April 22, 2025, 08:16:19 AM »
Not very Christian of them.
Also see the Spanish Inquisition, The Crusades etc.... lots of torture and killing in the name of Christ.


All I have to do is ask myself this question: without missionaries to spread the "word" (sometimes by force) there would be many people in history who would have no access and no idea about Jesus Christ and Christianity. That says it all to me. Go back far enough, and all God's and deities, were for the most part, geographically restricted. If you believed in anything, it was most likely what you learned from your family and where you were from.

There is nothing mystical about it, and it's actually quite simple to comprehend, why that alone, debunks all religions.

For the record, I consider myself an agnostic, and I absolutely believe in a higher power/force (whatever) greater than human beings. However, I'm not Narcissistic enough to claim to grasp any of it. Our problem as humans, is that we like to think that we have things figured out. In reality, we know next to nothing.

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« Reply #210 on: April 22, 2025, 08:19:23 AM »
People were kept under control by the Roman Catholic order and lived under the threat of violence.

Anyone who questioned anything would be killed, tortured or imprisoned.

True, but are you also aware of the crimes of the Prodestant Church? Ireland has suffered greatly, the Catholic faith was persecuted, people had to go to say mass in the woods, I might go up to that rock tonight and light a candle.

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« Reply #211 on: April 22, 2025, 08:22:23 AM »
Also see the Spanish Inquisition, The Crusades etc.... lots of torture and killing in the name of Christ.


All I have to do is ask myself this question: without missionaries to spread the "word" (sometimes by force) there would be many people in history who would have no access and no idea about Jesus Christ and Christianity. That says it all to me. Go back far enough, and all God's and deities, were for the most part, geographically restricted. If you believed in anything, it was most likely what you learned from your family and where you were from.

There is nothing mystical about it, and it's actually quite simple to comprehend, why that alone, debunks all religions.

For the record, I consider myself an agnostic, and I absolutely believe in a higher power/force (whatever) greater than human beings. However, I'm not Narcissistic enough to claim to grasp any of it. Our problem as humans, is that we like to think that we have things figured out. In reality, we know next to nothing.

If you believe in a higher power then you are not agnostic. But does your belief in knowing nothing prevent you from exploring the unknown? We should meditate and experience the transcendental realm and oneness with nature and the stars.

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« Reply #212 on: April 22, 2025, 08:36:22 AM »
If you believe in a higher power then you are not agnostic. But does your belief in knowing nothing prevent you from exploring the unknown? We should meditate and experience the transcendental realm and oneness with nature and the stars.

Agnostic: a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

Believing in one, man-made religion over another, is what I am talking about. The reason that there are countless God's and religious practices, means that, it is just mankind's search for hope and relevance in the universe. Whatever "higher" is out there, has not made itself known to us, in an official capacity.

The creator/s so to speak.

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« Reply #213 on: April 22, 2025, 08:48:47 AM »
True, but are you also aware of the crimes of the Prodestant Church? Ireland has suffered greatly, the Catholic faith was persecuted, people had to go to say mass in the woods, I might go up to that rock tonight and light a candle.

Ireland had supported the Royalists in the English Civil War and were hostile to the Commonwealth of England.


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« Reply #214 on: April 22, 2025, 10:05:15 AM »
Agnostic: a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

Believing in one, man-made religion over another, is what I am talking about. The reason that there are countless God's and religious practices, means that, it is just mankind's search for hope and relevance in the universe. Whatever "higher" is out there, has not made itself known to us, in an official capacity.

The creator/s so to speak.

If you definitely believe in a higher power but carry the heavy burden of conclusion that we are completely cut off from it then you are both not agnostic and will live miserably because true fulfillment comes from communion with that source from which all arises.

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« Reply #215 on: April 22, 2025, 10:08:42 AM »
If you definitely believe in a higher power but carry the heavy burden of conclusion that we are completely cut off from it then you are both not agnostic and will live miserably because true fulfillment comes from communion with that source from which all arises.
Not true. I believe in spirituality, not organized religion. I also do not pretend to act like I know about the inner workings  of the universe, mother nature, or whatever it is.....

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« Reply #216 on: April 22, 2025, 10:12:00 AM »
Not true. I believe in spirituality, not organized religion. I also do not pretend to act like I know about the inner workings  of the universe, mother nature, or whatever it is.....

And I am not acting or playing with words, belief should become living experience of divine peace, love, light and freedom which is the nature of the living Being of our being; a meditative and vital life is the way to get yoked.

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« Reply #217 on: April 22, 2025, 10:13:56 AM »
And I am not acting or playing with words, belief should become living experience of divine peace, love, light and freedom which is the nature of the living Being of our being; a meditative and vital life is the way to get yoked.
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« Reply #218 on: April 22, 2025, 10:19:59 AM »
Mushroom-induced Meltdown.

I am not on mushrooms, season here begins late summer but there is nothing more beneficial to mankind under the sun.

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« Reply #219 on: April 22, 2025, 10:30:34 AM »
Ireland had supported the Royalists in the English Civil War and were hostile to the Commonwealth of England.

you must have been in short trousers then
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« Reply #220 on: April 23, 2025, 12:32:02 AM »
Also see the Spanish Inquisition, The Crusades etc.... lots of torture and killing in the name of Christ.


All I have to do is ask myself this question: without missionaries to spread the "word" (sometimes by force) there would be many people in history who would have no access and no idea about Jesus Christ and Christianity. That says it all to me. Go back far enough, and all God's and deities, were for the most part, geographically restricted. If you believed in anything, it was most likely what you learned from your family and where you were from.

There is nothing mystical about it, and it's actually quite simple to comprehend, why that alone, debunks all religions.

For the record, I consider myself an agnostic, and I absolutely believe in a higher power/force (whatever) greater than human beings. However, I'm not Narcissistic enough to claim to grasp any of it. Our problem as humans, is that we like to think that we have things figured out. In reality, we know next to nothing.
All true. Almost all people simply believe what they are taught. Most never go on their own spiritual quest.

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« Reply #221 on: April 23, 2025, 05:04:07 AM »
All true. Almost all people simply believe what they are taught. Most never go on their own spiritual quest.
Protestants are never taught this

Martin Luther expressed strong criticism of the Book of James, calling it an "epistle of straw" and doubting its canonicity. He believed James contradicted Paul's teachings on faith and works, and some interpret this as a misunderstanding of James's message. Despite this, Luther included it in his New Testament translation, though he placed it with the "disputed books".
Here's a more detailed look at Luther's perspective:
"Epistle of Straw":
Luther famously described the Book of James as an "epistle of straw," implying it was not as foundational to Christian faith as other New Testament writings, like Paul's letters.
Contradiction of Paul:
Luther believed James's emphasis on works as evidence of faith contradicted Paul's teaching that salvation comes through faith alone.
Doubts about Canonicity:
Luther questioned whether James was truly written by an apostle and whether it should be considered part of the biblical canon.
Included in Translation:
Despite his criticisms, Luther included the Book of James in his New Testament translation published in 1522.
"Disputed Books":
He grouped James with other books like Hebrews, Jude, and Revelation, which he considered "disputed books" and placed separately at the end of his New Testament.

Martin Luther was critical of both the Book of Esther and the Book of Revelation, but for different reasons. He disliked Esther because he saw it as "too Jewish" and containing "too many heathen unnaturalities". He also questioned Revelation's authority, finding it difficult to understand and not as clear on Christ as other New Testament books.
Luther's Views on the Book of Esther:
Disliked for its "Jewishness":
Luther considered the book to be "too Jewish," meaning it emphasized Jewish tradition and less clearly aligned with Christian theology.
Criticized for "heathen unnaturalities":
He found the book's depiction of pagan rulers and practices to be problematic, suggesting they were not aligned with Christian values.
Linked to antisemitism:
Luther's negative view of Esther was intertwined with his broader antisemitic views, as he associated the book with Jewish practices and desires, according to The University of Chicago Press.
Luther's Views on the Book of Revelation:
Questioned authority:
Luther initially questioned the inspiration and authority of Revelation, viewing it as less important than the Gospels or Pauline letters, according to PBS.
Found it difficult to interpret:
He struggled with Revelation's symbolic language and apocalyptic imagery, finding it unclear and potentially misleading.
Prioritized clarity of Christ:
Luther emphasized the importance of books that clearly presented Christ, and he found Revelation to be less focused on that central message, according to www.universitylutheran.c hurch.
Not included in his initial translations:
In his early translations of the New Testament, Revelation was not given the same level of prominence or authority as other books.