BEST MR. OLYMPIA LINEUP EVER PIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NarcissisticDeity]

Answer this my friend. If the stuff back then didn't do anything, then why did they even bother to take it? Arnold would have beat Sergio from '73 to '75 but not in '72. Sergio got robbed. Arnold admitted that it was all politics and that Sergio was the real winner. I was in Essen for God's sake. There not going to let a black man beat Arnold there. Come on. Read between the lines my friend.

Nonsense they did " let a black man " beat Arnold in 1969 if it was politics he would have NEVER beat Arnold in  69 !! and who knows if they even took that garbage? they pushed it but seriously go look at some of the old adds in Muscle Builder lol

[pumpster]

Arnold would have beat Sergio from '73 to '75 but not in '72.

Can't assume that-Schwarzenegger was in his best shape 73-74 only because he expected Oliva to be there, and only after Schwarzenegger refused Oliva's challenge to come out of the audience to compete against him in a neutral, non-Weider contest. Essentially Schwarzenegger backed down, which no one realizes.

If Oliva had the cuts in the contest that he had days after after the contest, he'd have won no matter what. Lacking a little sharpness made it a toss-up.

[Iceman1981]

What cave have you been living in? One of Schwarzenegger's least good areas was thigh size-decent quad size compensated for by good shape & cuts as well as proper posing, and non-existent hams. This time, notice that Schwarzenegger's feet are positioned outwards, creating a needed impression of size that wasn't there.

One other thing: Oliva was as big in most areas, but on a smaller frame = more muscle.

That's what I was thinking.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Can't assume that-Schwarzenegger was in his best shape 73-74 only because he expected Oliva to be there, and only after Schwarzenegger refused Oliva's challenge to compete against him in a neutral, non-Weider contest.

Weider wouldn't let Arnold compete he wanted to and Sergio got out right beat by Bill Pearl at the 1971 NABBA contest while Sergio was training under Aurther Jones none the less !! How did Uncle Joe influcence that contest? 

[body88]

No cave. I know Sergio had more muscle. But he was not as sharp. I think in that particular picture Arnold looks bigger.

[pumpster]

Weider wouldn't let Arnold compete he wanted to and Sergio got out right beat by Bill Pearl at the 1971 NABBA contest while Sergio was training under Aurther Jones none the less !! How did Uncle Joe influcence that contest? 

ND likes to go off in tangents that have nothing to do with the original thread.

ta ta

[NarcissisticDeity]

What cave have you been living in? One of Schwarzenegger's least good areas was thigh size-decent quad size compensated for by good shape & cuts as well as proper posing, and non-existent hams. This time, notice that Schwarzenegger's feet are positioned outwards, creating a needed impression of size that wasn't there.

One other thing: Oliva was as big in most areas, but on a smaller frame = more muscle.

Sergio had bigger quads no doubt but he also carried more fat & water in his physique as well as muscle and that was evident.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND likes to go off in tangents that have nothing to do with the original thread.

ta ta

You were the one who brought up Sergio in an non IFBB contest like the outcome would be different , Sergio lost to Bill Pearl , Sergio had an easy time with " b-tier " guys as you like to call them but when faced with someone who was a cut above he offten lost .

[pumpster]

Nonsense they did " let a black man " beat Arnold in 1969 if it was politics he would have NEVER beat Arnold in  69 !! and who knows if they even took that garbage? they pushed it but seriously go look at some of the old adds in Muscle Builder lol

Easy explanation that ND does a good job on playing dumb on. Oliva was allowed to win because (1) he was the established previous winner, which Weider has proven repeatedly over the years he favors, and (2) it definitely made the contest look more believable to prevent Schwarzenegger from winning first time out against someone as good or better. Allowing Arnold to win the first show, being no better than the established winner, would've discredited a contest that was only a few years old.

[pumpster]

No cave. I know Sergio had more muscle. But he was not as sharp. I think in that particular picture Arnold looks bigger.

True, but Oliva had the edge in size, balance and taper, so it was really a coin-toss.

[pumpster]

Sergio had bigger quads no doubt but he also carried more fat & water in his physique as well as muscle and that was evident.

Blanket statement; like any BB it depended on the particular contest. If he hadn't looked so great, Schwarzenegger wouldn't have trained like a maniac the next 2 Olympias, nor would he have said that Oliva deserved to win.

[Iceman1981]

Can't assume that-Schwarzenegger was in his best shape 73-74 only because he expected Oliva to be there, and only after Schwarzenegger refused Oliva's challenge to come out of the audience to compete against him in a neutral, non-Weider contest. Essentially Schwarzenegger backed down, which no one realizes.

If Oliva had the cuts in the contest that he had days after after the contest, he'd have won no matter what. Lacking a little sharpness made it a toss-up.

Like many said before and I'll say it again. Arnold was not better than Sergio, but Arnold would win the Olympias because of how much money Joe would make with Arnold as Mr. O. Simple. Arnold would win in '73, '74' '75 only because of polotics. I remember reading about many stories when Sergio came out and challenged Arnold in front of everyone and Arnold backed down because Arnold new he would lose and that would make him and Joe look stupid.

[pumpster]

Pizza and Coke, lol. You're taking that too literally. There is a member on this board that trained with Sergio and has been with him during his bodybuilding days. Sergio took things serious and ate junk food just like the rest of the bodybuilders did when it was not contest time. Remember this, Arnold was given and took the best supplements and "stuff" that money could buy. Uncle Joe supplied Arnold with all of his supplements. On the other hand, Sergio had to "earn" his money and was not fed with a silver spoon in his mouth like Arnold was. Sergio only used what "stuff" he could afford and only used what free supplements was given to him.

None of the Arnold nuthuggers here seem to comprehend that Oliva was working a full-time job in Chicago, while Arnold's job was training & tanning on Venice Beach, as Weider's protege. Quite an advantage.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Easy explanation that ND does a good job on playing dumb on. Oliva was allowed to win because (1) he was the established previous winner, which Weider has proven repeatedly over the years he favors, and (2) it definitely made the contest look more believable to prevent Schwarzenegger from winning first time out against someone as good or better. Allowing Arnold to win the first show, being no better than the established winner, would've discredited a contest that was only a few years old.

Is this the best you could manage? if he liked an established winner why let Arnold ever win? its fantasy , plain & simple , use your head Sergio never faced anyone of Arnold's caliber and when he did he paid the price , Sergio could get away being less than 100% with the likes of Poole and Sipes but not Arnold.

[Iceman1981]

Nonsense they did " let a black man " beat Arnold in 1969 if it was politics he would have NEVER beat Arnold in  69 !! and who knows if they even took that garbage? they pushed it but seriously go look at some of the old adds in Muscle Builder lol

They did " let a black man " beat Arnold in 1969 because Sergio was simply better and Joe new he couldn't use Arnold yet. He waited a little longer to promote his new "money maker" Arnold. I don't blame Joe for making money, but it's the way he uses bodybuilders to get what he wants and then just doesn't give a rats a$$ about them after he is done with them.

[pumpster]

Like many said before and I'll say it again. Arnold was not better than Sergio, but Arnold would win the Olympias because of how much money Joe would make with Arnold as Mr. O. Simple. Arnold would win in '73, '74' '75 only because of polotics. I remember reading about many stories when Sergio came out and challenged Arnold in front of everyone and Arnold backed down because Arnold new he would lose and that would make him and Joe look stupid.

According to ND and others here, politics don't exist. I would like to sell these suckers some stock. 

That story about Arnold backing down in the audience to Sergio's challenge at the Mr. International is barely known, certainly not known by Arnold nuthuggers who accept revisionist Weider history quite willingly. Their guillibility is disappointing for getbig, they should really be on a Weider site like Iron Age.

[pumpster]

Is this the best you could manage? if he liked an established winner why let Arnold ever win? its fantasy , plain & simple , use your head Sergio never faced anyone of Arnold's caliber and when he did he paid the price , Sergio could get away being less than 100% with the likes of Poole and Sipes but not Arnold.

ND must've looooved debating society in HS. Quantity over quality: endless, circular debates going nowhere fast that do everything BUT address the original points. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Like many said before and I'll say it again. Arnold was not better than Sergio, but Arnold would win the Olympias because of how much money Joe would make with Arnold as Mr. O. Simple. Arnold would win in '73, '74' '75 only because of polotics. I remember reading about many stories when Sergio came out and challenged Arnold in front of everyone and Arnold backed down because Arnold new he would lose and that would make him and Joe look stupid.

There is one story of Sergio challenging Arnold and Arnold wanted to get up onstage and Weider prevented him and Franco took his place and after Franco and Sergio went at it it was declared a tie , thats one story , Arnold only got batter as the years progressed 73/74 probably his best and 75 he was outstanding , Sergio thought the grass was greener on the otherside and it paid for it , he bitched about the politics in 1984 think he should have placed higher  Sergio wasn't honest with himself.

[pumpster]

Oh please you think that GARBAGE Weider was pushing back in the late 60s and early 70s actually did anything? Sergio was like Flex Wheeler he relied on his genetics to much and he could get away with that when facing guys like Chuck Sipes and Harold Poole but not Arnold , Arnold was more driven that Sergio and thats why he beat him.

ND always applies this "reliance on genetics" bit to non-white BBs. Why?

[Iceman1981]

Weider wouldn't let Arnold compete he wanted to and Sergio got out right beat by Bill Pearl at the 1971 NABBA contest while Sergio was training under Aurther Jones none the less !! How did Uncle Joe influcence that contest? 

Everyone knows that was the biggest "GIFT"  Bill Pearl got.  That was his last competition he would enter. He was an old man. There is no way he should of won that competition. Sergio kicks his butt at all times.

[pumpster]

Everyone knows that was the biggest "GIFT"  Bill Pearl got.  That was his last competition he would enter. He was an old man. There is no way he should of won that competition. Sergio kicks his butt at all times.

ND will now insist on "proof", without which he'll claim that what you're saying can't possibly have any truth to it because everything's either black or white according to him.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Everyone knows that was the biggest "GIFT"  Bill Pearl got.  That was his last competition he would enter. He was an old man. There is no way he should of won that competition. Sergio kicks his butt at all times.

It shows what you know , Bill Pearl ONLY faced Sergio that one time and beat him clearly ! Arnold was supposed to compete in that contest and Weider wouldn't let him out fear the same thing would happen to Arnold that happened to Sergio , get beat fair & square.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND will now insist on "proof", without which he'll claim that what you're saying can't possibly have any truth to it.

It was a NON-IFBB contest you can't claim Weider had a hand in the outcome and I'm in the positive , Pearl won your hero got crushed and all your left with is excuses.

[pumpster]

It was a NON-IFBB contest you can't claim Weider had a hand in the outcome and I'm in the positive , Pearl won your hero got crushed and all your left with is excuses.

Exactly as predicted, while skirting the reality that there were probably politics involved.

ND always favors the white BB unless the "non-white" is very clearly ahead, as in Haney's case.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Exactly as predicted, while skirting the reality that there were probably politics involved.

ND always favors the white BB unless the "non-white" is very clearly ahead, as in Haney's case.

Entertaining your nonsense Sergio was free of the " Weider politics " in the N.A.B.B.A. and yet he still lost , you can't explain that can you? I know it crushes you to look at Sergio in a beatable light but its reality , you have nothing to work with.