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Re: Why does the NPC need the IFBB?
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2006, 11:37:40 AM »
To coin a phrase, "oh please negro"! Since when did you start wearing knee pads? He's one of the most respected men in the industry? WRONG! He's the one most feared by the athletes. His track record? What track record? Did he win the 200 meter or something? The NPC does nothing for their athletes just as the IFBB does nothing. They collect sanctioning fees from promoters and membership fees from athletes. They have some of the worst judging in amateur bodybuilding, and one of the biggest "good ol boys" clubs anywhere. Croneyism and nepetism at it's best. And you of all people should have issues with their press policy. When was the last time you had a press pass or was treated with any kind of dignity from them? Please Tre, take off your knee pads. It's very unbecoming of you. Now go out there and do some schmoetography!

Try as I might I find nothing to argue with here.  ;D

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Re: Why does the NPC need the IFBB?
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2006, 11:58:21 AM »
His track record? What track record?

Compare how much the NPC struggled in its early days back in the 80s to how well it is thriving today.  The growth hasn't always been as rapid as it is right now, but the reality is that the organization IS growing. 

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The NPC does nothing for their athletes just as the IFBB does nothing. They collect sanctioning fees from promoters and membership fees from athletes.

Those fees are pretty reasonable, though, aren't they?  That's one reason why I'm in favor of the NPC having its own professional division separate and apart from the IFBB. 

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And you of all people should have issues with their press policy. When was the last time you had a press pass or was treated with any kind of dignity from them?

You're kidding, right?  I'm treated well (or at least fairly!) pretty much wherever I go.  I'm able to do my thing, a few people benefit, and no one is hurt by it.

The press issue was settled some 4 years ago and I've considered that chapter closed since that time.  Even though I obviously disagreed with the need for such a policy, what it forced me to do was to get into the game on the business side. 

Some might consider it misfortune, but it was one of the greatest things to happen to me in the past decade as my gross receipts now are greater than they ever would've been had I continued business as usual from that time onward.     

That being said, your 'kneepad' comment is so far off-base, it's not even funny.  I've been appropriately critical of the NPC whenever I've seen inconsistency with judging or a policy that was unfair or unreasonable.  Few people have given the NPC judges more grief than I have in the past 5 years, but the NPC judging - without question - is FAR superior to what we see in the IFBB.  But at the same time, I've always given credit where it was due.  The reason you don't often see me griping about the NPC judging is that they usually do a darn good job. 

There will always be folks who don't like the NPC and that's fine.  But at the end of the day, the federation has provided employment and income opportunities for thousands of people throughout the years, and I don't see that as a bad thing at all. 




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Re: Why does the NPC need the IFBB?
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2006, 12:08:59 PM »
Those fees are pretty reasonable, though, aren't they? 

$75 (or is it more now?) per year just to belong?  $60 to enter a contest?  another $60 to cross over ?

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Re: Why does the NPC need the IFBB?
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2006, 12:22:17 PM »
$75 (or is it more now?) per year just to belong?  $60 to enter a contest?  another $60 to cross over ?

$75/year for membership is fine.

The entry fees are set by promoters, not the federation.  The shows which have high fees for crossover competitors are obviously trying to discourage that practice. 

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Re: Why does the NPC need the IFBB?
« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2006, 12:58:07 PM »
I know I'm repeating myself, but...

it ain't a federation.   local chapters have no autonomy.  members don't vote for their local representation.

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Re: Why does the NPC need the IFBB?
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2006, 01:38:52 PM »
I know I'm repeating myself, but...

it ain't a federation.   local chapters have no autonomy.  members don't vote for their local representation.

True, they don't, but they could if they wanted to. 

There was a big debate about this last summer, but it all came back to one truism - the members do not to elect their own representatives, but there is no official rule or policy which prevents them from doing so. 

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Re: Why does the NPC need the IFBB?
« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2006, 02:09:09 PM »
True, they don't, but they could if they wanted to. 

There was a big debate about this last summer, but it all came back to one truism - the members do not to elect their own representatives, but there is no official rule or policy which prevents them from doing so. 

Bullshit.

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Re: Why does the NPC need the IFBB?
« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2006, 02:36:41 PM »
Bullshit.

What's stopping the members from electing their own representatives?  Although I cannot recall the specific names of who was asked this question, the district chairmen who were interviewed all said the same thing - that the members can hold elections if they want to.  The names/responses are available online and of course, the same question could be asked again.


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Re: Why does the NPC need the IFBB?
« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2006, 02:40:35 PM »
the NPC judging - without question - is FAR superior to what we see in the IFBB.  But at the same time, I've always given credit where it was due.  The reason you don't often see me griping about the NPC judging is that they usually do a darn good job. 

It's the exact same judges!  The NPC and the IFBB are the same club with the same judges and the same percentage of "bad" judging decisions.  (That's the biggest problem that needs to be corrected!)  That's why thinking there's a need for a separate "NPC Pro Division" is only believed by the few people who still think the "Weiders" control everything.  Wake up, it's not 1996 anymore.  Wayne controlled the IFBB Pro Division before.  Manion is in control of everything now.  He hated Wayne and now opening mocks him and his "Loser League" the PDI.  And he loves being in control.  There's zero chance of him giving up control of the IFBB or going to the trouble of forming another organization to do the same thing.  

(By the way, Wayne always got HALF of the IFBB sanction fees he now pretends to be against.  And in the Orlando Pro meeting 2 years ago when he launched PDI, Wayne was asked if he would be lowering the fees in his new "Pro League," and with his typical smugness he said "No"--meaning he would just keep ALL of the fees from then on, which was all he wanted anyway.  Same old Wayne.  I'm certain Manion has a sweet deal too.)

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Re: Why does the NPC need the IFBB?
« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2006, 09:44:56 AM »
It's the exact same judges!  The NPC and the IFBB are the same club with the same judges and the same percentage of "bad" judging decisions.  (That's the biggest problem that needs to be corrected!)  

A lot of the same personnel, yes, but definitely not the same percentage of bad judging decisions...when they don their NPC caps, they perform a lot better.