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ManBearPig... · « **Reply #50 on:** December 24, 2006, 08:12:57 PM »

how many black wsm competitors/champs were there?

Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #51 on:** December 24, 2006, 08:31:24 PM »

Right now I have two MMA fighters that I'm training right now.....one was a football player and one a former competitive bodybuilder.....the football player was an easy transition, but I had a hell of a time with the bodybuilder, the strength training part was easy but he hard time adapting to some of the functional training because he was weak in his posterior chain and when it came time in the training schedule for conditioning he was slow and was on the verge of having a serious injury when it came to his lateral training....we solved the problems but it took quite some time!

pumpster · « **Reply #52 on:** December 24, 2006, 08:33:06 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Intenseone on December 24, 2006, 08:31:24 PM

Right now I have two MMA fighters that I'm training right now.....one was a football player and one a former competitive bodybuilder.....the football player was an easy transition, but I had a hell of a time with the bodybuilder, the strength training part was easy but he hard time adapting to some of the functional training because he was weak in his posterior chain and when it came time in the training schedule for conditioning he was slow and was on the verge of having a serious injury when it came to his lateral training....we solved the problems but it took quite some time!

The BB with no previous history of athleticism would usually be more problematic.

bmacsys · « **Reply #53 on:** December 24, 2006, 08:39:01 PM »

Pumpster, you keep talking about Ronnie being an "athlete". The guy is in his 40's. When do you think the last time he played any kind of a sport? Bodybuilding the way these guys do it produce little overall benefits to being in true shape. If you don't play baseball, football, basketball you lose it quick. Doesn't matter how athletic you are or were. You ever play any sports after a long layoff? Jesus, Ronnie probably gets winded climbing a set of stairs.

pumpster · « **Reply #54 on:** December 24, 2006, 08:43:44 PM »

Quote from: bmacsys on December 24, 2006, 08:39:01 PM

Pumpster, you keep talking about Ronnie being an "athlete". The guy is in his 40's. When do you think the last time he played any kind of a sport? Bodybuilding the way these guys do it produce little overall benefits to being in true shape. If you don't play baseball, football, basketball you lose it quick. Doesn't matter how athletic you are or were. You ever play any sports after a long layoff? Jesus, Ronnie probably gets winded climbing a set of stairs.

I know this because i was an athlete. Given some prep time and conditioning to the specifics of the sport, much of the ability comes back save for some that is lost to the ravages of age or injury. The only way to gauge viability is to do it, wade back in slowly and carefully, not to assume it won't come back out of hand.

Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #55 on:** December 24, 2006, 08:43:54 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on December 24, 2006, 08:33:06 PM

The BB with no previous history of athleticism would usually be more problematic.

Good point, I have his backgound and health history profile at my office, I'll check on Tuesday but I've seen him spar and he moves very well and is coordinated for a guy who is about 6'1 260lbs but he has to drop some muscle to be competitive, I'm guessing he has some athletic training!

swoody · « **Reply #56 on:** December 24, 2006, 08:51:41 PM »

Coleman might be strong, but WSM has alot to do with STAMINA and ENDURANCE as well as strength... if RON so much as runs around the block he will have a heart attack... he would get crushed.

pumpster · « **Reply #57 on:** December 24, 2006, 08:56:13 PM »

Quote from: swoody on December 24, 2006, 08:51:41 PM

Coleman might be strong, but WSM has alot to do with STAMINA and ENDURANCE as well as strength... if RON so much as runs around the block he will have a heart attack... he would get crushed.

Have you read any of the other posts? The assumption is that adequate prep work including conditioning would be done prior to doing WSM, genius.

tommywishbone · « **Reply #58 on:** December 24, 2006, 09:08:53 PM »

Quote from: davidpaul on December 24, 2006, 04:59:48 PM

you mean Ethiopians and Kenyans.

DP is correct.

www.vdare.com/misc/entine_boston_marathon.htm Cool article addressing racing and race.

Merry Christmas freaks!

Bast175 · « **Reply #59 on:** December 25, 2006, 02:15:07 PM »

Quote from: Power Rod on December 24, 2006, 08:12:57 PM

how many black wsm competitors/champs were there?

0?

rocket · « **Reply #60 on:** December 25, 2006, 02:24:05 PM »

Svend Karlsen's video can be had on certain torrent sites. His training is mostly directly for the direct things that they do in the events. He does go to another gym and do more standard shit also though.

I think Ronnie would probably be "good". I think its a little disrespectful to all the guys in it who are already very good to suggest that he would be the best. For one thing, every one of those guys competing in the WSM would be a mass monster on loads of gear and bodybuilding training. Just because Ronnie retains some aesthetics despite being a monster does not make him any more freaky than the WSM competitors.

pumpster · « **Reply #61 on:** December 25, 2006, 02:26:38 PM »

Quote from: rocket on December 25, 2006, 02:24:05 PM

I think Ronnie would probably be "good". I think its a little disrespectful to all the guys in it who are already very good to suggest that he would be the best.

Who said he would be the best? Whatever the outcome it would be interesting and good publicity.

rccs · « **Reply #62 on:** December 26, 2006, 02:56:08 AM »

Quote from: pumpster on December 24, 2006, 02:22:00 PM

Lame assumptions. You don't seem to comprehend that once an athlete, always an athlete. Stop with the assumptions that since he only lifts now, that's all he can do-those are your limitations, not his.

If he had time to bring the weight down, increase/work on speed and work on the specifics of the events, there's no reason not to think that he couldn't marry decent agility/speed with good strength.

Agreed! Actually there are some bbers that could do well on strongman with proper training. If Ruhl, Freeman, Johnnie Jackson, Dorian (at his best), could train for 5 months for Strongman, I think they would do very well.

swoody · « **Reply #63 on:** December 26, 2006, 01:18:50 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on December 24, 2006, 08:56:13 PM

Have you read any of the other posts? The assumption is that adequate prep work including conditioning would be done prior to doing WSM, genius.

Yeah, I did read the other posts. Unless you are one of the countless "Ronnie's a superhero" nuthuggers, you'd know that with all the anabolics he has pumped through his body, even if he tried to "condition" at all to get to the level that he needs to be to even qualify for WSM, he wouldn't make a dent. He's a bodybuilder... thats it. He can't play football, he cant run marathons, he cant be an astronaut and he cant be a contender in WSM. He'll need to have a dialysis and oxygen machine hooked up to him...

pumpster · « **Reply #64 on:** December 26, 2006, 01:37:43 PM »

Quote from: swoody on December 26, 2006, 01:18:50 PM

Yeah, I did read the other posts. Unless you are one of the countless "Ronnie's a superhero" nuthuggers, you'd know that with all the anabolics he has pumped through his body, even if he tried to "condition" at all to get to the level that he needs to be to even qualify for WSM, he wouldn't make a dent. He's a bodybuilder... thats it. He can't play football, he cant run marathons, he cant be an astronaut and he cant be a contender in WSM. He'll need to have a dialysis and oxygen machine hooked up to him...

100% speculation, from which you've erroneously tried to draw concrete conclusions. No one knows, nor would anyone know what Columbu, Ferrigno or any one of the other contestants could do until they did it. None of them had specific background in these events, don't you get it?All your rationalizations have no basis, you're just guessing.

Your MAAAAaaaa · « **Reply #65 on:** December 26, 2006, 01:55:07 PM »

Quote from: chris_mason on December 24, 2006, 05:47:18 PM

I think all 3 groups are quite good.

No Nigerians are not renowned although they are not shitty. Kenyans are just amazing and the theories behind their prowess are a great debate but not for here.

ta ta

swoody · « **Reply #66 on:** December 26, 2006, 01:57:44 PM »

All I get is that you were disrespectful in replying to my post. Yes, it is speculation. The thread starter asked for oppinions, so aI gave mine. Bottom line, franco and ferrigno both faired poorly in their WSM events... and neither of them were pumping the ammounts of anabolics, insulin, IGF, GH, etc. that ronnie has done, and I seriously doubt he will be physically able, even WITH the training and conditioning for WSM to have much of an impact, if any. I wasn't attacking your opinion or anybody elses, so why the disrespect?

Quote from: pumpster on December 26, 2006, 01:37:43 PM

100% speculation, from which you've erroneously tried to draw concrete conclusions. No one knows, nor would anyone know what Columbu, Ferrigno or any one of the other contestants could do until they did it. None of them had specific background in these events, don't you get it?All your rationalizations have no basis, you're just guessing.

Saxon · « **Reply #67 on:** December 26, 2006, 01:58:22 PM »

There have been a few bodybuilders that have had limited success when crossing over to strongman, Andrew Raynes and Eddy Ellwood come to mind (both completed in NABBA competitions). Andrew Raynes did quite well, qualified for the final of World's Strongest Man, did well in some of the UK Strongest man competitions though he was only 5'5/5'6 and was at a major disadvantage. Gary Taylor comes to mind as well, won WSM in 1993, not sure if he was a bodybuilder first or not but seen some competition pictures of him and he looked good.

It would be hard for Ronnie as his current muscle size would be a disadvantage especially the size of his legs... He would have to lose muscle size, but try and stay around 260-280 pounds to even be competitive.

bmacsys · « **Reply #68 on:** December 26, 2006, 02:01:48 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on December 25, 2006, 02:26:38 PM

Who said he would be the best? Whatever the outcome it would be interesting and good publicity.

I think Ronnie would embarras himself in most events leaving people more fodder to say bodybuilders are weak for their size.

Your MAAAAaaaa · « **Reply #69 on:** December 26, 2006, 02:13:09 PM »

Well I'm going to sit on the fence somewhat, however I have argued with Pumpster before about Ronnie being good at Footbal just because of his strength which I still find laughable.

Anyway In dear old Blighty we have a champion BB called Eddy Ellwood who took to strongmen a while back, he was ridiculously strong (not in Ronnies bracket) but he turned to it and was bad real bad, then he began to train properly not just using weights all the time etc but actually practising the events and training for the events and actually improving.

He became a contender over here and was really well liked and i think he became our champion in 2003.

So there is an example of a successful BB becoming a good strongman so it can be done.

That being said if Ronnie did convert whats to say he would be good?? He might be he may take to it well but technique is as much a part as anything else.

As for him and Mariusz they are both the best around imo or Ronnie was at least but the height thing disscussed earlier would be important too imo.

But if it happens then great it would be sooooooo interesting

ta ta

carvedoutofwood · « **Reply #70 on:** December 26, 2006, 02:47:24 PM »

Quote from: Your MAAAAaaaa on December 26, 2006, 02:13:09 PM

Anyway In dear old Blighty we have a champion BB called Eddy Ellwood who took to strongmen a while back, he was ridiculously strong (not in Ronnies bracket) but he turned to it and was bad real bad, then he began to train properly not just using weights all the time etc but actually practising the events and training for the events and actually improving.

So there is an example of a successful BB becoming a good strongman so it can be done.

ta ta

bone, muscle and overall structure have alot to do with sport in general... with strong man comps and powerlifting this is especially true... like building a bridge...

ronnie has super small joints for his size, which is why he's been so successfull at bodybuilding...

however small joints arent the friend of powerlifters/ strongman...

granted ronnie IS strong, and may do well in local powerlifting events... there is no way he would be successful at an elite level

ronnie would have to be 10 years younger and train for 4 years to be able to compete in a strongman event, he'd have to trim down considerably to even have a shot... the guy isnt mobile, and even walking up a flight of stairs must get him winded

with that said, could ronnie compete at a super elite level "the worlds strongest man".... no way no chance...

ronnies the greatest, strongest, biggest, and leanest BB of all time... thats enough

Your MAAAAaaaa · « **Reply #71 on:** December 26, 2006, 03:29:45 PM »

I agree he could never win it but as with my example it has happened, Ellwood put his heart and sole into it and was a good guy so props to him.

Masriusz is an all round beast of an athlete and Ronnie could not match him, but thats not to say he would be useless.

ta ta

brock125 · « **Reply #72 on:** December 26, 2006, 04:23:40 PM »

I think Ronnie would do well in the IFSA federation where it is mostly static events like max log, heavy axel, car deadlift and car squat etc. There are pictures somewhere of him lifting an inch replica dumbell off the ground.

The Showstoppa · « **Reply #73 on:** December 26, 2006, 04:26:33 PM »

I think Ronnie has/had a lot of potential, because he was good enough of an athlete to play college football, but it takes years to master these events. There is a lot more skill involved that what many people are giving credit for.

MisterMagoo · « **Reply #74 on:** December 26, 2006, 04:28:18 PM »

Quote from: brock125 on December 26, 2006, 04:23:40 PM

I think Ronnie would do well in the IFSA federation where it is mostly static events like max log, heavy axel, car deadlift and car squat etc. There are pictures somewhere of him lifting an inch replica dumbell off the ground.

that was my point. and he'd do pretty well, but he just doesn't have the experience with those lifts that the others have. savickas would hand his ass to him on a platter.

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