The only case of evidence for calf training actually working is Arnold

[obsidian]

I wouldn't say you get better anything with standing vs donkey. It's essentially the same exercise, the donkey has the advantage of not loading the spine the same way, which is a consideration in programming. As someone said it might be easier to keep legs straight on the donkeys biasing the gastrocs more. That said, I enjoyed the standing again the last few workouts but I don't expect it will really add any extra size. You do know there are donkey machines now? You tried them?

Calf machines wouldn't be the first machines I would buy for a home gym either.

Toe presses on a leg press machine are similar to donkey raises. In my 20s I did donkey raises like Arnold, with a training partner on the back. So gay. It did burn my calves though. I haven't trained calves in more than a year, but when I start again I'll stick to the leg press and standing calf machine.

[Van_Bilderass]

Toe presses on a leg press machine are similar to donkey raises. In my 20s I did donkey raises like Arnold, with a training partner on the back. So gay. It did burn my calves though. I haven't trained calves in more than a year, but when I start again I'll stick to the leg press and standing calf machine.

Toe presses on the leg press are sort of a lazy option to me. Hopefully someone left a stack of plates on it so you don't even have to load it up, then you sneak off, "I didn't load it up, why should I unrack the plates?" I think I'll just go to a bare minimum, which might be the best option LOL, of just doing 2 hard sets for calves, that's it. I like the seated calf machine for just as a therapeutic stretching device, just sitting there stretching for a while

2nd exercise here, before starting with your routine

https://www.instagram.com/p/DOOWcNbDaK6/

[unwieldy]

I did single leg bodyweight calf raises at home yesterday on a wooden board. I feel it today. Cant wait for the gains

[joswift]

always start leg workouts with calfs
Training the calfs first helps all the other muscles in the quads hams and glutes to start firing

Same way you should do grip excercises before arms and upper body

[unwieldy]

always start leg workouts with calfs
Training the calfs first helps all the other muscles in the quads hams and glutes to start firing

Same way you should do grip excercises before arms and upper body

For now I am only going to train calves, nothing else until they improve. And if they don't, which they very well may never, then I don't even want to have big arms and such. Without calves it is all meaningless.

[Humble Narcissist]

For now I am only going to train calves, nothing else until they improve. And if they don't, which they very well may never, then I don't even want to have big arms and such. Without calves it is all meaningless.

Do you wear shorts everyday?

[Donny]

always start leg workouts with calfs
Training the calfs first helps all the other muscles in the quads hams and glutes to start firing

Same way you should do grip excercises before arms and upper body

That goes against everything Joe Weider said 
I can´t see that grip training before BB Rows or Deadlifts is sensible...i take it you´re Trolling 

[Griffith]

always start leg workouts with calfs
Training the calfs first helps all the other muscles in the quads hams and glutes to start firing

Same way you should do grip excercises before arms and upper body

No way I could do grip training before rows, deadlifts or shrugs.

Unless the meaning is we're supposed to use much less weight instead.

[Donny]

If people really want to specialise on calfs then i would train them on their own such as morning legs & later that evening calfs ( time permitting )
can even do a set of calfs inbetween sets of other exercises for other bodyparts, before you know it inbetween say sets of chest training you´ve done 5 sets of calfs

[joswift]

No way I could do grip training before rows, deadlifts or shrugs.

Unless the meaning is we're supposed to use much less weight instead.

squeeze a tennis ball to get the forearm and wrists warmed up and firing

[Van_Bilderass]

That goes against everything Joe Weider said 
I can´t see that grip training before BB Rows or Deadlifts is sensible...i take it you´re Trolling 

A heavy compound movement before testing grip strength can surprisingly increase it. I read it somewhere and tested and for me it was true. Low rep deads didn't really tax my grip so those worked for me but I imagine a heavy squat would work too

[Donny]

squeeze a tennis ball to get the forearm and wrists warmed up and firing

Same way you should do grip excercises before arms and upper body

what other exercises are U talking about? other than squeezing a Tennis ball