Oldest current pro from the chemical era.

[Matt C]

Discuss.

[davidpaul]

Let's call it "post 1992."

Who among top amateurs and pros who competed in this era are still alive?  We have tons of seventies pros still with us, but I think the two oldest current pros who competed in the Olympia since 1992 would be Sonny Schmidt and Don Youngblood and they are both dead.

Are there are any hardcore juicers who did it for many years and reached an advanced age?

I know most pros don't realize it (or want to admit it), but they really are science projects / guinea pigs.  In 5-15 years we will know the full impact of what heavy bodybuilding drug use does.  Until then, we really don't know.  The only studies performed have used moderate amounts of "teh sauce".

don youngblood didnt start training unitl his 30's, and wasnt around until early 2000's.  Look at his face in training photos he looks like a mutant.

[dorkeroo]

Let's call it "post 1992."

Who among top amateurs and pros who competed in this era are still alive?  We have tons of seventies pros still with us, but I think the two oldest current pros who competed in the Olympia since 1992 would be Sonny Schmidt and Don Youngblood and they are both dead.

Are there any hardcore juicers who did it for many years and reached an advanced age?

I know most pros don't realize it (or want to admit it), but they really are science projects / guinea pigs.  In 5-15 years we will know the full impact of what heavy bodybuilding drug use does.  Until then, we really don't know.  The only studies performed have used moderate amounts of "teh sauce".

Come on man, there has got to be something more interesting in this "sport" than juice.

[sgt. d]

Let's call it "post 1992."

Who among top amateurs and pros who competed in this era are still alive?  We have tons of seventies pros still with us, but I think the two oldest current pros who competed in the Olympia since 1992 would be Sonny Schmidt and Don Youngblood and they are both dead.

Are there any hardcore juicers who did it for many years and reached an advanced age?

I know most pros don't realize it (or want to admit it), but they really are science projects / guinea pigs.  In 5-15 years we will know the full impact of what heavy bodybuilding drug use does.  Until then, we really don't know.  The only studies performed have used moderate amounts of "teh sauce".

enough of this , if you dont like bodybuilding then why are you here. if you dont like juicers then leave. take up natural bodybuilding

[Woten]

That's a misrepresentation of my point of view.

I don't like Tom Prince.  Or at least the way he acted on mayhem when he was there.  Also his claims of still being 230. 

There is more involved than juice alone.  The high calorie / high meat diets for example.

FFS Matt, people come, people go

In the great scheme of existential wonder, most all of these bodybuilding moments, will be lost, in time.. like, tears... in the rain...

[davidpaul]

FFS Matt, people come, people go, most all of these bodybuilding moments, will be lost, in time.. like... tears... in the rain...

blade runner

[tommywishbone]

"... the typical trucker lifestyle..."  

"Hey Momma, show me your tits!"
"Give me $100 worth of unleaded and a bag of pork rinds."
"Hey slow-poke, get the fuck off the road!"
"Look little lady, gas, cash or ass... nobody rides for free."
"Hey crackhead, how much for a little sucky-sucky?"

[davidpaul]

 

 coons



didnt know you were a member of british national party,

long live nick griffin!!!!

[Woten]

 

Better question: can juice be moderated?

No

You can drink or smoke a little and live until 90.  Can the same be said of juice?

Yes, for some

A possible better topic on this board:

Which pro can score the most in the way of quality birds?

I would say Gunter, he has that Aryan quality about him.

Definitely, Hitler would have had him in some kind of breeding program, or at the very least he would have scored a few front covers of Eugenics Monthly, in that respect, he and I share common ground, sieg heil

In my experience, it's only coal burning slags that go for clowns so Cormier and Wheeler are not up there, cocky little shits like Titus would also score with the aforementioned cheapo slags.

Yeah, the hoop earing, scraped back hair brigade, the sort of 'quality' slags you see in those cheap BangBros movies

I think guys like Mishko Sarcev would do well with quality birds.

I thought he already had

blade runner

what about it? isnt that the Harrison Ford film from the early 80's? I've never seen it, I keep meaning to, its supposed to be rather good

 

[DK II]

No

Yes, for some

Definitely, Hitler would hjave had him in some kind of breeding program, or at the very least he would have cosred a few front covers of Eugenics Monthly, in that respect, he and I share common ground, sieg heil

Yeah, the hoop earing, scraped back hair brigade, the sort of 'quality' slags you see in those cheap BangBros movies

I thought he already had

what about it? isnt that the Harrison Ford film from the early 80's? I've never seen it, I keep meaning to, its supposed to be rather good

 

eye cancer alarm

[Woten]

didnt know you were a member of british national party,

long live nick griffin!!!!

Bollocks to Nick Griffin, fucking sell out clown. NF all the way, bombs and guns will be our only salvation RAHOWA

Juice can't be moderated?

 

why would you want it to be? explain

[Woten]

Well, it would be nice to do a few cycles here and there and not have to lose years off my lifespan.

So, matt, lets pretend you live in a vacuum, how long will you live?

Of course, you cannot answer unless you are psychic

Shit, in many respects it ss arguable that - from a quality of life perspective - steroid use infact improves your older years, I mean, you can bang on about a few deaths as much as you want (all unrelated by the way, as much as may wish to paint it different) but the fact is, there are thousands of seasoned juicers whom are now in their 60's/70's and look great, with strong bones/boners, regular bloodwork and most everything as it should be

You cannot compare some dick shooting 20ius of GH per day, along with 30iu Insulin per day and anywhere between 1000 - 5,000mg of gear per day with the guys who dont take the piss

Test therapy is the fountain of youth mate

Matt, for fucks sake, just hop on a course, you sound like a guy DESPARATE to fuck a dirty slag, but is worried about non issues such as: is there enough space on the curtains to wipe my cock?

[legbreaker]

Let's call it "post 1992."
I know most pros don't realize it (or want to admit it), but they really are science projects / guinea pigs.  In 5-15 years we will know the full impact of what heavy bodybuilding drug use does.  Until then, we really don't know.  The only studies performed have used moderate amounts of "teh sauce".

You make some real good points, Matt.  It's true about the studies and although some guys did use large amounts it was no where near what is going on today.  Just an example, I've competed since 84 and when I first became familiar with stuff EQ was made in 50 and 25 mg bottles!!!  Guys would TYPICALLY (and I trained at Steve Michaliks MR. Americas) use a cc 3 times per week.  As you know now 200 mgs is common per cc and guys use it more than a couple times a week.  Deca would be 200 to 400 milligrams...test also would be in that neighborhood.  GH wasn't typically being used until later and only some (diabetics) where talking about insulin use in BB.  The one thing that I do know guys used alot of was dianabol and methyl test...but even still 25 milligrams was a lot most typical guys used 5 to 10....same with anavar.Some guys did just take handfulls of these, but it was NOT the common practice among the top competitors I knew..My buddy Bob Price (who had an column in Muscle media) would commonly talk about 10 mgs being average use....Now figure girls take 20.  Every ones spoken about the physiques and their changes.  Of course we can't deny that guys are much bigger, but to me it doesn't make for a better BB.  The separations are not as clear.  The Recti Splinting of the linear albna in the abdominal wall is a ridiculous example of GH insulin abuse...and the physiques lack something that pros once had and I attribute it to the 30 -45 minute workouts done on machines in a slow methodical fashion and the common "cheat meal "mentality of the new BB.  I'm not specificcaly talking about a cheat meal per say just the weaker mentality, less stringent nutritional habits of the new chemically induced BB.  I personally don't like the way BB has gone since the early 90's. I think it should be included and spoken about often.  Maybe then some kid getting into this can read and decide to stop following the droves of kids using stuff and take a smarter approach, research old training methods and nutritional practices from the guys that produced the greatest physiques in the game of BB.  

[Miss Demeanor]

He always looked beet red - kind of like Branch Warren or Jay Cutler.  But high blood pressure doesn't manifest many (if any) physical symptoms, so what would have caused that?

He was a trucker for many years and probably led the typical trucker lifestyle until age 34 when I would imagine he jumped the juice bandwagon as soon as he started lifting.  So even though he started later in life he probably had close to two decades of sauce in him at the time of his death.

That's a pretty big leap in logic, Matt. 

[Lee_a_priest]

I AM HERE  AND CHRIS AND RONNIE SOME OF THE OLD GUARD WHO STARTED IN THE PROS IN 93

[DK II]

You make some real good points, Matt.  It's true about the studies and although some guys did use large amounts it was no where near what is going on today.  Just an example, I've competed since 84 and when I first became familiar with stuff EQ was made in 50 and 25 mg bottles!!!  Guys would TYPICALLY (and I trained at Steve Michaliks MR. Americas) use a cc 3 times per week.  As you know now 200 mgs is common per cc and guys use it more than a couple times a week.  Deca would be 200 to 400 milligrams...test also would be in that neighborhood.  GH wasn't typically being used until later and only some (diabetics) where talking about insulin use in BB.  The one thing that I do know guys used alot of was dianabol and methyl test...but even still 25 milligrams was a lot most typical guys used 5 to 10....same with anavar.Some guys did just take handfulls of these, but it was NOT the common practice among the top competitors I knew..My buddy Bob Price (who had an column in Muscle media) would commonly talk about 10 mgs being average use....Now figure girls take 20.  Every ones spoken about the physiques and their changes.  Of course we can't deny that guys are much bigger, but to me it doesn't make for a better BB.  The separations are not as clear.  The Recti Splinting of the linear albna in the abdominal wall is a ridiculous example of GH insulin abuse...and the physiques lack something that pros once had and I attribute it to the 30 -45 minute workouts done on machines in a slow methodical fashion and the common "cheat meal "mentality of the new BB.  I'm not specificcaly talking about a cheat meal per say just the weaker mentality, less stringent nutritional habits of the new chemically induced BB.  I personally don't like the way BB has gone since the early 90's. I think it should be included and spoken about often.  Maybe then some kid getting into this can read and decide to stop following the droves of kids using stuff and take a smarter approach, research old training methods and nutritional practices from the guys that produced the greatest physiques in the game of BB.   

I agree to all but the thing about cheat meals. Arnold and his lads were known to eat burgers and pasta on a regular basis until a few weeks before a competition. Cheating on your meal plans has been a part in bodybuilding for a long time.

[pobrecito]

Ronnie has aged tremendously and I can't even imagine how bad he's going to get in 5-10 years. Just watch BFTO 05 when it zoomes up on his face, his eyes are all yellow, he just looks much worse than he did even 5 years ago..

[Woten]

I AM HERE  AND CHRIS AND RONNIE SOME OF THE OLD GUARD WHO STARTED IN THE PROS IN 93

Lee, not a question about quantities and all that shite, instead, what is your favourite brand of test?

Testoviron (Schering) current Iranian Enanthate (Abu raihan) or do you [perhaps] go for Cypionate of one flavour or another?

[legbreaker]

I agree to all but the thing about cheat meals. Arnold and his lads were known to eat burgers and pasta on a regular basis until a few weeks before a competition. Cheating on your meal plans has been a part in bodybuilding for a long time.

Absolutely Donkey Kong, I'm aware of that.  As a matter of fact Arnold used to go to the House of Pies every saturday with my buddy bill swanson and their friend Ric Drasin.  That's why I said the cheat meal mentality....I mean the guys today that eat like that all the time...because of the large amounts of gh they "cosmetically" get away with it.....I aint talking about the once a week off program meal or something. 

[DK II]

Absolutely Donkey Kong, I'm aware of that.  As a matter of fact Arnold used to go to the House of Pies every saturday with my buddy bill swanson and their friend Ric Drasin.  That's why I said the cheat meal mentality....I mean the guys today that eat like that all the time...because of the large amounts of gh they "cosmetically" get away with it.....I aint talking about the once a week off program meal or something. 

Any names?
I always thought most pros were pretty strict with their diets, at least the 1st tier ones.
Burger King Kamali and 'The Australian Fried Chicken Priest' prove otherwise, but besides them...?

[legbreaker]

hahaha, that's funny....'The Australian Fried Chicken Priest'.  At least Lee has spoken in reference to his using smaller amounts of stuff and his off season coming off.  I believe him because his physique doesn't display the abusive signs some others do.  With that in mind all BB's should take Co q10, fish oils, pantathiene, pysillium husk fiber among other supps, but that's a separate discussion.
In terms of names...for example, Dave palumbo.  Now I'll use Dave just because he and his eating habits are well known...I like Dave, have great respect for him and his knowledge and work ethic.  Many years ago eating at a fast food joint was not common place among BB's...especially every single day or often.  Of course some people did but it wasn't typical.  Today it's very very common...and leading up to a show some may do this even 6 weeks out.  Think about this....years ago guys would get in incredible shape with NO gh...and the typical BB diet was 8 weeks...

[Jerryme7]

What about Al Beckles and Robby Robinson?

[DK II]

hahaha, that's funny....'The Australian Fried Chicken Priest'.  At least Lee has spoken in reference to his using smaller amounts of stuff and his off season coming off.  I believe him because his physique doesn't display the abusive signs some others do.  With that in mind all BB's should take Co q10, fish oils, pantathiene, pysillium husk fiber among other supps, but that's a separate discussion.
In terms of names...for example, Dave palumbo.  Know I'll use Dave just because he and his eating habits are well known...I like Dave, have great respect for him and his knowledge and work ethic.  Many years ago eating at a fats food joint was not common place among BB's...especially every single day or often.  Of course some people did but not typical.  Today it's very very common...and leading up to a show some may do this even 6 weeks out.  Think about this....years ago guys would get in incredible shape with NO gh...and the typical BB diet was 8 weeks...

That's true. Back then most Bodybuilders would be in decent shape all year round.
Not like these bloated fatasses like Ronnie, Branch, Chris Cook and many others.

[legbreaker]

What about Al Beckles and Robby Robinson?

I'm not sure about those two specifically, but I was working the front desk at Americas during many conversations between Steve Michalik and Al Beckles and Frank Richards before the 85(I believe) night of the Champions and it didn't seem like al was anything but strict on his diet.  It's interesting because Frank was descibing, IN DETAIL, his approach to dieting, from measuring ketones, protein intake and specific carb intake and type when a certain keto measurement was acheived.  Believe me, I learned a lot around Steve and these guys.  Steve read physiology books and journals not magazine articles.  That's why I say NOTHING IS NEW.  Keto genic diet books, atkins, the Zone....it's all been done...they all profit off BB's diet stratigies for years.

[Disgusted]

I AM HERE  AND CHRIS AND RONNIE SOME OF THE OLD GUARD WHO STARTED IN THE PROS IN 93

Yes, but you're lucky to have another 30 40 years in you.