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[Hendrix]

I have bulked up to 280 unnaturaly and my natural bodyweight training to is 225 at 5,11 sub 10% bodyfat.My question is there any reason to bulk up naturally i have seen True Adonis photos and his bodyfat is quite high.I know many who cannot keep a low Bodyfat they lose 50% percent of there muscle in dieting naturally.
My point is what is the purpose of looking like a fridge , i have seen many guys in my gym which have large girth and are expceptional strength and other guys with exceptional physiques with very low bodyfat.
I got up to 320 once naturally, i was big and as strong as an Ox but as i diet down my strength leaves me as with muscular size.Why do natural guys feel the need to bulk up naturally and lose there hard earned work dieting down natural.
Some of you may know my rediculous cycles in the past but i am talking about the reason why natural guys bulk up.It leaves me puzzled

[shiftedShapes]

umm their not losing muscle when dieting...the truth is that they don't gain anymore muscle then they would if they were just gaining clean (ok maybe a pound or two).  Without exogenous test you can't force the body to put on muscle with excess calories.  It's a scam to sell supps nothing more.

So bulk if you feel like eating like a pig but don't do it to gain muscle, because if you're natural it won't work.

[DK II]

umm their not losing muscle when dieting...the truth is that they don't gain anymore muscle then they would if they were just gaining clean (ok maybe a pound or two).  Without exogenous test you can't force the body to put on muscle with excess calories.  It's a scam to sell supps nothing more.

So bulk if you feel like eating like a pig but don't do it to gain muscle, because if you're natural it won't work.

yup, well said.

[G o a t b o y]

It's a matter of degree. You can bulk and put on muscle naturally, but not the way most guys do it. You can't "bulk" up to 25% bf and expect any results. You should never get above 14-15% absolute max at the top of a bulk, and should diet very slowly down to 9/10% depending on your genetics, hold for several months, then repeat. I have no idea if this method works for everyone, but it does work very well for me.

[Big N]

I have bulked up to 280 unnaturaly and my natural bodyweight training to is 225 at 5,11 sub 10% bodyfat.My question is there any reason to bulk up naturally i have seen True Adonis photos and his bodyfat is quite high.I know many who cannot keep a low Bodyfat they lose 50% percent of there muscle in dieting naturally.
My point is what is the purpose of looking like a fridge , i have seen many guys in my gym which have large girth and are expceptional strength and other guys with exceptional physiques with very low bodyfat.
I got up to 320 once naturally, i was big and as strong as an Ox but as i diet down my strength leaves me as with muscular size.Why do natural guys feel the need to bulk up naturally and lose there hard earned work dieting down natural.
Some of you may know my rediculous cycles in the past but i am talking about the reason why natural guys bulk up.It leaves me puzzled

I'm natural, its very simple the more you bulk up(within common sense) the easier it'll be for you to add on muscle. The more clean food calories you consume and keep your body in a as to say "anabolic" state by constantly eating every 2- 3hrs fueling yourself up with whole food it'll add additional muscle mass to get bigger!

And as far as dieting down, as long as you're doing it right you'll have 90% of the same strength! If you're on stereiods you'll have a lot more advantage in more areas as far as adding on muscle/dieting down than somebody who's "natural". That's another story, but as a natural bodybuilder while you're dieting down if your protein, carbs, fats, greens, vitamins, lifts, sleep, 6-8 meals/day is all on point, you'll maintain 90% of your lean muscle mass. You'll have to just believe in the TIME and the EFFORT it takes in a long term commitment!

peace

[Hendrix]

  Without exogenous test you can't force the body to put on muscle with excess calories.  It's a scam to sell supps nothing more.

I put a hell of alot of Muscle mass naturally at 320 and could do 10 reps of 400 pounds now at 225 i can only do 10 reps of 220 so i disagree with not being able to put on muscle naturally with excess calories.Though i could not agree with you more about supps.I have many wardrobes of cloths to fit all my weight flucuations.
I had a very bad experience with medical complications so my excessive drug use has been halted.Now all i use is a bit of Deca and Dianabol and hope to reach 250 pounds by Summer.

[Hendrix]

I'm natural, its very simple the more you bulk up(within common sense) the easier it'll be for you to add on muscle. The more clean food calories you consume and keep your body in a as to say "anabolic" state by constantly eating every 2- 3hrs fueling yourself up with whole food it'll add additional muscle mass to get bigger!

And as far as dieting down, as long as you're doing it right you'll have 90% of the same strength! If you're on stereiods you'll have a lot more advantage in more areas as far as adding on muscle/dieting down than somebody who's "natural". That's another story, but as a natural bodybuilder while you're dieting down if your protein, carbs, fats, greens, vitamins, lifts, sleep, 6-8 meals/day is all on point, you'll maintain 90% of your lean muscle mass. You'll have to just believe in the TIME and the EFFORT it takes in a long term commitment!

peace

You have proven me wrong can you please tell me your diet and training regiems when dieting down naturally i am very curious to your techniques.

[Big N]

You have proven me wrong can you please tell me your diet and training regiems when dieting down naturally i am very curious to your techniques.

are you being sarcastic bro?

[Bast175]

It's a matter of degree. You can bulk and put on muscle naturally, but not the way most guys do it. You can't "bulk" up to 25% bf and expect any results. You should never get above 14-15% absolute max at the top of a bulk, and should diet very slowly down to 9/10% depending on your genetics, hold for several months, then repeat. I have no idea if this method works for everyone, but it does work very well for me.

what are your 'stats'?

[Lugar]

Why are people repling that you cant gain lean mass on a bulking diet if you are natural?  Is this a complete myth?

[Hendrix]

are you being sarcastic bro?

Definatly not, just frustrated in my own attempts of holding on to muscle size when losing weight naturally.

[shiftedShapes]

As of this morning, 207 lbs, around 8%.  That's at 5'10", 36 yo, training consistently for 11 yrs. 

That might not be very big compared to many of the juice monkeys who post here (or the 250-lb naturals who claim 12% but are really 25%  ), but most members of the general public think I'm "focckin hyoooge".   

I would say that is huge especially if you are natural.

It means you basically have 20lbs more muscle than Frank Zane at the same height and bf % as when he won the Olympia.  If you have decent structure you must look awesome.  Do you have pics?

[Arnold jr]

I would say that is huge especially if you are natural.

It means you basically have 20lbs more muscle than Frank Zane at the same height and bf % as when he won the Olympia.  If you have decent structure you must look awesome.  Do you have pics?

Are you saying Zane had a bf of 8% when he won the Olympia? I find that to be a high number when talking about an Olympia competitor, do you have any proof of this number?

[WOOO]

umm their not losing muscle when dieting...the truth is that they don't gain anymore muscle then they would if they were just gaining clean (ok maybe a pound or two).  Without exogenous test you can't force the body to put on muscle with excess calories.  It's a scam to sell supps nothing more.

So bulk if you feel like eating like a pig but don't do it to gain muscle, because if you're natural it won't work.

bump dis!!!

[shiftedShapes]

Are you saying Zane had a bf of 8% when he won the Olympia? I find that to be a high number when talking about an Olympia competitor, do you have any proof of this number?

8% is actually very low.  I know people make up BS about being 1% or even 3%, but believe me to actually get below 5% people look absolutely shredded.  And even if he was a couple percent below 8 that would only make a couple lbs difference.

[Arnold jr]

8% is actually very low.  I know people make up BS about being 1% or even 3%, but believe me to actually get below 5% people look absolutely shredded.  And even if he was a couple percent below 8 that would only make a couple lbs difference.

8% is a low bf% but not by competition standards...there is a huge difference in how someone looks at 8% versus 4% which is pretty much the normal range for anyone who competes and stands a chance. I'll agree with you, that people who claim 1 or 2% are full of it, but the low 3's to mid-4's is not imposable, maintainable, no, but very possible for short term goals.

I remember last year when I dieted down and after a while my bf was down to 8%, several wks later I had it checked again and it was right at 5% and I can tell you that a 3% drop made a world of difference.

[delta9mda]

you were doing inaccurate skin fold or hydro static test?

[Arnold jr]

you were doing inaccurate skin fold or hydro static test?

Skin fold is what I've always done. Yes, it is not as accurate as hydro static, but if it is done by a compentant person it can give you a relatively good estimate.