Gh15? Who was GH15?

[kohl]

by the way this is kohl

apparently a huge body builder transformed by reading bible and one of gh 15s top poopils

Aah, just came home from a great night out with lots of champagne and hot black girls. The wonderful guy you are shitting your pants for and know as gh15 also did. And that while some losers were sitting behind their computer desk posting bullshit. You can imagine I'm feeling good!

Now what do I see here? Is that me in that pic? Nope. Guy looks nice, but he looks like he doesn't lift and I do. Does this mean that I'm gonna hurry now to post a pic of my true self? Nope. Kiss my ass. I'm above that. I ain't no 20 year old moron posting his own pics on a public forum.

If you really want a picture of me to jerk off to every night, ask one of the guys over here who do know me.

Ciao amigos, I need to go to a nicer place now! ;-)

[pellius]

Dat's forum is a wealth of research and knowledge, but it's not really a bodybuilding website.  A lot of interesting stuff, but it's really about life-extension/longevity and well-being (not that there's anything wrong with that)

Idk, I go there every now and then but its not my cup of tea

Actually, that's exactly my cup of tea. Not really hard core bodybuilding. Interested in all things having to do with health and longevity. Need link.

[pellius]

by the way this is kohl

apparently a huge body builder transformed by reading bible and one of gh 15s top poopils

Sorry, not Kohl. I know Kohl and this is not him. I've communicate a lot with Kohl and one thing that surprised me was how accomplished he is in life. His business affairs takes him all over the world. I was often taken aback at how the gh15 board attracted a lot of accomplish men in real life. This board does too but this is an everything board. gh15 is more hardcore bodybuilding so I always expect mostly people whose life revolves around bodybuilding. Kohl is like a modern day renaissance man.

Talking to him I felt like I was talking to a businessman in his late forties early fifties. I was shocked when I saw his picture. He looks like a guy in his late twenties early thirties with a pretty boy face and a pussy slayer physique. I felt like such a loser. I hope Kohl doesn't mind me posting a pic but I'll block out his face but we have to be fair here.

[bigmc]

What? It's because he was behind the kigs scam. He was the marketing it constantly on the board. He was the one who said he over saw the operation and had his "people" in China over looking the operation. He, along with whore bboy, were out and out crooks and criminals. 

Insignificant? People lost thousands. -b- ripped off tons of people. This is what started this whole damn thing. The reason this almost 300 page post exist. The kigtopin scam was the biggest scam in bodybuilding history.

Seriously?

how do you explain the two times the scam was run before b and b-boy were involved

[bigmc]

Sorry, not Kohl. I know Kohl and this is not him. I've communicate a lot with Kohl and one thing that surprised me was how accomplished he is in life. His business affairs takes him all over the world. I was often taken aback at how the gh15 board attracted a lot of accomplish men in real life. This board does too but this is an everything board. gh15 is more hardcore bodybuilding so I always expect mostly people whose life revolves around bodybuilding. Kohl is like a modern day renaissance man.

Talking to him I felt like I was talking to a businessman in his late forties early fifties. I was shocked when I saw his picture. He looks like a guy in his late twenties early thirties with a pretty boy face and a pussy slayer physique. I felt like such a loser. I hope Kohl doesn't mind me posting a pic but I'll block out his face but we have to be fair here.

looks great there 

props to him

he must be using the ip address of the guy whos pic i posted i never knew you could do that 

if he posted that pic it must be him not like anyone would post a fake pic on the internetz

[galeniko]

How do you know its the same IP?

comeon this is easy to find out.


theres even more stuff thats easy to find out.

if someone wanted to, could find everything.

theres companies doing that for you in the uk, for rather little money.,

even the cops in uk use that service, you know, when judges dont give ok to look for such things.

[galeniko]

if he was a top 6 mr o competitor in the era he said he could only have been one of a few people cos he said when he first joined here where he was from. that is now deleted however and i cant post it.

there are a few clues around. its hard to say, pro or not he does know his shit i dont think that can be denied.

its not only the posts off here from years back but the little things that confirm he knows his stuff.
like humatrope causing more water than genos and nordis drying out better than other gh. its all true.

pro or not hes been around the block with gear use imho.
the chances of him being pro from that era are small in all honesty but that doesnt mean he isnt a very good bodybuilder nonetheless.
we can all guess but the posts about gear do speak for themselves.
if im being honest i do agree with you, its not likely that hes a pro from that era and from that coruntry.
i could be wrong though, to me it dont matter a whole lot. the classic posts from here especially are gold for any aspiring bodybuilde

stop the nonsense your emaking yourself look uhm, not up to par mentally.

gh is chemicaly gh, theres no more water nothing retention, jesus wept, you cant let go ,you still want to believe.

also can still be hearsay, again,the guy is unknown to most of you, your ebelieving words on a screen from faceleess poster,lol.

all true hgh is all the same, but the punk newcomers would off never in all those years have theirs tested you realize how daft this is?
and then the smoke bomb "causes different water retention".please, the body response and diet causes that.

alex knows who it is,go ask him,i dont even care or i would have asked.

a clear brain is enough to know hes full of bullshit.

[galeniko]

Sorry, not Kohl. I know Kohl and this is not him. I've communicate a lot with Kohl and one thing that surprised me was how accomplished he is in life. His business affairs takes him all over the world. I was often taken aback at how the gh15 board attracted a lot of accomplish men in real life. This board does too but this is an everything board. gh15 is more hardcore bodybuilding so I always expect mostly people whose life revolves around bodybuilding. Kohl is like a modern day renaissance man.

Talking to him I felt like I was talking to a businessman in his late forties early fifties. I was shocked when I saw his picture. He looks like a guy in his late twenties early thirties with a pretty boy face and a pussy slayer physique. I felt like such a loser. I hope Kohl doesn't mind me posting a pic but I'll block out his face but we have to be fair here.

i hope thats a natural physique.

if this is the level used tot ell the kids they need gh then im speechless.

sorry very much, theres no way i gonna sugarcoat this.lol.

this guy shouldnt even be talking about hormones, i look like that even after not stepping into a gym for 2 years.

no joke

[Conker]

What? It's because he was behind the kigs scam. He was the marketing it constantly on the board. He was the one who said he over saw the operation and had his "people" in China over looking the operation. He, along with whore bboy, were out and out crooks and criminals. 

Insignificant? People lost thousands. -b- ripped off tons of people. This is what started this whole damn thing. The reason this almost 300 page post exist. The kigtopin scam was the biggest scam in bodybuilding history.

Seriously?

The bolded is not quite true. the Kig scam was going way before -b- came along, didn't b come along with pro source? I wouldn't be surprised if -b- was just a gh15 gimmick. I remember reading the 15 site after the NQK scam was outed and 15 was going on about how he had to find legit kigs again as they were the holy grail blahblahblah , then all of a sudden -b- popped up from what appeared to be nowhere and amazingly had found a new legit source for kigs!

-b- was no doubt just a figment of 15's imagination used to get rid of more bunk kits of kigs he was sitting on and a ready made scapegoat when that scam was uncovered.

[FitnessFrenzy]

[galeniko]

Did you answer the question somewhere in that reply?

nah

[kushtestgrowth]

i hope thats a natural physique.

if this is the level used tot ell the kids they need gh then im speechless.

sorry very much, theres no way i gonna sugarcoat this.lol.

this guy shouldnt even be talking about hormones, i look like that even after not stepping into a gym for 2 years.

no joke

haha I agree, that dudes physique is terrible for a hormone abuser... I wouldnt go as much to say natural gal but yes he looks like he shit in comparison to what hes probably running, and someone mentioned gh right ? lol

[galeniko]

haha I agree, that dudes physique is terrible for a hormone abuser... I wouldnt go as much to say natural gal but yes he looks like he shit in comparison to what hes probably running, and someone mentioned gh right ? lol

and then claims expert know it all on gear,and then the newbies will conclude if this guy runs this,then phil heath must run that.

if gh 155 site done anything, it has proven that genetics are more important than anything else.seriously,this puts everything into different perspective,lol.

i look better than that off the gym entirely for years, im not joking.

no mater what id do int those 3 yesrs, be it fishing, be it trecking, id ahve more mass and leaner.

this is pathetic,sorry kohl, but you oughta talk less and train more.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

What? It's because he was behind the kigs scam. He was the marketing it constantly on the board. He was the one who said he over saw the operation and had his "people" in China over looking the operation. He, along with whore bboy, were out and out crooks and criminals.  

Insignificant? People lost thousands. -b- ripped off tons of people. This is what started this whole damn thing. The reason this almost 300 page post exist. The kigtopin scam was the biggest scam in bodybuilding history.

Seriously?

You missed my point entirely. What he did wrong was irrelevant to me at the time, because I didn't think he did anything wrong.

My point was why should I have taken gh15's word when he accused b of all those things? He had accused MANY innocent former members of all sorts of lies, so why should I have thought any differently with b? Case in point, calling people narcotics dealers just because he didn't like them anymore. Therefore, I didn't hold anything against b because I didn't initially believe the word of a known liar and psychopath. To be honest, I never really talked to him before. I never paid attention to any kigs posts, usually skipped over them.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

no way, sorry but not even close.. obviously you havent visited dats board... that place is a fucking library of deep and expansive knowledge on pretty much everything having to do with the human body and bodybuilding.. Its quite incredible really.

I thought his board was only peptides and hgh? I went there once and the language was way over my head. Too long and scientific for me, so I lost interest.

When it comes to pure bodybuilding knowledge, professional muscle is the best board out there, bar none.

[pellius]

how do you explain the two times the scam was run before b and b-boy were involved

That was the original scam master mind by Kublai and pimped by whore bboy. Remember, gh15 only endorse Defiant Lab's kigs. It was bboy who endorse Kamikaze/Kublai. I still have bboy's PM to me saying that Kami/Kublai had the real deal. Also remember that bboy switched his allegiance to gh15 and thumb his nose at Dante and Big A. You can read back through bboy's post history where he kisses gh15's ass. I posted all that on the Kig thread here when we were going back and forth. gh15 said that since whore bboy is with "us" and he's "top bodybuild" he will trust whore bboy's recommendation. But whore bboy was playing us from the start. He was always with Big A and the ProMus gang which was all IP. That sucking up to gh15 was just part of the set up. 

Scam two came when Kublai said that he broke off on his own and got rid of Kamikaze. He said Kami was just a businessman and knew nothing about bbing and hgh. He claimed their suppliers played Kami like a fiddle. He said that he convince the suppliers that they would make a mint if they just produce a consistent product and because he, Kublai, was a bodybuilder he would be testing the products himself. So again they sent out some good stuff but this time they didn't switch to total bunk. Just way underdosed shit. When gh15 caught the bad stuff he halted all sales to Kublai. Again Kublai said his suppliers were fucking him again. That's when -b- showed up and said that he had a lot of connections in China. He acted like Don Corleon and was involved with organized crime and made allusions that he was with the Triad. He would straighten things out and set Kublai up with the right people and that -b- would have his people overseeing the operation. "Standing over them with bats in hand -- lol." We all bought it like chumps. I even said that -b- was like our knight in shining armor. Finally we had someone, one of our own, that we could trust and would look out for us. And whore bboy was endorsing him. LOL! I don't blame everyone for laughing at us. We were chumps. Suckers and chumps. Wanting something so bad blinded everyone to reason. 

 So same thing, we fell for it again. Good stuff in the beginning until sales took off and bunk for everybody else. The reason why gh15 was such a sucker was because he so wanted the product. He so wanted to believe he could have unlimited access to legit kigs. He even told me much later that he would forgive -b- if he could provide legit kigs again. That's how desperate and obsessed he is with the product. He'd over look and forgive everything just so he can get his precious kigs.  He just couldn't stop talking about. Everyone on the board was sick of it. When someone would ask advice about something. How to improve a weak point or get better conditioning -- anything really. gh15 would always reply that he needs legit kigtropin which of course helps no one because nobody is getting any anytime soon. gh15 might as well just have said you just need some gene splicing and DNA manipulation and the you'd lose that pooch just below the belly button. His advice was meaningless and frustrating for the person asking for advice to hear. I would just PM these people and say the next time you have a question for gh15 always preface your question with: "Without the use of legit kigs how can I ...."

But I went over all this with agonizing detail on the kig thread here a year and a half ago.

[pellius]

The bolded is not quite true. the Kig scam was going way before -b- came along, didn't b come along with pro source? I wouldn't be surprised if -b- was just a gh15 gimmick. I remember reading the 15 site after the NQK scam was outed and 15 was going on about how he had to find legit kigs again as they were the holy grail blahblahblah , then all of a sudden -b- popped up from what appeared to be nowhere and amazingly had found a new legit source for kigs!

-b- was no doubt just a figment of 15's imagination used to get rid of more bunk kits of kigs he was sitting on and a ready made scapegoat when that scam was uncovered.

No, I didn't mean the -b- scam specifically. I meant the entire kig scam. And -b- is not a gimmick. Why do people always accuse someone of being a gimmick. It's like a default position. People use to think I was an Alex23 gimmick. -b- left and started his own board and it's still out there. But people are going to believe what they want. I just say what I know because I was there witnessing and part of the whole thing. I'm not just speculating. I have PM's between -b- and gh15 which I already posted on the kig thread in which you, conker, also were on that thread. I remember you because I thought you were a big fatso but when you posted a pic I had to admit I was wrong.  But people only remember what they want to remember. They'll just say that gh15 was PMing himself hoping that the PMs would be expose and will prove he's not -b-. It was just all part of the plan. The same thing was said when people thought Sev was gh15. When someone posted a PM of Sev asking gh15 for advice regarding his erection problems and people were saying it was fake and it was just gh15 PMing himself.

[dustin]

Who cares about the Kigs saga anymore?

We came. We saw. We got sugar waters. The end.

[pellius]

haha I agree, that dudes physique is terrible for a hormone abuser... I wouldnt go as much to say natural gal but yes he looks like he shit in comparison to what hes probably running, and someone mentioned gh right ? lol

So, if he looks like shit "for what he's prbably running" if he wanted to look better should he use less? And what exactly is he prbably running? I've talked to him extensively and I have no idea what he uses. How do you know? But I would love to see what level you have achieve for what you are or are not "probably running".

If you think Kohl's physique is so terrible then you for sure must have a much better physique. Lets see if you can back up your critique.

[wes]

looks great there 

props to him

he must be using the ip address of the guy whos pic i posted i never knew you could do that 

if he posted that pic it must be him not like anyone would post a fake pic on the internetz

I have seen kohls real pics also,and the real one is the one Pellius posted.

No dog in this fight,just saying.

[pellius]

You missed my point entirely. What he did wrong was irrelevant to me at the time, because I didn't think he did anything wrong.

My point was why should I have taken gh15's word when he accused b of all those things? He had accused MANY innocent former members of all sorts of lies, so why should I have thought any differently with b? Case in point, calling people narcotics dealers just because he didn't like them anymore. Therefore, I didn't hold anything against b because I didn't initially believe the word of a known liar and psychopath. To be honest, I never really talked to him before. I never paid attention to any kigs posts, usually skipped over them.

You don't think it was wrong to rip people off for thousands of dollars? OK, fair enough. Often a disagreement occurs due to lack of clarity. Each not knowing where the other is coming from and assuming they share the same value system. And we definitely have a diametrically opposed value system.  

And no one was taking gh15's word on -b- they were taking there own first hand experience with -b-. Micro, a long time trusted vet on the boards, even had his tested when it wasn't giving him the magic that he expected. It tested out as complete bunk. When he posted the results on -b-'s board he was banned.

[pellius]

Who cares about the Kigs saga anymore?

We came. We saw. We got sugar waters. The end.

LMAO!

[wes]

That was the original scam master mind by Kublai and pimped by whore bboy. Remember, gh15 only endorse Defiant Lab's kigs. It was bboy who endorse Kamikaze/Kublai. I still have bboy's PM to me saying that Kami/Kublai had the real deal. Also remember that bboy switched his allegiance to gh15 and thumb his nose at Dante and Big A. You can read back through bboy's post history where he kisses gh15's ass. I posted all that on the Kig thread here when we were going back and forth. gh15 said that since whore bboy is with "us" and he's "top bodybuild" he will trust whore bboy's recommendation. But whore bboy was playing us from the start. He was always with Big A and the ProMus gang which was all IP. That sucking up to gh15 was just part of the set up. 

Scam two came when Kublai said that he broke off on his own and got rid of Kamikaze. He said Kami was just a businessman and knew nothing about bbing and hgh. He claimed their suppliers played Kami like a fiddle. He said that he convince the suppliers that they would make a mint if they just produce a consistent product and because he, Kublai, was a bodybuilder he would be testing the products himself. So again they sent out some good stuff but this time they didn't switch to total bunk. Just way underdosed shit. When gh15 caught the bad stuff he halted all sales to Kublai. Again Kublai said his suppliers were fucking him again. That's when -b- showed up and said that he had a lot of connections in China. He acted like Don Corleon and was involved with organized crime and made allusions that he was with the Triad. He would straighten things out and set Kublai up with the right people and that -b- would have his people overseeing the operation. "Standing over them with bats in hand -- lol." We all bought it like chumps. I even said that -b- was like our knight in shining armor. Finally we had someone, one of our own, that we could trust and would look out for us. And whore bboy was endorsing him. LOL! I don't blame everyone for laughing at us. We were chumps. Suckers and chumps. Wanting something so bad blinded everyone to reason. 

 So same thing, we fell for it again. Good stuff in the beginning until sales took off and bunk for everybody else. The reason why gh15 was such a sucker was because he so wanted the product. He so wanted to believe he could have unlimited access to legit kigs. He even told me much later that he would forgive -b- if he could provide legit kigs again. That's how desperate and obsessed he is with the product. He'd over look and forgive everything just so he can get his precious kigs.  He just couldn't stop talking about. Everyone on the board was sick of it. When someone would ask advice about something. How to improve a weak point or get better conditioning -- anything really. gh15 would always reply that he needs legit kigtropin which of course helps no one because nobody is getting any anytime soon. gh15 might as well just have said you just need some gene splicing and DNA manipulation and the you'd lose that pooch just below the belly button. His advice was meaningless and frustrating for the person asking for advice to hear. I would just PM these people and say the next time you have a question for gh15 always preface your question with: "Without the use of legit kigs how can I ...."

But I went over all this with agonizing detail on the kig thread here a year and a half ago.

Sounds like a bad movie script!! 

You couldn`t make this stuff up. 

[gee38]

who are the central protagonists in all three scams pellius?

GH15

so either he got damn unlucky three times and mugged over three times in the same way or he was in on it.

also I assume the people you mentioned are not heads of the mafia so surely the all powerful one  could have done something. only he did nothing. as best he was complicit in the scam at worst he was behind it. either way without him promoting kits it couldn't have happened. I posted on here directly to him that if he was all powerful, worth millions he could cover the money people got scammed. but he couldn't.

ironically he ended up like someone following his barmy cycles- largely impotent.

[eightyfive]

who are the central protagonists in all three scams pellius?

GH15

so either he got damn unlucky three times and mugged over three times in the same way or he was in on it.

also I assume the people you mentioned are not heads of the mafia so surely the all powerful one  could have done something. only he did nothing. as best he was complicit in the scam at worst he was behind it. either way without him promoting kits it couldn't have happened. I posted on here directly to him that if he was all powerful, worth millions he could cover the money people got scammed. but he couldn't.

ironically he ended up like someone following his barmy cycles- largely impotent.

you are obsessed with this guy almost as much as bigmc

I was on the inside when it went down, I outed -b- and bboy as scammers. Those guys directly ripped of A LOT of people, and they didn't even deny it. They didn't come here and say gh15 did it blah blah, we weren't behind it. -b- went and started his own forum and you can see for yourself how well he's doing. gh15 basically came out looking bad and that's fair, but he wasn't behind it. I hope he was humbled by it but if you give him a sniff of legit kigtropin I think he will rip his own arms out get it in his blood. That's really what it was about, believe it or not. Me and admin were always trying to piece together what was happening and we investigated ourself and it all just comes down to gh15 being obsessed with the legit kigs to the point that he would risk getting scammed to get his hands on it. neither me or admin understood this and we were pulling our hair out and in the end I ended up just losing respect and getting banned.

At some point I had all of -b-'s info, his address, his history, etc. He claimed to be going back and forth to China when it turned out he was just a middle of america idiot who never left his hometown. His involvement could have been just as a rep for IP or he could have invented Kublai and relabled fake hgh to run the scam. Both of them will wind up behind bars because lets face it they are idiots. Imagine bboy at a convention confronted by the 150 guys he ripped off? Great job mr pro you're my hero lol.

Thats the internet bb scene and it's pathetic and I wash my hands of it. I think I may have to get my hands on something because I am going in for back surgery soon and it will help me a lot, but as far as ever being involved in the politics of it, fuck that