2nd cycle

[Paragon]

Just wanted to get some opinions of this for a second cycle. age 24, wt 225, bf% 10

First cycle was:

wk 1-16 test e 500 mg/wk
wk 1-12 deca 250 mg/wk
wk 1-20 50 mg proviron ed
wk 1-20 hcg 500 iu every 5 days
wk 16-20 test prop 500mg/wk
wk 20-24 tapered hcg 3000iu first week, 2000iu 2nd week, 1000iu final 2 wks
wk 20-26 nolva (40mg first 2 weeks, 30 week 3, 20 week 4, 10 week 5 and 6.


upcoming cycle:

wk 1-16 test cyp 800mg/wk along with 500 mg of eq
wk 1-20 arimidex .5 mg ed or eod
wk 1-6 dbol 50 mg
same pct as above.

[Paragon]

forgot to add

wk 16-20 test prop 800 mg/wk

[Rimbaud]

Looks pretty good. You may want to throw some Tbol or Winny for the last six weeks.

[Arnold jr]

Looks pretty good. You may want to throw some Tbol or Winny for the last six weeks.

Agreed...I'd opt for winny at 50mg/ed the last 6wks.

Also, when you run your HCG this time, simply run it during your cycle like you did before...no need to run it post cycle as well IMO.

[Paragon]

Thanks i'll run the winny @ 50 mg/day for the final 6 weeks. 

Arnold Jr., what is the reasoning for just running the hcg durning the cycle and not post cycle as well?  wouldnt the higher dose post cycle for 4 wks tappered down help bring the testes back into working order and help my natural test levels get back to normal?  i noticed when i ran the hcg the length of my first cycle that i still had testicular atrophy. 

I also heard that running a little bit of test with each shot of hcg post cylce such as 25 or 50 mg of test cyp would help ur test levels return to normal faster due to the withdrawal of exogenious test.  any truth to this/ would this be a good idea?   Thanks again

[sportingsteroids]

upcoming cycle:

wk 1-16 test cyp 800mg/wk along with 500 mg of eq
wk 1-20 arimidex .5 mg ed or eod
wk 1-6 dbol 50 mg
same pct as above.

is not is a  little bit high ?

[Paragon]

i dont believe so.   my first cycle i gained about 15 lbs. kept about 10  with moderate strength gains.  i feel my dosages were a little low, felt more like a replacement dosage to me. 

[DIVISION]

DIVISIONAL CHANGES:

wk 1-16 Sustanon 750mg/wk along with 600 mg of eq
wk 1-16 Arimidex 1mg eod
wk 1-6 T-bol 60 mg ed
same pct as above.


Now those are changes you can feel.




DIV

[drop set]

20 weeks seems a bit heavy for a first cycle.5years time you'l be permanently on.
think i will re-assess mine.weeks 1-52 4g's test e
                                            1-52 1g eq
                                            1-52 20iu gh

[Luv2Hurt]

Agreed...I'd opt for winny at 50mg/ed the last 6wks.

Also, when you run your HCG this time, simply run it during your cycle like you did before...no need to run it post cycle as well IMO.

Yeah I agree AJ, if you run HCG during the cycle there is no need to take those big doses at the end.  I may run the HCG 2 shots or so after last shot of short ester gear, which I like to finish on.

[Arnold jr]

  I may run the HCG 2 shots or so after last shot of short ester gear, which I like to finish on.

Do you run it at the same dose or do you bump it up a little ?

[Luv2Hurt]

Do you run it at the same dose or do you bump it up a little ?

Same dose. 

[musclestang]

why make those changes div?  i thought the cycle looked pretty solid i would just add some winny at the end like the other said.

[DIVISION]

why make those changes div?  i thought the cycle looked pretty solid i would just add some winny at the end like the other said.

Those changes are what I would run.

My preferences are obvious.




DIV

[Paragon]

Thanks everyone for all your input.  im pretty much keeping the original cycle but adding winni tabs for the last 6 weeks. 

im still curious as to why only run hcg through the cycle and not bump it up for post cycle for a few weeks. 

i know if u use hcg at too high a dose for too long it can have the opposite effect but i dont see how using a dose like i explained above for pct (3000iu wk 1, 2000 wk 2, 1000, wk 3)

[DIVISION]

Thanks everyone for all your input.  im pretty much keeping the original cycle but adding winni tabs for the last 6 weeks. 

im still curious as to why only run hcg through the cycle and not bump it up for post cycle for a few weeks. 

i know if u use hcg at too high a dose for too long it can have the opposite effect but i dont see how using a dose like i explained above for pct (3000iu wk 1, 2000 wk 2, 1000, wk 3)

Google HCG and its protocol and it's easy to understand why.

You either run it during your cycle or after......not both.

You're asking questions that could be answered through research on your own or via self-experimentation.

Either way, you will need to give some effort on your own eventually.


DIV