Training for Strength regarding weights lifted?

[brianX]

Most of the top powerlifters in the lighter classes are very big people. They just don't have the bone structure and height to weigh much more than they do. Look at Ed Coan. He's something like 240 lb at 5'6". That huge for someone of that height. You could say the same thing about guys like Vince Anello and Gene Bell. They weren't small at all, just short.

[texasRUSH]

it's a sign you're not eating enough if you're gaining strength and not size.

true story 

[The True Adonis]

it's a sign you're not eating enough if you're gaining strength and not size.

true story 

Not at all.

[texasRUSH]

common sense might lean more my direction that yours...


explain your standing for me please

[The True Adonis]

common sense might lean more my direction that yours...


explain your standing for me please

The men capable of lifting the greatest amount of weights do not have the muscle mass of bodybuilders.

Plain and simple.

[texasRUSH]

lol you're arguing a completely different point that i am..if he wants more size dude's gotta eat more period! you can't build a sky scraper without all the iron and concrete! You can be strong as hell and not be large at all...It read as if he was wondering how he was getting stronger but not larger.

[hardkor]

The thickest/biggest bodybuilders (Ronnie, Lee, Johnny, Levrone) are also the strongest, plain and simple.

[pumpster]

The thickest/biggest bodybuilders (Ronnie, Lee, Johnny, Levrone) are also the strongest, plain and simple.

Wrong. Dillet doesn't go heavy, as well as some others like Robinson & Taylor, some of the most heavily muscled and impressive ever.

[benchthis]

Wrong. Dillet doesn't go heavy, as well as some others like Robinson & Taylor, some of the most heavily muscled and impressive ever.

drugs and genetics 

[pumpster]

drugs and genetics

That's the standard, canned excuse when there's none other. 

[BEAST 8692]

That's the standard, canned excuse when there's none other. 

come on, imagine if a natural guy with average genes trained like dillet did? he'd go backwards.

dillet trained like a woman trying NOT to develop big muscles.

he was the absolute poster boy for drugs and genes.

[anabol-lektor]

 

[Mr. Intenseone]

The only way to gauge true strength gains is to train without the use of AAS.....it's not fair to make assessments with someone who takes AAS!

[texasRUSH]

it doesn't matte wether you're using or not..if you don't know what you're doing, it doesnt matter how much gear you take unless you're paul dillet....who looks like he's blowing an o-ring everytime he flexes....


big paul dillet fan btw! 

[Mr. Intenseone]

I'm wasn't really talking about Dillett.....just gaging strength in general.....but yes, Dillett is definatly a freak!

[jem123]

Wrong. Dillet doesn't go heavy, as well as some others like Robinson & Taylor, some of the most heavily muscled and impressive ever.

Are you trying to say that there is no corraltion between weights used and muscle size? you would be well wide of the mark.


When you say Dilett, taylor etc dont go heavy they go heavy enough to stimulate growth with the inclusion of pre-exhust, supersets etc.

Also the BB's you mentioned certainly went heavy at the beggining of their bb careers while putting on a lot of their mass. Vince Taylor for example only stopped heavy squating due to injury.

The Biggest BB's in this sport are usually the strongest. Ronnie, dorian, Levrone etc.

Simple as.

[pumpster]

Are you trying to say that there is no corraltion between weights used and muscle size? you would be well wide of the mark.


When you say Dilett, taylor etc dont go heavy they go heavy enough to stimulate growth with the inclusion of pre-exhust, supersets etc.

Now you're qualifying it, and are still wrong. They go as heavy as they can, within the constraints of other variables that challenge the muscles such as the ones i've mentioned-not at all the same as lifting heavy weights in absolute terms.

come on, imagine if a natural guy with average genes trained like dillet did? he'd go backwards.

dillet trained like a woman trying NOT to develop big muscles.

You're just speculating, or trying to feel better thru excuses for why you don't look anything like that. Most of these guys are already freaks prior to AAS.

[BEAST 8692]

Now you're qualifying it, and are still wrong. They go as heavy as they can, within the constraints of other variables that challenge the muscles such as the ones i've mentioned-not at all the same as lifting heavy weights in absolute terms.

You're just speculating, or trying to feel better thru excuses for why you don't look anything like that. Most of these guys are already freaks prior to AAS.

try and keep it real pumpster. i really can't be bothered getting into a pissing contest.

i'm not speculating at all OR making excuse. i've been training with weights for 15 years and have got plenty big and strong taking plenty of rest between very heavy sets. it's the only way that ever made sense to me.

conversely, i've seen plenty of very small guys come into the gym and follow your protocol only to remain small because they just can't use the right weight or intensity because they've got 20 more sets to do with 1 minute breaks.

the ONLY people i see getting big on this protocol are guys that juice because they get massive pumps which give the illusion of more size, but it deflates when they go off.

put in it's most simple form, a guy who bench presses 400lbs for reps is going to be much more muscular and massive than a guy doing 20 supersets of 250lb with cable cross overs, flies, etc thrown in. so why not find the most effective way to get 400lb bench presses for reps?

in other words get stronger and add more weight to the exercise over time whilst maintaining good form = muscular size.

K.I.S.S

[whitewidow]

team goodbum coming at your ass in 2007-!!!!!