Lee Haney needs kidney transplant

[Methyl m1ke]

abusing anything will cause damage.

take 100 anavar tabs = nothing happens
take 100 paracetamol = death

Taking 100 anavar is not abuse??

[blackpele]

Well he pimped his wife Laura for many years to make money so what can you expect   

What?!?!?!?!?!

[MAXX]

hey just to chime in here, lee quit competing at what age 32 which is young bye todays standards

and he slimmed down pretty fast i dont remember seeing any pics of him looking jacked since he retired.  i wonder if this is a  combination of genetics and past steroid use, but you would think  the symptoms would have showed up way faster from the bodybuilding life style, of course working in a hostpital when i was younger i used to take people to dialysis i had people in ther 20's and 30's with bad kidneys

what was the general cause? disease or high bloodpressure?

[oldschoolfan]

Aceto better not turn his back to Steve W!

Bwa ha ha

I bet big Steve has definitely got ahold of Chris


He was like. “ Chris if you want your guys to place high in the Olympia you better pay a visit to uncle Steve at his office today”

[Coach is Back!]

Can't just blame Aceto. It's most if not all of the "guru's" and bodybuilding coaches who claim they read labs. The only thing most look at is the hemotology, testosterone, Cholesterol, a1c but not the most important. BUN, Creatinine, eGFR, Amylase and the hematology associated ESPECIALLY with bodybuilding. It's just not steroids and diuretics to blame. Most if the time it's NSAIDS, not controlling BP (high). When labs are pulled one of the FIRST indicators that should be looked at is kidney function. If BUN is high, Creatinine is out of range and eGFR is low pass on training that person and tell them they need to see a nephrologist

[Rambone]

Can't just blame Aceto. It's most if not all of the "guru's" and bodybuilding coaches who claim they read labs. The only thing most look at is the hemotology, testosterone, Cholesterol, a1c but not the most important. BUN, Creatinine, eGFR, Amylase and the hematology associated ESPECIALLY with bodybuilding. It's just not steroids and diuretics to blame. Most if the time it's NSAIDS, not controlling BP (high). When labs are pulled one of the FIRST indicators that should be looked at is kidney function. If BUN is high, Creatinine is out of range and eGFR is low pass on training that person and tell them they need to see a nephrologist

Thanks, Dr. Marino.

[Coach is Back!]

Thanks, Dr. Marino.

I’m here to educate. Hope this helps

[Van_Bilderass]

Can't just blame Aceto. It's most if not all of the "guru's" and bodybuilding coaches who claim they read labs. The only thing most look at is the hemotology, testosterone, Cholesterol, a1c but not the most important. BUN, Creatinine, eGFR, Amylase and the hematology associated ESPECIALLY with bodybuilding. It's just not steroids and diuretics to blame. Most if the time it's NSAIDS, not controlling BP (high). When labs are pulled one of the FIRST indicators that should be looked at is kidney function. If BUN is high, Creatinine is out of range and eGFR is low pass on training that person and tell them they need to see a nephrologist

There's TONS of talk about kidneys in the bodybuilding community. I think the coaches do look at the kidney labs as there's been so much talk about. All the "top" ones I've seen on social media say they do it, it's a priority it seems. That's aside from the wisdom of laypersons playing doctor; just making sure I'm not misunderstood LOL. But if your experience hearing about coaches is different I have no reason to doubt you.

Dante Doggcrapp touts the herb astragalus. Says he's brought back MANY pros and amateurs from the brink of kidney failure with it, along with stopping the juice. 2 grams morning and night, Vitamin Shoppe brand IIRC. It lowered my creatinine and tons of similar testimonials on the forums, seems reliable in that respect. Question in my mind is if it just lowers lab values, sort of as a fake indicator, or is it actually protecting the kidneys. Thought I'd mention it in case someone here has highish creatinine and wants to try it. Check the brand to make sure, apparently NOW foods for example doesn't work. Dante recommends all juicers to use it proactively, I don't think it will hurt. Are you familiar with it Coach?


AI Overview               

Astragalus (Huang Qi) is an herb used in Traditional Chinese Medicine known for its potential to protect the kidneys. Research suggests it may help slow the progression of chronic kidney disease (CKD) by reducing inflammation, preventing kidney scarring (fibrosis), and improving blood flow

Key Benefits

Slows Kidney Decline: Studies, including recent multi-center trials in diabetic patients with CKD, suggest astragalus can help stabilize the estimated glomerular filtration rate (eGFR) and slow kidney function decline.

Reduces Proteinuria: It is frequently investigated for its ability to lower protein in the urine—a major indicator of kidney damage and disease progression.

Antioxidant & Anti-Inflammatory: Compounds in the root, like astragaloside IV, help protect kidney tissues from oxidative damage and reduce inflammation.

Supports Diabetic Nephropathy: Because astragalus also helps lower blood sugar and improve metabolic function, it is heavily researched as an adjunctive treatment for diabetic kidney disease


As far as kidney labs go, one of dj's favorite youtubers, Pro BB Dr Todd, I think he's an actual MD, claims the GFR and creatinine value are worthless for a bb, you need to get your Cystatin-C. He has an arrogant style so I haven't watched much.

There's a bunch of meds that theoretically could help protect bb'ers kidneys when used prophylactically, and many use them, but my posts get too long

[GymnJuice]

As far as kidney labs go, one of dj's favorite youtubers, Pro BB Dr Todd, I think he's an actual MD, claims the GFR and creatinine value are worthless for a bb, you need to get your Cystatin-C. He has an arrogant style so I haven't watched much.

I don't know if I'd say they're worthless, but they could be elevated from higher muscle mass and not necessarily indicative of poorly functioning kidneys. The cystatin C test isn't a bad idea. Urine studies for albumin or creatinine could also be done. 

[Coach is Back!]

There's TONS of talk about kidneys in the bodybuilding community. I think the coaches do look at the kidney labs as there's been so much talk about. All the "top" ones I've seen on social media say they do it, it's a priority it seems. That's aside from the wisdom of laypersons playing doctor; just making sure I'm not misunderstood LOL. But if your experience hearing about coaches is different I have no reason to doubt you.

Dante Doggcrapp touts the herb astragalus. Says he's brought back MANY pros and amateurs from the brink of kidney failure with it, along with stopping the juice. 2 grams morning and night, Vitamin Shoppe brand IIRC. It lowered my creatinine and tons of similar testimonials on the forums, seems reliable in that respect. Question in my mind is if it just lowers lab values, sort of as a fake indicator, or is it actually protecting the kidneys. Thought I'd mention it in case someone here has highish creatinine and wants to try it. Check the brand to make sure, apparently NOW foods for example doesn't work. Dante recommends all juicers to use it proactively, I don't think it will hurt. Are you familiar with it Coach?


AI Overview               

Astragalus (Huang Qi) is an herb used in Traditional Chinese Medicine known for its potential to protect the kidneys. Research suggests it may help slow the progression of chronic kidney disease (CKD) by reducing inflammation, preventing kidney scarring (fibrosis), and improving blood flow

Key Benefits

Slows Kidney Decline: Studies, including recent multi-center trials in diabetic patients with CKD, suggest astragalus can help stabilize the estimated glomerular filtration rate (eGFR) and slow kidney function decline.

Reduces Proteinuria: It is frequently investigated for its ability to lower protein in the urine—a major indicator of kidney damage and disease progression.

Antioxidant & Anti-Inflammatory: Compounds in the root, like astragaloside IV, help protect kidney tissues from oxidative damage and reduce inflammation.

Supports Diabetic Nephropathy: Because astragalus also helps lower blood sugar and improve metabolic function, it is heavily researched as an adjunctive treatment for diabetic kidney disease


As far as kidney labs go, one of dj's favorite youtubers, Pro BB Dr Todd, I think he's an actual MD, claims the GFR and creatinine value are worthless for a bb, you need to get your Cystatin-C. He has an arrogant style so I haven't watched much.

There's a bunch of meds that theoretically could help protect bb'ers kidneys when used prophylactically, and many use them, but my posts get too long

I agree with taking Cystatin into consideration. But if you get labs back that suggest you’re in or heading towards 4th Stage CKD even if you might be at a 3a or b and Urine tests come back you’re dumping protein Its not a “coaches” call to play doctor. It would call for kidney/bladder imaging to see if there’s if it’s temporary injury or permanent damage.

If your Creatinine is right around 1.8-2.0 + and your eGFR is in the 40’’s or 30’s chances of heading back to normal numbers are almost 0. Depending on the damage you might expect if stage 4 with an eGFR lets say 30, might be able to recover at 34-36.

It’s absurd to say those baselines are “worthless”

Find a Nephrologist that deals with athletes not one only for the general public

[Van_Bilderass]

It’s absurd to say those baselines are “worthless”

Find a Nephrologist that deals with athletes not one only for the general public

Yeah, that guy is very self assured though and it's hard for the lay person to argue against an "MD." I recently had an acute kidney injury but recovered to my "normal." They've refused to order any Cystatin-C for me since I'm just curious, they are very rigid here and apparently have certain exacting protocols and don't want to waste money on "unnecessary" tests.

That Todd fella says not to worry about high hematocrit. When you get tested by your doc or want to donate blood, just drink a gallon of water before and you will "pass" no problem, everything will be in range From my readings it seems to me highish numbers aren't as dangerous as many assume; also regular blood donation seems like an overall bad idea. But opinions seem to vary. I once "challenged" a respected HRT doc, I asked him if it's true there's really no evidence high numbers as a result of HRT is dangerous and he he said that's true, they just don't like to see those numbers on labs. I don't have to worry about that though, I have anemia for some mysterious reason they haven't been able to figure out.

[Coach is Back!]

Yeah, that guy is very self assured though and it's hard for the lay person to argue against an "MD." I recently had an acute kidney injury but recovered to my "normal." They've refused to order any Cystatin-C for me since I'm just curious, they are very rigid here and apparently have certain exacting protocols and don't want to waste money on "unnecessary" tests.

That Todd fella says not to worry about high hematocrit. When you get tested by your doc or want to donate blood, just drink a gallon of water before and you will "pass" no problem, everything will be in range From my readings it seems to me highish numbers aren't as dangerous as many assume; also regular blood donation seems like an overall bad idea. But opinions seem to vary. I once "challenged" a respected HRT doc, I asked him if it's true there's really no evidence high numbers as a result of HRT is dangerous and he he said that's true, they just don't like to see those numbers on labs. I don't have to worry about that though, I have anemia for some mysterious reason they haven't been able to figure out.

Perhaps you didn't read all of my post or just flat out didn't understand it. Me thinks it's the latter. Do you understand the difference between acute and chronic?

[Humble Narcissist]

Hopefully Lee doesn't receive a rabid kidney.

[Van_Bilderass]

Perhaps you didn't read all of my post or just flat out didn't understand it. Me thinks it's the latter. Do you understand the difference between acute and chronic?

I often write and post so fast I word things wrong and it becomes unclear. Or sometimes I read wrong or plain misunderstand. I'm not exactly sure what you refer to here, sorry. I just threw in that I had an acute kidney issue recently. Previous to this, in years past, I've had highish creatinine and lowish eGFR and they didn't want to order a Cystatin-C panel when I asked out of curiosity, apparently they thought it was unnecessary in my case.

[Griffith]

Yeah, that guy is very self assured though and it's hard for the lay person to argue against an "MD." I recently had an acute kidney injury but recovered to my "normal." They've refused to order any Cystatin-C for me since I'm just curious, they are very rigid here and apparently have certain exacting protocols and don't want to waste money on "unnecessary" tests.

That Todd fella says not to worry about high hematocrit. When you get tested by your doc or want to donate blood, just drink a gallon of water before and you will "pass" no problem, everything will be in range From my readings it seems to me highish numbers aren't as dangerous as many assume; also regular blood donation seems like an overall bad idea. But opinions seem to vary. I once "challenged" a respected HRT doc, I asked him if it's true there's really no evidence high numbers as a result of HRT is dangerous and he he said that's true, they just don't like to see those numbers on labs. I don't have to worry about that though, I have anemia for some mysterious reason they haven't been able to figure out.

Thoughts on creatine and kidneys?

For some medical screenings in the past I had to stop using creatine as it threw the creatinine levels out of range.

[Van_Bilderass]

Thoughts on creatine and kidneys?

For some medical screenings in the past I had to stop using creatine as it threw the creatinine levels out of range.

I haven't had enough kidney labs to know if creatine increases creatinine for me. Conflicting information on the net last time I checked, I think many said no. As you know a hard workout can and will increase creatinine temporarily as well.

However, even if creatine increases creatinine it doesn't mean creatine is bad for the kidneys; it doesn't seem to be the case. A while back I tried 30 gram morning doses as I read that studies show it cancels out cognitive performance decreases due to sleep deprivation. Interesting stuff.

I first used creatine back in 1993 IIRC!

[obsidian]

Thoughts on creatine and kidneys?

For some medical screenings in the past I had to stop using creatine as it threw the creatinine levels out of range.

I last used creatine about 25 years ago. It blows you up because you hold back water. And I saw some strength improvements. But I felt like it was fucking me up with urinating, etc. Maybe I used a little too much at a time. I get blood and urine work once or twice per year. My kidneys are in good shape. My doctor claimed teenage levels. I need to drink more water though. I used to be religious about taking in a lot of water. Now I get it through decaf and flavored water (sugar free), and some plain water at the gym.

[Van_Bilderass]

I last used creatine about 25 years ago. It blows you up because you hold back water. And I saw some strength improvements. But I felt like it was fucking me up with urinating, etc. Maybe I used a little too much at a time. I get blood and urine work once or twice per year. My kidneys are in good shape. My doctor claimed teenage levels. I need to drink more water though. I used to be religious about taking in a lot of water. Now I get it through decaf and flavored water (sugar free), and some plain water at the gym.

It makes me piss like crazy! I always ask others if they notice this effect but usually they haven't thought about it. It makes me gain weight, as it should, yet I'm pissing tons. Obviously I must be drinking more than excreting but at first thought it seems like it's a crazy diuretic, which isn't true of course.

I think creatine is a useful  and worthwhile supp, healthy even, but I usually run out and "forget" about buying more.

I think those who claim it bloats them must be exaggerating, I haven't ever seen it make me hold subcutaneous water, it's intracellular and intramuscular which is a good thing. A hydrated cell is more anabolic they say. I don't know about others but for me more water in the muscle is positive from most angles.

Drinking lots of water is good as long as you are taking in enough electrolytes. Otherwise you risk diluting your minerals.

[falco]

When i was a teen and started bodybuilding, imported FLEX magazine was the only source of bodybuilding information in my country. I never understood why half of FLEX were urology and cardiology adds.

Now i know..