is this the end of GUNTER?

[Chick]

but why are some veterans kept repeating the same mistakes and never seem to be able to past the Hurdles and dial it in on time. Is it mental or some guys just don't get it. Dennis james is all too famous for looking great 2 or 3 weeks before a show, only to fall victim to his own mistake a couple days out. I'm sure help is somehow available to those who can't or don't know how to hit the bull's eye

They're not making the same mistakes...they're making DIFFERENT mistakes, trying new techniques, changing shit up at the last minute, and nitpicking...bodybuilder s will tend to zero in on one little area they think they are holding water, and sacrifice the look of 4 bodyparts to try and get one "dialed in".

This was the very problem which led to me going from the "great white hope" in 1987 to a "13 year overnight sensation"....at the end of the day, I went back to some of the same basics that I used when I diodn't know shit...

[MikeThaMachine]

Sure...someone post a picture of Gunter from the '02 GNC, and one from the  '06 Olympia...you'll see the difference in 2 seconds.

"Flat" occurs when the athlete's carbing up process isn't working...basically, they are still in "depleating" mode, when they're trying to carb up...the muscles aren't taking up the carbs, and instead, the metabolism is just getting stoked even higher leading to a "flat" look....as in muscles are not full looking, they dont "pop" when flexing...

Here ya go

[Chick]

Very cool.

So they just burn any extra carbs they eat. Why would the body choose to burn the carbs vs/ taking them into the muscle? Too little/much water? Too little/much slin? To little/much diruetics? etc...?

There really needs to be a glossary of bbing terms:
--Flat
--Depleated
--pop
--ILS 

I always just read over these terms...but I'm kinda sick of not knowing exactly what people are talking about.

One reason is that an athlete will keep cardio up until the last minute, and their body is in "fat-burning" mode...when they start introducing carbs...it's like throwing gas on a fire...the bodies natural reaction to this huge inflection of carbs, is to burn it off.

Another problem is that many will use simple sugars to load, which will also tend to get burned off as opposed to using complex carbs which will load slower, but better...

I think guys tend to forget that it will take longer than 3 days to replenish glycogen supplies, when they've been on a depletion diet for the better part of 12 weeks...

Why do you think so many guys look great the day AFTER a show? Hell, even a week after a show? Because they have gotten back to "normal"...and they've had 4-6 days to carb load.

These are a few examples, but you get the point...

[the shadow]

One reason is that an athlete will keep cardio up until the last minute, and their body is in "fat-burning" mode...when they start introducing carbs...it's like throwing gas on a fire...the bodies natural reaction to this huge inflection of carbs, is to burn it off.

Another problem is that many will use simple sugars to load, which will also tend to get burned off as opposed to using complex carbs which will load slower, but better...

I think guys tend to forget that it will take longer than 3 days to replenish glycogen supplies, when they've been on a depletion diet for the better part of 12 weeks...

Why do you think so many guys look great the day AFTER a show? Hell, even a week after a show? Because they have gotten back to "normal"...and they've had 4-6 days to carb load.

These are a few examples, but you get the point...

the biggest eg is ronnie coleman when he was 2 weeks out from olympia 2002..he looked like a winner at 275lbs of shredded beef and on game day he looked like a complete loser...

[Option D]

i think you can tell in the legs of gunter. His quads look awful in the olympia

[Chick]

You could really tell in his back...If you can find any pics to compare.

[Moen]

Does anyone here honestly think the ironage pros concerned themselves so much with timing?  Arnold was eating eggs and coffee right before the show and it just seemed like he was having another meal because he was invited to breakfast by the Ferrignos.  I don't think he was thinking much about how it would affect his condition and he came in as shredded as can be.

Good point matt (as almost always coming from you, what the fuck are you doing here anyway? lol)

Today still there are a lot of trainers saying that "carbloading" doesnt work and only increases the chance to end up bloated to unnecessary degrees.

[toolarge4u]

One reason is that an athlete will keep cardio up until the last minute, and their body is in "fat-burning" mode...when they start introducing carbs...it's like throwing gas on a fire...the bodies natural reaction to this huge inflection of carbs, is to burn it off.

Another problem is that many will use simple sugars to load, which will also tend to get burned off as opposed to using complex carbs which will load slower, but better...

I think guys tend to forget that it will take longer than 3 days to replenish glycogen supplies, when they've been on a depletion diet for the better part of 12 weeks...

Why do you think so many guys look great the day AFTER a show? Hell, even a week after a show? Because they have gotten back to "normal"...and they've had 4-6 days to carb load.

These are a few examples, but you get the point...

you for hire 

[jwb]

Gunter looked a bit behind in the arm video I saw - as in still had some fat to lose which is not what you wanna still be doing 14 days out from a show - huge amounts of cardio right to the end nearly always flattens people out.

Yates always had a good plan... all fat gone by 2 weeks out, cut back on the cardio, cut back on both the volume and intensity of the weight training (kinda like the "taper" that swimmers use before a meet to "freshen up").

[jwb]

Good point matt (as almost always coming from you, what the f**k are you doing here anyway? lol)

Today still there are a lot of trainers saying that "carbloading" doesnt work and only increases the chance to end up bloated to unnecessary degrees.

The point is a lot of people are carbing up who aren't truly lean or are totally overtrained because they were so late getting strict with their diet/program.

The body will do a lot of things just don't ask it to do a lot of things at once!

[suckmymuscle]

Seriously why do you make threads that are this stupid

  I agree with you. This guy has started over a dozen threads since Sunday. Wtf?!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Blockhead]

That's EXACTLY the way it is...

The one thing you try to do through experience, is eliminate all the guess work that goes into the last 48 hrs.

Most of the problems occur with trying to do TOO MUCH in those final prep stages...where if things were just left alone, you would be better off.

Sometimes, going for an inch gets you a mile...in the wrong direction.

Well, you know what they say, Bob-O! Sometimes you get the ELEVATOR and sometimes you get the SHAFT! YouknowwhatImsayin?

[Matt C]

Good point matt (as almost always coming from you, what the f**k are you doing here anyway? lol)

Today still there are a lot of trainers saying that "carbloading" doesnt work and only increases the chance to end up bloated to unnecessary degrees.

Thanks. 

On the topic of contest prep, some of the guys say they come down with stomach viruses and end up losing all their fullness just before a show, but I would say that it is almost always misuse of diuretics that causes that.

[Debussey]

the biggest eg is ronnie coleman when he was 2 weeks out from olympia 2002..he looked like a winner at 275lbs of shredded beef and on game day he looked like a complete loser...

[MikeThaMachine]

You could really tell in his back...If you can find any pics to compare.

Here ya go again....

[kyomu]

well,anybody see huge difference like chick said?
i dont see that much,maybe watching video is much easier to see it.

[MikeThaMachine]

well,anybody see huge difference like chick said?
i dont see that much,maybe watching video is much easier to see it.

I think he looks much fuller and solid, obivously his legs were bigger then but everything else just seems to be more filled in and harder looking.

[kyomu]

I think he looks much fuller and solid, obivously his legs were bigger then but everything else just seems to be more filled in and harder looking.

yeah thats true. hams and glutes are way better.

[dzulboy]

That's EXACTLY the way it is...

The one thing you try to do through experience, is eliminate all the guess work that goes into the last 48 hrs.

Most of the problems occur with trying to do TOO MUCH in those final prep stages...where if things were just left alone, you would be better off.

Sometimes, going for an inch gets you a mile...in the wrong direction.

so fucking true

[kingNOLI]

Gunter trains like a girl and everyone knows it !!! Charles and his boys all they do is talk and take 10 minutes between sets .

Gunter was training with Jerome , Adam and some amature Kid. You cant get a good work out in with 3 other partners.

These pro's who train with Charles have no motivation or drive.

Gunters problem wasn't Charles, or his training...anyone who seen the Fitshow segment with Gunter training the last 2 weeks before the Olympia, could see that he looked great and was spot on...

Unfortunately, his last 48 hr. prep didn't go as planned, and he ended up coming in flat...his placing was refective of his conditioning.

That's bodybuilding..