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Re: If anyone believes GH15, you should have your head examined
« Reply #625 on: September 07, 2011, 09:50:01 PM »
Seems to me like there are many young and naive muscleboys on this site that worship this GH15 moron. This moron cant even put a sentence together. The man wants everybody to believe that you need megadoses to have any sort of pro level muscle. What a fucking fool. I love it when some of you idiots ask him what does so and so take and then GH15 responds with specific steroids used because of a certain look of the mans muscle. That is the biggest bunch of shit ever heard of. For the most part, nobody can tell what anybody is really on by looking at them. I know men and have known men who compete in the highest level of the NPC as well as the IFBB whom deliver the same look on stage and use some of the most basic gear available. No tren, no insulin, etc... Some who use just straight up test and nothing else because of money issues and legality issues. Some men are just straight up genetic freaks that can achieve sick stage day size with plain old gear and have no cash for much more and dont wanna G4P it. Some guys cant handle the insulin and some have had some bad fucking near death scares from it but still wanna chase the Sandow dream. Some of these freaks do nothing but cut the ice cream out of their daily diet and are able to rip up with nothing more. Some guys do take mega doses, no doubt about it. But those guys dont last very long. Trust me. They dont last long and do not make it to the top. They end up sick as fucking dogs. While I have busted guys like Chics balls on this site many a times, I am telling you that Bob Chics words about top guys taking WAY less than you think is totally fucking true. These guys are fucking freaks of nature. They respond to gear like an untrained black dude responds to nothing but pushups. If 99% of you guys took even half of the so called fantasy doses that GH15 writes about, you would either end up in and ICU unit in a short time or even if you could handle it, you would NEVER end up looking even 1/5th of the size of a top pro.

Think about this for a second. If the greats of the 1970's. Pick a few. Arnold, Oliva, Serge Nubret, Franco, Skalzak, Draper, Mentzer, Viator could achieve the size that they did via the total basics....Dianabol, Deca, Primobolan Acetate, Durabolin, Anavar. NO INSULIN. NO GH. NO CLEN. NO DNP.  Even if they took large doses of this shit, how come nobody else in  other hardcore gyms in Amercia was walking around looking like them. They were freaks!!! Now just imagine if these greats had now just added a few IUs of modern GH to their stacks? Then added carbs to their diets? And actually took steroids and GH year round? They would have ended up like the beasts of today and they wouldntt have needed GH15 so called megadoses. For heavens sakes.......how much advanced gear do you think Sergio Oliva took? Not too advanced. Just basic shit guys and while a heavy dose, not enough to keep your right forearm in check according to GH15.

GH15 is a total moron who cant even speak or write the language. The man probably wants us all to think that he is some moderate to top level European IFBB pro who knows the inside scoop on all PEDs taken by the top men. He is probably nothing more than a foreign keyboard warrior living in Tijuana, taking mexican gear that has the body of a Mexican Lucha Libre wrestler.

Dont follow this mans dangerous fantasies regarding PED use. The guy is a fucking moron!

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Re: gh15 why does it seem only test should go over 1g pro cycles
« Reply #626 on: September 07, 2011, 09:54:53 PM »
Back in my day it was all Deca-Durabolin and "Ciba" Dianabol (or Primobolin Depot instead of the Deca), which is what I preferred. Testosterone was mainly used by the power lifters (from what I knew). And if you didn't grow from 200mg of Deca-Durabolin a week and 20mg of Dianabol a day you would not grow on anything. But that was from pharmaceutical grade products too.

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Re: gh15 why does it seem only test should go over 1g pro cycles
« Reply #627 on: September 07, 2011, 10:32:51 PM »
Good question.  I'd like to hear GH15s opinion on that too. 

It's also been said that the bodybuilders in the Middle East have a different look because they DO NOT use as much test as American BB's do.   I wonder what they then use to compensate...

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Re: gh15 why does it seem only test should go over 1g pro cycles
« Reply #628 on: September 07, 2011, 10:37:39 PM »
guys also this comes to mind. Everyone talks about test ageing your face. That and tren. But they say old man face from test lol. So test reduces collagan which is in your skin to. Makes it horrid. Look at todays bbers all look old like they would point out titus and shit. Don't look at jay cause he's a bit of a pretty boy prob lots of nice cosmetics lol.

but than look at 70 bbers who used lotsa deca. Which increases collagen systhesis . Look at arnie and all the guys in pumping iron. All had smooth faces they looked mature but not like a catchers mitt wrinkled and worn out even the late 30 year olds. And today alot of old faces well mostly 90s maybe dorians era where lotsa gh to help the old test face. Just my thought. Cause I wouldn't mind saving my face. Everyone comments that I look 10 yeara older lol.

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Re: gh15 why does it seem only test should go over 1g pro cycles
« Reply #629 on: September 07, 2011, 11:18:29 PM »
Testosterone is really a complex- VERY COMPLEX- hormone. It cracks me up that you guys consistently say the same shit- will 500mgs build 10lbs of muscle, if so will 750mgs build 12 lbs of muscle etc etc. As if this hormone could be broken down to a simple rubric which one could follow to build the desired muscle! Not!!!

Test has certain "threshold" dosages that I am aware of. Basically when you inject a certain amount of test some of it binds to the AR, some of it is reduced via dehydroxy-5 reductase (I can easily have that spelled wrong, doesn't matter, converts test to inferior DHT in many tissues throughout the body) some is converted to estrogen and some is simply bound up via SHBG and used for various metabolic processes.

The crucial point is- everyone is different! Meaning, some guys when they shoot test their shbg and other enzymes are low and the bulk is used to build muscle tissue. They explode on low doses. Other guys need much higher doses because their bodie's are better at-not building muscle quickly.

The dosing thresholds go like this-at 1g per week (regardless of ester) and above, almost anyone will see full androgen receptor saturation. This means they are building muscle at 100% of capacity (as far as test is concerned).

However, there will naturally be some spillover. If the AR is saturated, naturally other things happen. For the most part the bulk will be converted to estrogen or bound and basically wasted. BUT, and this is a huge and crucial BUT, there will also be enough left over to totally suppress CORTISOL. This is where the magical 1g per week number came from- it was theorized that at exactly that dosage (and higher) cortisol will be completely blunted.

If you are trying to build muscle, this is where you want to be no question.

What I might advise, which is very logical- run some Winstrol for about 2 weeks prior to running your test at a dose around 50mgs ED. Stack this with about 1.0-2.0mgs Letrozole ED and prime yourself with at least 4-8 IU's GH ED. Then, at around the 2 week mark, blast yourself with 1g or more of test. You will literally explode.

Guys taking 4-5 grams of test a week are wasting the majority of it and they don't even know it. With EVERY STEROID your body will reach a saturation point where more is not better. At this point you need to really look into drug synergy, but that is another topic.

I am not an expert, or guru, or even a pro, so take my advice at face value. Just some random guy on the internet...

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Re: gh15 why does it seem only test should go over 1g pro cycles
« Reply #630 on: September 07, 2011, 11:34:11 PM »
griontropin. I think our main question isn't is test good. I know it builds mass and dense muscle. And like gh15 says thickness.

but also like gh15 has said he was his biggest without test. Just deca and eq. Andhes also stated a feq times that one of the pros secrets is they don't always run test. They only cycle it.

but everyone that isn't a pro always touts oh test only teat highest. Test best lol.

but gh15 is vague and never super in detail as he seems to release his info slowly and at points in time. But from what he has said its got atleast me pondering. That test isn't needed constantly. And it seems the others like deca eq dbol maybe the better mass builders for the many of us that lack the pure size and muscle weight to get where we want. And test sometimes really fucks some of us up.

I know I for one would like to hear more from gh15 cause I would love to only have to cycle test in and out to save the side effects and run the more anabolics so I don't have to get gyno surgery again from test and lose anymore hair. Which both only test causes for me.

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Re: gh15 why does it seem only test should go over 1g pro cycles
« Reply #631 on: September 07, 2011, 11:45:50 PM »
guys also this comes to mind. Everyone talks about test ageing your face. That and tren. But they say old man face from test lol. So test reduces collagan which is in your skin to. Makes it horrid. Look at todays bbers all look old like they would point out titus and shit. Don't look at jay cause he's a bit of a pretty boy prob lots of nice cosmetics lol.

but than look at 70 bbers who used lotsa deca. Which increases collagen systhesis . Look at arnie and all the guys in pumping iron. All had smooth faces they looked mature but not like a catchers mitt wrinkled and worn out even the late 30 year olds. And today alot of old faces well mostly 90s maybe dorians era where lotsa gh to help the old test face. Just my thought. Cause I wouldn't mind saving my face. Everyone comments that I look 10 yeara older lol.

I never thought of that or look at it that way. Good post. But today's BB take way more gh than back then and isn't gh much more of an anti-aging hormone than Deca or Eq? And it still seems to be genetic. Jay doesn't look old for a guy nearing 40 whereas Branch, who is about the same age, could easily past for a man in his 50s. Of course if you are Black, generally speaking, you are always at an advantage over White folks in the aging game.

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Re: gh15 why does it seem only test should go over 1g pro cycles
« Reply #632 on: September 07, 2011, 11:55:52 PM »
I never thought of that or look at it that way. Good post. But today's BB take way more gh than back then and isn't gh much more of an anti-aging hormone than Deca or Eq? And it still seems to be genetic. Jay doesn't look old for a guy nearing 40 whereas Branch, who is about the same age, could easily past for a man in his 50s. Of course if you are Black, generally speaking, you are always at an advantage over White folks in the aging game.


I think when you look at titus now with no gh in him all the test abuse shows. But I see ur point on branch. Maybe he runs to much test and can't afford as much gh as jay LOL just joking but never know.

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Re: Smoking Gun on G15's identity?
« Reply #633 on: September 08, 2011, 09:08:42 AM »
come on guys 24 hours later and only 3 replies i changed the thread title to get more opinions on this thanks

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Re: Smoking Gun on G15's identity?
« Reply #634 on: September 08, 2011, 09:12:17 AM »
,, get the name right homo,, ::)

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Re: Smoking Gun on G15's identity?
« Reply #635 on: September 08, 2011, 09:18:25 AM »
consider the following

*he thinks bodybuilding is an evil cult, doesn't recommend it to anyone, but willing to lead the way for the ones already sucked in

*a confusing blend of bitterness (no offense), elitism, and friendlyness

*hates supplements extremely hard

*hates "natural" bodybuilders

*thinks above average penis size is over rated

*thinks you should not take love for granted

*thinks of the children

*sort of a working class bodybuilder's hero with his instructionals on "bodybuilding for the poor"

*hates a lot of bodybuilders, but really admires samir bannout

*likes old white people music

*sounds like a real real pervert when you see his porn and the whores comments


just sayin'

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Re: Smoking Gun on G15's identity?
« Reply #636 on: September 08, 2011, 09:19:56 AM »
if gh15 is Nasser then why does everyone pay attn to him so much, we all know Nasser had shit BB genetics, no back, no legs, no arms, abused slin, tons of oil

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Re: Smoking Gun on G15's identity?
« Reply #637 on: September 08, 2011, 09:26:39 AM »
if gh15 is Nasser then why does everyone pay attn to him so much, we all know Nasser had shit BB genetics, no back, no legs, no arms, tons of oil

Because at one point, he was one of the best bodybuilders in the world? Because he's been to the top and knows what it's like to be at the top? Because he has done it himself? Because he is also brutally honest? ::)

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Re: Smoking Gun on G15's identity?
« Reply #638 on: September 08, 2011, 09:38:49 AM »
Not at the top, but close to it.  Close enough to share some good information about BBing that people dont get elsewhere?  Yes.  But not close enough that we should take all the info he says as gospel, especially since Nasser was disenchanted with the BBing world and had spats with many top competitors (chiwawa for example), so it is not all truth this gh15 says

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Re: Smoking Gun on G15's identity?
« Reply #639 on: September 08, 2011, 09:55:18 AM »
if gh15 is Nasser then why does everyone pay attn to him so much, we all know Nasser had shit BB genetics, no back, no legs, no arms, abused slin, tons of oil
Plus his shit genetics would strengthen his case of bbing being all about drugs being what he was able to achieve with his shit genetics, the real ugly and shady side of things.

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Re: Smoking Gun on G15's identity?
« Reply #640 on: September 08, 2011, 10:02:09 AM »
i have a feeling nasser used a lot more gear to get to his best shape than someone like lionel beyeke, shawn ray, or chris cormier did.  hormones are of utmost importance but i don't think nasser's genetic response to anabolics was very good compared to most BBers

so he may be under a false impression as to what amount of gear it takes to reach the top, since it differs per person

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Re: Smoking Gun on G15's identity?
« Reply #641 on: September 08, 2011, 10:03:16 AM »
Plus his shit genetics would strengthen his case of bbing being all about drugs being what he was able to achieve with his shit genetics, the real ugly and shady side of things.

ALL THE PROS ON FORUMS(LIMITED AMOUNT) SAY THE EXACT SAME THING OR REALLY THEY DON'T DENY IT AND JUST ATTEST TO IT.

LOOK AROUND, NO PRO DISPUTES HIS STUFF. ITS THE WANNABES THAT DISPUTE IT.THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES.


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Re: Smoking Gun on G15's identity?
« Reply #642 on: September 08, 2011, 10:03:38 AM »
Who gh15 is, is not important.  The information gh15 gives out FOR FREE is.

gh15 has literally spelled out what it takes to become a pro.  If you want to say it's Nasser and you think Nasser has shit genetics then that is all the more reason to believe him because that just proves as gh15 has said many times, that you don't need good genetics to be pro.

Some people think gh15 is full of shit while others turn pro.

Bottom line is this: Whether gh15 is DJ, Nasser, a shared account, a gimmick, or whatever, it doesn't matter because the information is gold!  

If a book is written one day and the identity released, it will be worth reading.  However, until then, just enjoy the info and enjoy the bible!

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Re: Smoking Gun on G15's identity?
« Reply #643 on: September 08, 2011, 10:06:00 AM »
I mostly enjoy reading his broken English now days about americano fellas and their use of testosterona and insulina to attract the americana whores.

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Re: Smoking Gun on G15's identity?
« Reply #644 on: September 08, 2011, 10:07:09 AM »
B-boy himself told people to read the bible. Look at that guy's physique, ffs. That alone should tell you the bible is GOLD!

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Re: Smoking Gun on G15's identity?
« Reply #645 on: September 08, 2011, 10:07:58 AM »
if gh15 is Nasser then why does everyone pay attn to him so much, we all know Nasser had shit BB genetics, no back, no legs, no arms, abused slin, tons of oil

The emergency alarm in Bigbobs' bedroom must be ringing at a deafening level in response to this post ;D

He will join us in this thread as soon as he can.

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Re: Smoking Gun on G15's identity?
« Reply #646 on: September 08, 2011, 10:13:54 AM »
i have a feeling nasser used a lot more gear to get to his best shape than someone like lionel beyeke, shawn ray, or chris cormier did.  hormones are of utmost importance but i don't think nasser's genetic response to anabolics was very good compared to most BBers
so he may be under a false impression as to what amount of gear it takes to reach the top, since it differs per person

And where are you getting that assumption from?  The fact that he was the largest in contest-shape man onstage suggests he didn't have as good genetic response to anabolics, wtf?   ::)

And why do you assume Ray, Cormier, etc. took less than him? 

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Re: Smoking Gun on G15's identity?
« Reply #647 on: September 08, 2011, 10:15:58 AM »
The emergency alarm in Bigbobs' bedroom must be ringing at a deafening level in response to this post ;D

He will join us in this thread as soon as he can.

6 minutes after you called it, not bad :)

Plus his shit genetics would strengthen his case of bbing being all about drugs being what he was able to achieve with his shit genetics, the real ugly and shady side of things.

Runner up for the biggest show + winner of the second and third biggest shows, all with "shit genetics"  Only on getbig lol  ::)

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Re: Smoking Gun on G15's identity?
« Reply #648 on: September 08, 2011, 10:17:25 AM »
If you are nasser, I get it...I totally get it. You were known as one of the most abusive drug using bodybuilders in history. Does this sound familiar? "If all the syringes I used were thrown into this restraurant, I would be standing knee high"....your former buddy (what was his name Pappas/white truck?)....So no doubt human nature is if you used more drugs than virtually anyone outside of Titus in the modern bodybuilding era, you have an axe to grind. I dont know you personally, I have never wanted to from what Ive heard from way too many sources to count...because your reputation in San Diego is awful....one of the most disliked individuals around with a trail of burnt friends and associates a mile long. What happened to all your friends (that arent fans of yours?) From various trainers at Frogs in Solana beach and Cardiff to general managers at various gyms around....you have to be one of the most despised (forget pro bodybuilder I can just use the word) people around....and its not a jealousy thing with people towards a pro bodybuilder....you just have burned so many bridges with various individuals that you are hated. When one guy says another guy is a jerk my notion is there are two sides to the story. When 35 people tell you that guy is a jackass, no doubt that guy is a jackass. I went into a gym the other day and the general manager of it asks "Do you know Nasser?"...I reply "I know of him"....he then politely tells me yet another Nasser story of a bridge you burned (and this guy isnt a bodybuilder in the least).....From Dave, John and Brian Killion (who almost beat your ass at Frogs back a few years ago), and too numerous to count people around San Diego, I get it....it is what it is...some people just arent "good people".....your actions toward various people in the sport and around San Diego precede you...if thats the legacy you want so be it....your doing a great job of being the bitter drug abusing ex pro bodybuilder who has a very clouded sense of self importance. Clarity: your just a guy who got up onstage in posing trunks and was very good at it...in the grand scheme of things its about as important as the guy who unclogs the toilet. (This is where you do that 5 paragraph thing again of how you are this and that and top of the food chain, scrambling off into trenbolona and whatever else) ..... when you get done typing that up for the 2000th time remember to turn to the mirror and think "wow Im a 46 year old man writing this"

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Re: Smoking Gun on G15's identity?
« Reply #649 on: September 08, 2011, 10:18:36 AM »
6 minutes after you called it, not bad :)

Runner up for the biggest show + winner of the second and third biggest shows, all with "shit genetics"  Only on getbig lol  ::)
I was complimenting Huge Nasser.