Trust the CDC?

[Dos Equis]

I don't think so.

The Track Record of the CDC
By James D. Agresti
September 2, 2025
https://www.justfactsdaily.com/the-track-record-of-the-cdc

[AbrahamG]

I use to trust them. 

[Grape Ape]

Can I say I want to, but I just cannot.

Covid changed everything.

[Dos Equis]

Can I say I want to, but I just cannot.

Covid changed everything.

Absolutely. 

[jude2]

Can I say I want to, but I just cannot.

Covid changed everything.

Exactly.

[Necrosis]

You can kinda witness how science works here, the evolution of the ideas and the hedging of claims.

Did you read through the links in your article? they don't say what you this guys is claiming. The first CDC article says the principle vector of infection is respiratory droplets from carrying the virus, that is a fact, it still is. The key word is principle, mainly etc.. there may be other routes but they are not proven to be the case (as of 2020 when that article was published).

bro, the mRNA vaccine didnt even work when the first tried it, it caused an immune reaction. So if they gave up (they obviously thought it would work) and said its black and white we wouldn't have these now. They figured out that dispersing it in nanadroplets would evade immune degradation, that required research on polymers, colloidal physics and immunology all coming together.

Science is always possibly wrong even when it works, the point of a science is to falsify, you are always trying to prove things wrong. It doesn't mean people were lying but basing things on the best evidence.

The only way this make sense (your assertion) and they purposely lied is if they are trying to control people and just happened to piggy back off the virus or they are egomaniacs who claim untrue things without regard for the consequences.

Or is there another reason they would outright lie?

[Moontrane]

Absolutely.

Are we the only nation to redefine “vaccine” from something that produces immunity to something that produces protection?

[Coach is Back!]

I stopped trusting the CDC when Little Dick Durbin whined and begged them to remove the 1.67-2 million plus Defensive shootings per year that killed the lefts fake gun crime narrative to push their fake "gun control" narrative. Add in the Chinavirus debacle and I've completely lost trust in anything they put out.

[deadz]

NEVER trust any Govt. Agency!

[funk51]

 

1    I trust it 100 per-cent RFK is an honest and honorable man, he has advanced medical degrees and won't lie to us.

[chaos]

The only way this make sense (your assertion) and they purposely lied is if they are trying to control people and just happened to piggy back off the virus or they are egomaniacs who claim untrue things without regard for the consequences.

Or is there another reason they would outright lie?

You're slowly catching on. Have you heard of this thing called money? Or this other thing governments around the world love, called control?

[Necrosis]

You're slowly catching on. Have you heard of this thing called money? Or this other thing governments around the world love, called control?

I can buy that but everyone everywhere? I recognize money dictates many things, like trump using his recent coin to grift people and do promotions for tesla at the white house. I even buy killing people who have dirt on powerful people etc etc. but the virus is real, the science is there and to believe in what you are insinuating totally I would have to believe those humans are pieces of shit, or the vast majority of humans are. Have you ever met anyone that dedicated their life to a craft, profession? like went to school to study medicine or become a phd in virology, the vast majority are major nerds, money isnt the motive most often.

The truth is some where in the middle and I don;t trust humans more than data.

[Grape Ape]

You can kinda witness how science works here, the evolution of the ideas and the hedging of claims.

Did you read through the links in your article? they don't say what you this guys is claiming. The first CDC article says the principle vector of infection is respiratory droplets from carrying the virus, that is a fact, it still is. The key word is principle, mainly etc.. there may be other routes but they are not proven to be the case (as of 2020 when that article was published).

bro, the mRNA vaccine didnt even work when the first tried it, it caused an immune reaction. So if they gave up (they obviously thought it would work) and said its black and white we wouldn't have these now. They figured out that dispersing it in nanadroplets would evade immune degradation, that required research on polymers, colloidal physics and immunology all coming together.

Science is always possibly wrong even when it works, the point of a science is to falsify, you are always trying to prove things wrong. It doesn't mean people were lying but basing things on the best evidence.

The only way this make sense (your assertion) and they purposely lied is if they are trying to control people and just happened to piggy back off the virus or they are egomaniacs who claim untrue things without regard for the consequences.

Or is there another reason they would outright lie?

If that's what happened, I'd be more understanding.  But opposing voices, and thousands of doctors, were silenced, fired, etc.....dissenting voices we not tolerated.  The science wasn't given a transparent chance to be proven wrong or right.

[chaos]

I can buy that but everyone everywhere? I recognize money dictates many things, like trump using his recent coin to grift people and do promotions for tesla at the white house. I even buy killing people who have dirt on powerful people etc etc. but the virus is real, the science is there and to believe in what you are insinuating totally I would have to believe those humans are pieces of shit, or the vast majority of humans are. Have you ever met anyone that dedicated their life to a craft, profession? like went to school to study medicine or become a phd in virology, the vast majority are major nerds, money isnt the motive most often.

The truth is some where in the middle and I don;t trust humans more than data.

People as a whole are pieces of shit, 100%. As far as the geeks and the money question, it's not about their paycheck, it's about their funding. As smart as they are, they understand that if they are funded by X and X is selling Y, then Y should be the cure for whatever they are being paid to research or maybe their funding gets cut off and goes to someone that will get the findings they desire. I think you underestimate the power of the almighty dollar and it's influence in the medical world.

[Necrosis]

People as a whole are pieces of shit, 100%. As far as the geeks and the money question, it's not about their paycheck, it's about their funding. As smart as they are, they understand that if they are funded by X and X is selling Y, then Y should be the cure for whatever they are being paid to research or maybe their funding gets cut off and goes to someone that will get the findings they desire. I think you underestimate the power of the almighty dollar and it's influence in the medical world.

That is not how science works at all, not in universities nor in labs around the world. to have any actual tech, drug etc it has to be done correctly, you cant just give results they desire (the funding) as it wouldn't work. Most research is done via grants and they put in there applications showing what they are researching, the government does not ask for a particularly outcome.

its not like they can same give us the data that shows ozempic causes weight loss, it actually has to cause weight loss. You can see whats going on with data with statistical analysis,if its faked it obvious.

I think those research glp1ras like ozempic for example found the peptide and realized the potential, they then likely got private investors etc to test the shit and it worked out, the money wont help one bit if the science is shit. There have been other glp1s that have failed, money down the tubes.

It definitely does happen though,lookat gabapentin, they said it works for everything on weak data and docs were prescribing it off label for everything.they then got sued.

[illuminati]

You can kinda witness how science works here, the evolution of the ideas and the hedging of claims.

Did you read through the links in your article? they don't say what you this guys is claiming. The first CDC article says the principle vector of infection is respiratory droplets from carrying the virus, that is a fact, it still is. The key word is principle, mainly etc.. there may be other routes but they are not proven to be the case (as of 2020 when that article was published).

bro, the mRNA vaccine didnt even work when the first tried it, it caused an immune reaction. So if they gave up (they obviously thought it would work) and said its black and white we wouldn't have these now. They figured out that dispersing it in nanadroplets would evade immune degradation, that required research on polymers, colloidal physics and immunology all coming together.

Science is always possibly wrong even when it works, the point of a science is to falsify, you are always trying to prove things wrong. It doesn't mean people were lying but basing things on the best evidence.

The only way this make sense (your assertion) and they purposely lied is if they are trying to control people and just happened to piggy back off the virus or they are egomaniacs who claim untrue things without regard for the consequences.

Or is there another reason they would outright lie?

Glass house & stones - Pronoun boy

"they don't say what you this guys is claiming".

In English pls - I Take it English grammar is not you're speciality.

[chaos]

That is not how science works at all, not in universities nor in labs around the world. to have any actual tech, drug etc it has to be done correctly, you cant just give results they desire (the funding) as it wouldn't work. Most research is done via grants and they put in there applications showing what they are researching, the government does not ask for a particularly outcome.

its not like they can same give us the data that shows ozempic causes weight loss, it actually has to cause weight loss. You can see whats going on with data with statistical analysis,if its faked it obvious.

I think those research glp1ras like ozempic for example found the peptide and realized the potential, they then likely got private investors etc to test the shit and it worked out, the money wont help one bit if the science is shit. There have been other glp1s that have failed, money down the tubes.

It definitely does happen though,lookat gabapentin, they said it works for everything on weak data and docs were prescribing it off label for everything.they then got sued.

OK

[Dos Equis]

You can kinda witness how science works here, the evolution of the ideas and the hedging of claims.

Did you read through the links in your article? they don't say what you this guys is claiming. The first CDC article says the principle vector of infection is respiratory droplets from carrying the virus, that is a fact, it still is. The key word is principle, mainly etc.. there may be other routes but they are not proven to be the case (as of 2020 when that article was published).

bro, the mRNA vaccine didnt even work when the first tried it, it caused an immune reaction. So if they gave up (they obviously thought it would work) and said its black and white we wouldn't have these now. They figured out that dispersing it in nanadroplets would evade immune degradation, that required research on polymers, colloidal physics and immunology all coming together.

Science is always possibly wrong even when it works, the point of a science is to falsify, you are always trying to prove things wrong. It doesn't mean people were lying but basing things on the best evidence.

The only way this make sense (your assertion) and they purposely lied is if they are trying to control people and just happened to piggy back off the virus or they are egomaniacs who claim untrue things without regard for the consequences.

Or is there another reason they would outright lie?

Maybe you should sit this one out.

I agree the thing was potentially handled poorly, I do think that when it comes to public safety certain lies are fine.

[Necrosis]

If that's what happened, I'd be more understanding.  But opposing voices, and thousands of doctors, were silenced, fired, etc.....dissenting voices we not tolerated.  The science wasn't given a transparent chance to be proven wrong or right.

ok but what kind of dissenting voices?

if those folks were saying the vaccines dont work, particularly initially then they should be fired if they were doctors. What they were saying matters. I don't believe the science wasn't transparent, every piece of peer reviewed literature is posted on pubmed, its open source. It;s all there.

The speed was always going to be an issue, use a style of vaccine that hadnt been done for a virus they hadn't seen before and do it on a massive scale as fast as possible while still trying to be safe... pretty impossible to be honest. It was always going to end and there will be another virus like the spanish flu etc..

[Necrosis]

Maybe you should sit this one out.

Stop, the average person is kind dumb, half the population is dumber then that.

I think the public health aspect was handled poorly, they should of let up faster with restrictions. I don't think the vaccination was at all and I don;'t think the severity- at least initially was wrong.

[illuminati]

You can kinda witness how science works here, the evolution of the ideas and the hedging of claims.

Did you read through the links in your article? they don't say what you this guys is claiming. The first CDC article says the principle vector of infection is respiratory droplets from carrying the virus, that is a fact, it still is. The key word is principle, mainly etc.. there may be other routes but they are not proven to be the case (as of 2020 when that article was published).

bro, the mRNA vaccine didnt even work when the first tried it, it caused an immune reaction. So if they gave up (they obviously thought it would work) and said its black and white we wouldn't have these now. They figured out that dispersing it in nanadroplets would evade immune degradation, that required research on polymers, colloidal physics and immunology all coming together.

Science is always possibly wrong even when it works, the point of a science is to falsify, you are always trying to prove things wrong. It doesn't mean people were lying but basing things on the best evidence.

The only way this make sense (your assertion) and they purposely lied is if they are trying to control people and just happened to piggy back off the virus or they are egomaniacs who claim untrue things without regard for the consequences.

Or is there another reason they would outright lie?

 

Glass house & stones - Pronoun boy

"they don't say what you this guys is claiming".

In English pls - I Take it English grammar is not you're speciality.