Author Topic: THE ADONIS PROJECT: Building a better body through MCDONALDS.Destroying Anssi M.  (Read 59236 times)

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What's your opinion on Abeles not posting the video, the receipts and the journal from his McDonald's experience?

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Since im an honest person ill give you my honest opinion. I think it is crappy but i also don't blame him. Even if the video was posted with the recipts people would refuse to believe it. Infact i might even take up the task but i will be after august.

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Because the metabolism slows down the leaner you get and leptin slows down.

You just re-stated what he wrote.  Metabolism slows...fat loss slows.  You didnt prove anything.  Also, seeing as you are spouting off what Adam is saying about how beneficial hypocaloric diets are...and how you DONT LOSE MUSCLE.....what do you have to say about this?

Metabolic and structural changes in skeletal muscle during hypocaloric dieting.

Russell DM, Walker PM, Leiter LA, Sima AA, Tanner WK, Mickle DA, Whitwell J, Marliss EB, Jeejeebhoy KN.

Hypocaloric dieting and fasting alter the contraction-relaxation characteristics of skeletal muscle and result in low frequency fatigue. We report the metabolic and structural changes in skeletal muscle in five morbidly obese female subjects who had biopsies of the gastrocnemius muscle on a base-line diet (2500 kcal/day) followed by a repeat biopsy after 2 wk of a 400-kcal/day carbohydrate diet. Hypocaloric dieting resulted in a significant increase in the intracellular muscle calcium content (p less than 0.05), which may account for the observed changes in muscle function. There were no significant changes in muscle glycogen, lactate, pyruvate, or free energy stores. There was a significant decrease in muscle enzymes [phosphofructokinase (p less than 0.05), succinate dehydrogenase (p less than 0.02)] and some muscle amino acid levels [glutamine (p less than 0.025), glycine (p less than 0.01), and alanine (p less than 0.02)], while muscle histochemistry showed type II fiber atrophy (p less than 0.025). However, these changes reflect a generalized response to hypocaloric dieting and probably do not explain the specific functional changes. Change in the muscle calcium content is probably an important mediator of the adverse functional effects of malnutrition.

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You just re-stated what he wrote.  Metabolism slows...fat loss slows.  You didnt prove anything.  Also, seeing as you are spouting off what Adam is saying about how beneficial hypocaloric diets are...and how you DONT LOSE MUSCLE.....what do you have to say about this?

Metabolic and structural changes in skeletal muscle during hypocaloric dieting.

Russell DM, Walker PM, Leiter LA, Sima AA, Tanner WK, Mickle DA, Whitwell J, Marliss EB, Jeejeebhoy KN.

Hypocaloric dieting and fasting alter the contraction-relaxation characteristics of skeletal muscle and result in low frequency fatigue. We report the metabolic and structural changes in skeletal muscle in five morbidly obese female subjects who had biopsies of the gastrocnemius muscle on a base-line diet (2500 kcal/day) followed by a repeat biopsy after 2 wk of a 400-kcal/day carbohydrate diet. Hypocaloric dieting resulted in a significant increase in the intracellular muscle calcium content (p less than 0.05), which may account for the observed changes in muscle function. There were no significant changes in muscle glycogen, lactate, pyruvate, or free energy stores. There was a significant decrease in muscle enzymes [phosphofructokinase (p less than 0.05), succinate dehydrogenase (p less than 0.02)] and some muscle amino acid levels [glutamine (p less than 0.025), glycine (p less than 0.01), and alanine (p less than 0.02)], while muscle histochemistry showed type II fiber atrophy (p less than 0.025). However, these changes reflect a generalized response to hypocaloric dieting and probably do not explain the specific functional changes. Change in the muscle calcium content is probably an important mediator of the adverse functional effects of malnutrition.
Simply water loss.... Beside the difference is miniscule. You aren't reading your own studies and you are splitting hairs.

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I dont read the studies?  Riiiiiiiiiight.  Ok.....you win....I simply just pull these things out and paste them up here so as to show my abilities at cutting and pasting.  (Please read the former statement with EXTREME SARCASM).

If you took a step back you would see that there are so many people letting you know that your way is not the ONLY way.  That there are MANY approaches to dieting.  I will simply re-state my challenge to you that you prep yourself for a show utilizing your 'so easy' approach and then see how you look standing next to someone who does it more traditionally.  See who comes out the victor.

In the same regard, have you looked at what Brian Whiatcre eats like...or diets like for his show prep?  With the results he gets....are you going to seriously tell him he is doing it wrong?

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how about you compete in a BODYBUILDING SHOW after your endeavor adonis.  show the state at least what you're made of.  compete you mindless idiot.  under real lights and against people.

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If it is wrong then i will be more then happy to apologize for my spreading of lies.

So, by your own statement:

10 calories of oats = 10 calories of dextrose

Am I correct in this assumption?
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I can eat up to 2983 calories.

Hope this helps.

What happens if you eat 2984 calories  ???

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What happens if you eat 2984 calories  ???

he'll get fat.

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2983 calories, I love that stuff, has no idea of error margins when using his formula. If you think you're formula is that exact then you don't understand how multiple assumptions thrown in a formula all with a slight error will never get such a precise actual result (it's called chance capitalization).

A calorie is indeed a calorie when you fucking burn in vitro.

In the body we don't simply burn our food to ashes, again this idea does not take into consideration the intricate processes that are involved. Again, TA's theories come up short.

TA doesn't know how to use science, he doesn't know what makes research valuable or not, he doesn't know simple statistics.
Seriously he thinks he's the frontman of science but he's making all kinds of layman mistakes..

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2983 calories, I love that stuff, has no idea of error margins when using his formula. If you think you're formula is that exact then you don't understand how multiple assumptions thrown in a formula all with a slight error will never get such a precise actual result (it's called chance capitalization).

A calorie is indeed a calorie when you fucking burn in vitro.

In the body we don't simply burn our food to ashes, again this idea does not take into consideration the intricate processes that are involved. Again, TA's theories come up short.

TA doesn't know how to use science, he doesn't know what makes research valuable or not, he doesn't know simple statistics.
Seriously he thinks he's the frontman of science but he's making all kinds of layman mistakes..

what could you expect from someone that hasn't finished high school?  ;D ;D

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nothing much, but some other can't look through all his drizzle.

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2983 calories, I love that stuff, has no idea of error margins when using his formula. If you think you're formula is that exact then you don't understand how multiple assumptions thrown in a formula all with a slight error will never get such a precise actual result (it's called chance capitalization).

A calorie is indeed a calorie when you fucking burn in vitro.

In the body we don't simply burn our food to ashes, again this idea does not take into consideration the intricate processes that are involved. Again, TA's theories come up short.

TA doesn't know how to use science, he doesn't know what makes research valuable or not, he doesn't know simple statistics.
Seriously he thinks he's the frontman of science but he's making all kinds of layman mistakes..

This is exactly the point I was making.

All this pseudo science from Adonis and his jock sniffing allies is getting real boring. Especially this "logic" shit they bash on about.

It's totally illogical to state a calorie is a calorie when an intricate biological system like the human body is concerned. As if the biological processes involved in getting dextrose from point A to point B is equal to the pathway that a complex carb takes.

You consume 3000 cals from dextrose you end up like squadfather.

You consume 3000 cals from oats you end up non-obese.
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I dont read the studies?  Riiiiiiiiiight.  Ok.....you win....I simply just pull these things out and paste them up here so as to show my abilities at cutting and pasting.  (Please read the former statement with EXTREME SARCASM).

If you took a step back you would see that there are so many people letting you know that your way is not the ONLY way.  That there are MANY approaches to dieting.  I will simply re-state my challenge to you that you prep yourself for a show utilizing your 'so easy' approach and then see how you look standing next to someone who does it more traditionally.  See who comes out the victor.

In the same regard, have you looked at what Brian Whiatcre eats like...or diets like for his show prep?  With the results he gets....are you going to seriously tell him he is doing it wrong?
I never said this was the only way. Honestly man where do you get off with statements like these. The point im trying to prove is there are other ways other then miserable chicken and brocolli.

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the body deals with 100g of omega 3 fats a lot different than 100g of trans fats.

calories are not all equal.
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the body deals with 100g of omega 3 fats a lot different than 100g of trans fats.

calories are not all equal.

Shhh, i tell you a secret, Fatpanda:

Everybody here knows this, except True Anus and El "Lardo" Mariachi.

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I love the cardboard and Vodka diet i nearly fell over laughing,Adonis is correct a calorie is a calorie but if you only consume McDonalds your on your way to a coroney at the age of 40 depending on genetics.
How many calories are in cardboard anyway ;D
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Recent studies also show that the connection of fructose and corn syrup that is used in McDonald's buns lowers the rate of the absorbed protein, the so called "maillard reaction'.

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http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/webprojects2002/rakotomalala/maillard.htm

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The Maillard Reaction:

The Maillard reaction is occurring for most of cooking: such as caramel, or roasting.

What is Maillard reaction?

The Maillard reaction was first discovered by Louis Camille Maillard and the reaction between carbohydrates (sugar) and proteins, and is responsible for changes in color, flavor and nutritive in food.

The Maillard reaction occurs in three main steps:

   1. initial step: formation N glycoside       
   2. After formation of N glycoside the immonium ion is formed and then isomerize, this reaction is called Amadori rearrangement and forms a compound called ketosamine:

           

The ketosamine products then either dehydrates into reductones and dehydro reductones, which are caramel, or products short chain hydrolytic fission products such as diacetyl, acetol or pyruvaldehyde which then undergo the Strecker degradation.


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This is the best diet ever!

Calorie is a calorie!





For a stimulant supplement, smoke atleast 4-5 cigars daily!


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I never said this was the only way. Honestly man where do you get off with statements like these. The point im trying to prove is there are other ways other then miserable chicken and brocolli.

You know something....you are completly clueless and just plain ignorant.  You have inferred that people eat far too much protein, that meal spacing is pointless, etc.  In doing so, you are basically KNOCKING the methods of others.  In addition, by putting the word 'miserable' before the whole chicken and brocolli thing is another case where you are adding your own experience (albiet very limited) to it.  Just like when you said deadlifts were a worthless exercise.  FOR YOU maybe....

For the record you have avoided commenting on the whole competing challenge I put forth, as well as having you get in touch with Brian Whitacre.  Why is that?  Oh wait, you probably wont answer those....

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This is the best diet ever!

Calorie is a calorie!


For a stimulant supplement, smoke atleast 4-5 cigars daily!



Add some cocaine and weed and you have daddywaddy's contest prep. (+250mg test)

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You know something....you are completly clueless and just plain ignorant.  You have inferred that people eat far too much protein, that meal spacing is pointless, etc.  In doing so, you are basically KNOCKING the methods of others.  In addition, by putting the word 'miserable' before the whole chicken and brocolli thing is another case where you are adding your own experience (albiet very limited) to it.  Just like when you said deadlifts were a worthless exercise.  FOR YOU maybe....

For the record you have avoided commenting on the whole competing challenge I put forth, as well as having you get in touch with Brian Whitacre.  Why is that?  Oh wait, you probably wont answer those....
No... i did agree to it but you are too thick headed. I said i would try it after august. Forgotten already? It is ok.... I have to keep reminding you of everything else, why would i put it past you?

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No... i did agree to it but you are too thick headed. I said i would try it after august. Forgotten already? It is ok.... I have to keep reminding you of everything else, why would i put it past you?

Hi TA.

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Hi TA.
Hello anonymous skinny fat keyboard warrior preaching typical bodybuilding lore.

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Hello anonymous skinny fat keyboard warrior preaching typical bodybuilding lore.

worst gimmick ever.