Author Topic: Questions for Atheists (Read 26750 times)

Butterbean · « **on:** October 11, 2006, 10:59:57 AM »

When do you first let someone know you're an atheist? When they start talking about God? Or do you offer it as an FYI in general or......?

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #1 on:** October 11, 2006, 11:11:53 AM »

Why bring it up? Unless questioned I let other people make the assumptions.

Camel Jockey · « **Reply #2 on:** October 12, 2006, 05:20:47 PM »

When they assign me a religion, like Nordic does.

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #3 on:** October 13, 2006, 02:37:38 AM »

Quote from: Camel Jockey on October 12, 2006, 05:20:47 PM

When they assign me a religion, like Nordic does.

In the context of CJ's message above, "assign" means: guess my religion correctly (but I will continue lying about my faith).

Does a god exist CJ?

Dos Equis · « **Reply #4 on:** October 14, 2006, 01:35:50 AM »

I don't know many atheists, but most of the ones I've encountered are angry and/or bitter.

Bigger Business · « **Reply #5 on:** October 14, 2006, 06:54:53 AM »

Id like a christians defnition of an athiest before answering

OzmO · « **Reply #6 on:** October 14, 2006, 09:02:39 AM »

I've know several athiest. They all were pretty nice poeple and seem to follow a fairly strict moral code in regards to "killing, stealing, adultry and lying". They seemed a bit lost.

Camel Jockey · « **Reply #7 on:** October 14, 2006, 04:01:44 PM »

Quote from: Nordic Superman on October 13, 2006, 02:37:38 AM

In the context of CJ's message above, "assign" means: guess my religion correctly (but I will continue lying about my faith).

Does a god exist CJ?

How am I lying about my faith? I will admit that I stick up for muslims sometimes because I feel an ethnic attachment, but not because I follow Islam.

Now to answer your question, no, I don't think god exists. This puts me in a difficult position in my own community because it's so out of the norm and people think I'm fucking crazy or a bad person.

Bigger Business · « **Reply #8 on:** October 15, 2006, 03:10:24 AM »

People in Australia are completely different to Americans as far as advertising their faith. I may see the odd 'fish' symbol on a car but generally christianity here is a cult. 'Born agains' are completely ridiculed and generally become outsiders to their pre 'saved' buddies, we dont tolerate that nonsense. Sure we have many thousands of christians but its a different mentality and they either keep to themselves or dont advertise the fact.

Ive never stepped into a church for any personal agenda however I was carried in once by my mother when I was 8 months old and assigned 'protestant' status. Whatever the flick that means.

As for when would I tell a christian that i dont believe in their trifle...I simply walk away, I dont owe them anything let alone my energy or time to hear another rant. I would never date someone that is religious I wouldnt knowingly hang out with religious people, because it just 'wouldnt work out'.

I use to compete on the skateboard circuit when I was a kid. I was/still am a fan of the band Bad Religion and was wearing one of their t-shirts at a christian sponsored event and was asked to change my shirt. (I wasnt wearing the shirt intentionally...was just a t-shirt) I kindly declined their request and was promptly disqualified. You think I'd care if I was running the gig and a dude turned up to skate in a 'I love jesus' t-shirt?

Im not an 'athiest' or 'agnostic', like Ive said before they're religious terms so obviously I cant be labelled as such (happy to argue).

So that being said, when would I tell someone I dont swim in their ocean? Never.

As for Beach Bum and Ozmo...your responses show your character and I feel sorry for you. You simply prove once again that christianity is a racist, hate cult. (write that down)

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #9 on:** October 15, 2006, 05:42:10 AM »

Quote from: Bigger Business on October 15, 2006, 03:10:24 AM

As for Beach Bum and Ozmo...your responses show your character and I feel sorry for you. You simply prove once again that christianity is a racist, hate cult. (write that down)

lol. Ozmo is actually a Christian?

OzmO · « **Reply #10 on:** October 15, 2006, 10:25:08 AM »

Quote from: Bigger Business on October 15, 2006, 03:10:24 AM

People in Australia are completely different to Americans as far as advertising their faith. I may see the odd 'fish' symbol on a car but generally christianity here is a cult. 'Born agains' are completely ridiculed and generally become outsiders to their pre 'saved' buddies, we dont tolerate that nonsense. Sure we have many thousands of christians but its a different mentality and they either keep to themselves or dont advertise the fact.

Ive never stepped into a church for any personal agenda however I was carried in once by my mother when I was 8 months old and assigned 'protestant' status. Whatever the flick that means.

As for when would I tell a christian that i dont believe in their trifle...I simply walk away, I dont owe them anything let alone my energy or time to hear another rant. I would never date someone that is religious I wouldnt knowingly hang out with religious people, because it just 'wouldnt work out'.

I use to compete on the skateboard circuit when I was a kid. I was/still am a fan of the band Bad Religion and was wearing one of their t-shirts at a christian sponsored event and was asked to change my shirt. (I wasnt wearing the shirt intentionally...was just a t-shirt) I kindly declined their request and was promptly disqualified. You think I'd care if I was running the gig and a dude turned up to skate in a 'I love jesus' t-shirt?

Im not an 'athiest' or 'agnostic', like Ive said before they're religious terms so obviously I cant be labelled as such (happy to argue).

So that being said, when would I tell someone I dont swim in their ocean? Never.

As for Beach Bum and Ozmo...your responses show your character and I feel sorry for you. You simply prove once again that christianity is a racist, hate cult. (write that down)

At what point Bigger, did i indicate i was racist or i was a christian? Can you read? Where in this post did i say that or inffer that? I simply gave my opinion about Athiests i met and know. My comment about being a little lost is a personal observation only.

So i don't get where you define my character that way other than you are very prone to jumping to conclusions as a another form of working your quads.

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #11 on:** October 15, 2006, 10:32:18 AM »

Quote from: OzmO on October 15, 2006, 10:25:08 AM

At what point Bigger, did i indicate i was racist or i was a christian? Can you read? Where in this post did i say that or inffer that? I simply gave my opinion about Athiests i met and know. My comment about being a little lost is a personal observation only.

So i don't get where you define my character that way other than you are very prone to jumping to conclusions as a another form of working your quads.

Do you practice any main stream "religion" or do you practice some trendy hippy religion? If you practice a religion, name it!

Liberal apologist smoke horse pole!

OzmO · « **Reply #12 on:** October 15, 2006, 10:40:17 AM »

Quote from: Nordic Superman on October 15, 2006, 10:32:18 AM

Do you practice any main stream "religion" or do you practice some trendy hippy religion? If you practice a religion, name it!

Liberal apologist smoke horse pole!

I don't practice any organized religion. I believe it's mostly a bunch of BS to control poeple.

Conservative alarmists shag their sisters.

Bigger Business · « **Reply #13 on:** October 15, 2006, 07:10:43 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on October 14, 2006, 09:02:39 AM

I've know several athiest. They all were pretty nice poeple and seem to follow a fairly strict moral code in regards to "killing, stealing, adultry and lying". They seemed a bit lost.

this post says

"I'm a christian and anyone that isnt: kills, steals, lies, and fucks married folk"

If youre not a christian, how do you know theyre 'athiests' and what does that make you?

fyi OJ is a christian

OzmO · « **Reply #14 on:** October 15, 2006, 08:51:41 PM »

Quote from: Bigger Business on October 15, 2006, 07:10:43 PM

this post says

"I'm a christian and anyone that isnt: kills, steals, lies, and fucks married folk"

I have no idea where you interpret that.

All i said was the athiests i know follow a strict moral code. Where does that say:
"I'm a christian and anyone that isnt: kills, steals, lies, and fucks married folk"?

Geez talk about making shit up

If youre not a christian, how do you know theyre 'athiests' and what does that make you?

Maybe because they told me they were athiests.
And if i'm not a christian then wouldn't that make me a non-christian?

Are we both speaking english here?

Are you talking about where i say: "they seemed a bit lost"?

What i meant there is that IMO they seemed a bit lost spiritually. That's certainly not a slant on athiests but just a personal observation.

Bigger if you want to attack/challange something i said I'm sure you can find better stuff I've posted to challange me on.

Bigger Business · « **Reply #15 on:** October 15, 2006, 09:21:36 PM »

i call it as i see it with little regard for punctuality or thought.

it's my thing

haider · « **Reply #16 on:** October 15, 2006, 09:23:27 PM »

Quote from: Bigger Business on October 15, 2006, 09:21:36 PM

i call it as i see it with little regard for punctuality or thought.

it's my thing

lol

Good to see you apologised for the unthoughtful comments

smaul · « **Reply #17 on:** October 16, 2006, 01:18:24 AM »

How many of the threads in this section end up pissing people off and causing meltdowns? And that's just on the internet! Interesting social experiment. No wonder so many wars are fought over religion.

OzmO · « **Reply #18 on:** October 16, 2006, 07:21:31 AM »

Quote from: Bigger Business on October 15, 2006, 09:21:36 PM

i call it as i see it with little regard for punctuality or thought.

it's my thing

Fair enough

Might want to get your eyes checked

Dos Equis · « **Reply #19 on:** October 16, 2006, 11:46:10 AM »

Quote from: Bigger Business on October 15, 2006, 03:10:24 AM

People in Australia are completely different to Americans as far as advertising their faith. I may see the odd 'fish' symbol on a car but generally christianity here is a cult. 'Born agains' are completely ridiculed and generally become outsiders to their pre 'saved' buddies, we dont tolerate that nonsense. Sure we have many thousands of christians but its a different mentality and they either keep to themselves or dont advertise the fact.

Ive never stepped into a church for any personal agenda however I was carried in once by my mother when I was 8 months old and assigned 'protestant' status. Whatever the flick that means.

As for when would I tell a christian that i dont believe in their trifle...I simply walk away, I dont owe them anything let alone my energy or time to hear another rant. I would never date someone that is religious I wouldnt knowingly hang out with religious people, because it just 'wouldnt work out'.

I use to compete on the skateboard circuit when I was a kid. I was/still am a fan of the band Bad Religion and was wearing one of their t-shirts at a christian sponsored event and was asked to change my shirt. (I wasnt wearing the shirt intentionally...was just a t-shirt) I kindly declined their request and was promptly disqualified. You think I'd care if I was running the gig and a dude turned up to skate in a 'I love jesus' t-shirt?

Im not an 'athiest' or 'agnostic', like Ive said before they're religious terms so obviously I cant be labelled as such (happy to argue).

So that being said, when would I tell someone I dont swim in their ocean? Never.

As for Beach Bum and Ozmo...your responses show your character and I feel sorry for you. You simply prove once again that christianity is a racist, hate cult. (write that down)

Speaking of angry and/or bitter people . . . .

a_joker10 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 16, 2006, 03:03:35 PM »

Faith isn't owned by the conservative left, any more than atheism is owned by the liberal left/

Both exist.

I know many conservative athiests, as well as many liberal christians. I am liberal christian, so are most of my friends. In fact the New Democrat premier in Saskatchewan, Canada, was a United Church Minister, he is both a socialist and a christian.

Most athiest I know don't talk about being an athiest unless religion is brought up. The same applies to being egonistic, gay, straight, christian, muslim. These conversations are out of the norm unless you seek them out.

Necrosis · « **Reply #21 on:** October 16, 2006, 03:22:32 PM »

bigger buisness how are you a moderator? you totally take posts out of context and form your own idea about what the person said, like ozmo was being abstract or something. your points are ridiculous also, i mean how do you get a racist hate cult out of anything that was said? you cause arguments by being ignorant and attacking members for no reason.

and atheist and agnostic are not religious terms, you can be an agnostic about many subjects and believing in no god, makes you an atheist. you can term them religious concepts all you want but that is the proper verbage. you sound very bitter and angry about something in your life as evidenced by your post.

also, you wouldnt go to a atheist convention with a shirt that says god exists, well thats the same analogy to your situation in the "christian" sponsered event. so no your point does not make any sense at all.

Necrosis · « **Reply #22 on:** October 16, 2006, 03:24:02 PM »

Quote from: Bigger Business on October 15, 2006, 09:21:36 PM

i call it as i see it with little regard for punctuality or thought.

it's my thing

god how did you become a moderator or leader of this forum. your post basically says i act without thinking and say what i want, you have beat suckmymuscle for dumbest post ever.

Bigger Business · « **Reply #23 on:** October 16, 2006, 06:11:27 PM »

So anybody that dosnt follow your train of thought is bitter? (beach bum/pole)

Dos Equis · « **Reply #24 on:** October 16, 2006, 06:50:34 PM »

Quote from: Bigger Business on October 16, 2006, 06:11:27 PM

So anybody that dosnt follow your train of thought is bitter? (beach bum/pole)

Not at all. I know a couple of atheists/agnostics that I like very much. In fact, I've accused one of them of being a closet Christian. I work with lots of people who aren't "religious" at all.

But just to review our respective comments, I made the fairly benign comment that "I don't know many atheists, but most of the ones I've encountered are angry and/or bitter." That's simply my opinion based on my personal observations.

You responded with "As for Beach Bum and Ozmo...your responses show your character and I feel sorry for you. You simply prove once again that christianity is a racist, hate cult. (write that down)[.]"

There was absolutely nothing racist, hateful, or cultish about my comments. That's why I replied "Speaking of angry and/or bitter people . . . ." You sound angry and/or bitter. I don't know if you are, but you sure sound a little uptight. Your comments were a little misdirected.

BTW, not all Christians are happy people. I know plenty of unhappy, uptight Christians.