Israel plans nuclear strike on Iran

[The Squadfather]

Berserker, you called me a redneck?  haha

you called yourself a racist earlier.

[Hugo Chavez]

Berserker, you called me a redneck?  haha

Don't be an idiot... I didn't call you a redneck   I accused you of listing to propaganda targeted at dumb rednecks   Learn to read.  Your fist reason for being a zionist was word for word exactly that.

[Hugo Chavez]

you called yourself a racist earlier.

yea, what the hell was that about, who you hatin on Brix, do tell

[a_joker10]

a_joker, I agree with your assessment regarding the 2 state solution.

I think it's fair to ask Hamas to recognize Israel. But I also think it's fair to ask Israel to recognize Palestine. What do you think?

My main problem with the current plan of 2 states, is that it's not a 50/50 split. That is the only way it could be done.

A very fair question also, is why the Palestinians who lives in Palestine/Israel, have no right to vote?

Since they are such a big part of the population in Palestine/Israel, it is only fair that they are represented in the Knesset, the parliament of Israel.

-Hedge

I agree Israel should recognize Palestine and help to make a 2 state solution work. This should include corridors to access both Gaza and the West bank and should include land that their neighbouring sates hold, including land in Syria, Jordan and Egypt.
I wanted clear some things up. Arab Israeli's can vote. Palestinians can't. A Palestinian that lives in the conquered land or was refugee.
The main issue stopping the final peace process iis the right of return and this really needs to be addressed.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf18.html#a

Israel is one of the most open societies in the world. Out of a population of 6.7 million, about 1.3 million — 20 percent of the population — are non-Jews (approximately 1.1 million Muslims, 130,000 Christians and 100,000 Druze).1

Arabs in Israel have equal voting rights; in fact, it is one of the few places in the Middle East where Arab women may vote. Arabs currently hold 8 seats in the 120-seat Knesset. Israeli Arabs have also held various government posts, including one who served as Israel's ambassador to Finland and the current deputy mayor of Tel Aviv. Oscar Abu Razaq was appointed Director General of the Ministry of Interior, the first Arab citizen to become chief executive of a key government ministry. Ariel Sharon's original cabinet included the first Arab minister, Salah Tarif, a Druze who served as a minister without portfolio. An Arab is also a Supreme Court justice.

Arabic, like Hebrew, is an official language in Israel. More than 300,000 Arab children attend Israeli schools. At the time of Israel's founding, there was one Arab high school in the country. Today, there are hundreds of Arab schools.2

In 2002, the Israeli Supreme Court also ruled that the government cannot allocate land based on religion or ethnicity, and may not prevent Arab citizens from living wherever they choose.2a

The sole legal distinction between Jewish and Arab citizens of Israel is that the latter are not required to serve in the Israeli army. This is to spare Arab citizens the need to take up arms against their brethren. Nevertheless, Bedouins have served in paratroop units and other Arabs have volunteered for military duty. Compulsory military service is applied to the Druze and Circassian communities at their own request.

[Brixtonbulldog]

those guys just got a death threat.  I didn't know about them until the video death threat from some Israeli Army guys was sent in to them.

What isn't included is the reason which people are targeted and killed for each side.

Motives are this:

Israel never targets civilians.  Pl's almost ALWAYS target civilians.

Israel attempts to kill terrorists 1 at a time, 3 at a time.  Pl's attempt to kill CIVILIANS 10 at a time, 40 at a time.

Isreal constantly attempts to deal with terrorists... an unreasonable act in itself because they are terrorists.  The Pl's not only harbor terrorists but support them and any attempts to deal with Israelis are never followed through and never compromised upon.

Isreal kills Pl's civilians only when terrorists hide amongst them on purpose, not only to hide, specifically, but to generate sympathy from people like you when civilians are killed.  And you all are buying every shred of it.

[Brixtonbulldog]

you called yourself a racist earlier.

Everyone's racist... the matter is of what degree and what races.

[Brixtonbulldog]

Don't be an idiot... I didn't call you a redneck   I accused you of listing to propaganda targeted at dumb rednecks   Learn to read.  Your fist reason for being a zionist was word for word exactly that.

Why would rednecks need to buy into propaganda.. they already support that side. 

[Brixtonbulldog]

I agree Israel should recognize Palestine and help to make a 2 state solution work. This should include corridors to access both Gaza and the West bank and should include land that their neighbouring sates hold, including land in Syria, Jordan and Egypt.
I wanted clear some things up. Arab Israeli's can vote. Palestinians can't. A Palestinian that lives in the conquered land or was refugee.
The main issue stopping the final peace process iis the right of return and this really needs to be addressed.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf18.html#a

Israel is one of the most open societies in the world. Out of a population of 6.7 million, about 1.3 million — 20 percent of the population — are non-Jews (approximately 1.1 million Muslims, 130,000 Christians and 100,000 Druze).1

Arabs in Israel have equal voting rights; in fact, it is one of the few places in the Middle East where Arab women may vote. Arabs currently hold 8 seats in the 120-seat Knesset. Israeli Arabs have also held various government posts, including one who served as Israel's ambassador to Finland and the current deputy mayor of Tel Aviv. Oscar Abu Razaq was appointed Director General of the Ministry of Interior, the first Arab citizen to become chief executive of a key government ministry. Ariel Sharon's original cabinet included the first Arab minister, Salah Tarif, a Druze who served as a minister without portfolio. An Arab is also a Supreme Court justice.

Arabic, like Hebrew, is an official language in Israel. More than 300,000 Arab children attend Israeli schools. At the time of Israel's founding, there was one Arab high school in the country. Today, there are hundreds of Arab schools.2

In 2002, the Israeli Supreme Court also ruled that the government cannot allocate land based on religion or ethnicity, and may not prevent Arab citizens from living wherever they choose.2a

The sole legal distinction between Jewish and Arab citizens of Israel is that the latter are not required to serve in the Israeli army. This is to spare Arab citizens the need to take up arms against their brethren. Nevertheless, Bedouins have served in paratroop units and other Arabs have volunteered for military duty. Compulsory military service is applied to the Druze and Circassian communities at their own request.

Good post.. I don't completely agree but at least you're being objective.

[Brixtonbulldog]

http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/5999

http://www.americanthinker.com/2004/01/why_does_the_left_hate_israel.html

http://www.freeman.org/m_online/mar97/bainermn.htm

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/254925p-218295c.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/07/the_israel_enigma.html

[Hugo Chavez]

Why would rednecks need to buy into propaganda.. they already support that side. 

Idiot...

[Dos Equis]

Everyone's racist... the matter is of what degree and what races.

Uh.  I beg to differ.  Not true.  Not true at all. 

[Hugo Chavez]

Uh.  I beg to differ.  Not true.  Not true at all. 

I agree with you here... If Brix is all about hating all Arabs or something, that's just puke.  I admit to having a very strong urge to hate all North Koreans when I see them, but I know that wouldn't work in reality, I couldn't go hating on them all.  Dang they sure are funny looking though, especially with that assmarch of theirs... 

[The Squadfather]

Everyone's racist... the matter is of what degree and what races.

oh ok so some racism is OK?

[Brixtonbulldog]

oh ok so some racism is OK?

Not necessarily ok but human nature.  And it would certainly depend if it's based on untrue stereotypes or facts backed up with statistical figures.

[Hugo Chavez]

Not necessarily ok but human nature.  And it would certainly depend if it's based on untrue stereotypes or facts backed up with statistical figures.

So what Races are you hatin on?  Come on, spill it hater

[Brixtonbulldog]

So what Races are you hatin on?  Come on, spill it hater

You first..

But it's also important to remember that racism doesn't have to mean pure hatred.  It can be a general dislike or even just a belief that certain stereotypes are true.

Also there are always exceptions to the rule.  Everyone should be given a chance even if they're culture has its flaws.

[Hugo Chavez]

You first..

But it's also important to remember that racism doesn't have to mean pure hatred.  It can be a general dislike or even just a belief that certain stereotypes are true.

Also there are always exceptions to the rule.  Everyone should be given a chance even if they're culture has its flaws.

Well that the same as I believe, this post pretty much sums up exactly the way I thing but I hardly classify that as being a hater... You were showboating with your comment earlier, you want to meet some real race hate, this aint it...

[Brixtonbulldog]

Well that's already the same as I believe, this post pretty much sums up exactly the way I thing but I hardly classify that as being a hater... You were showboating with your comment earlier, you want to meet some real race hate, this aint it...

My definition and hatred are two very different things.  I'm not here to post my opinions of different races.  I'm here to defend israels right to exist on a board full of guys that obviously hate israel, israelis, or are simply ignorant to the entire ordeal.

[Hugo Chavez]

My definition and hatred are two very different things.  I'm not here to post my opinions of different races.  I'm here to defend israels right to exist on a board full of guys that obviously hate israel, israelis, or are simply ignorant to the entire ordeal.

I don't hate Israelis, and I believe they have the right to exist.  This opinion has always been so with me.  My statement that Zionism must end does not mean I believe the Jews must end or even end in that land.  Of course I do not...  I'm not ignorant to this whole thing, I've spend stupid time reading Zionist crap all the way back to the 1800s, I even have a Zionist literary collection including books that technically "don't exist"  I do not hate Jews even though they love to piss me off when it comes to business.

[Brixtonbulldog]

I don't hate Israelis, and I believe they have the right to exist.  This opinion has always been so with me.  My statement that Zionism must end does not mean I believe the Jews must end or even end in that land.  Of course I do not...  I'm not ignorant to this whole thing, I've spend stupid time reading Zionist crap all the way back to the 1800s, I even have a Zionist literary collection including books that technically "don't exist"  I do not hate Jews even though they love to piss me off when it comes to business.

Not saying you did but it was either one of the above.  Most americans are ignorant to the facts of what's happening over there, even most Jewish Americans.  It isn't like 9/11 that people like 240 can twist and manipulate due to a lack of answers. 

[Hugo Chavez]

Not saying you did but it was either one of the above.  Most americans are ignorant to the facts of what's happening over there, even most Jewish Americans.  It isn't like 9/11 that people like 240 can twist and manipulate due to a lack of answers. 

yea, this I agree with and it's why I hate doing this online where this topic is concerned.  The issue is freaking huge and has many angles and the desire isn't usually there for giant posts to be considered back and forth so it usually dissipates to drivel in short order.

[a_joker10]

yea, this I agree with and it's why I hate doing this online where this topic is concerned.  The issue is freaking huge and has many angles and the desire isn't usually there for giant posts to be considered back and forth so it usually dissipates to drivel in short order.

From what I can see you believe in the end of Israel.

That will not happen.

So I would believe it would be better to focus on an outcome that would include a state of Israel.

[Hugo Chavez]

From what I can see you believe in the end of Israel.

That will not happen.

So I would believe it would be better to focus on an outcome that would include a state of Israel.

WRONG.... I always always have people ASSume this of me... It is not true I guarantee you.  I may have some crazy ideas for peace but it doesn't include an end to the country or the people.

[Hedgehog]

From what I can see you believe in the end of Israel.

That will not happen.

So I would believe it would be better to focus on an outcome that would include a state of Israel.

IMO, Israel should never been created. We all, with some quick decisions in UN, stole the land from the Palestinians.

But things being the way they are, I don't think a whole country can be undone. You can't tell people in Israel to move back to wherever their parents and grand-parents came from.

Like it or not, the Israelis are there, and the sooner everyone comes to terms with it, the better.

Still, the Palestinian state needs to be an equal. Palestinians can't live on less than 10% of the Israel/Palestine area. It has to be 50-50.

Now Israel claims to have problems with Hamas.

Hamas, an organisation that Israel's Intelligence Mossad in the mid-80's started up, to fcuk with the Fatah.

Sometimes you wonder how many people really wants peace?

I definitely support a Palestinian state.

But I also support Israels right to exist. No attack on Israel is ever acceptable.

-Hedge

[Hugo Chavez]

IMO, Israel should never been created. We all, with some quick decisions in UN, stole the land from the Palestinians.

But things being the way they are, I don't think a whole country can be undone. You can't tell people in Israel to move back to wherever their parents and grand-parents came from.

Like it or not, the Israelis are there, and the sooner everyone comes to terms with it, the better.

Still, the Palestinian state needs to be an equal. Palestinians can't live on less than 10% of the Israel/Palestine area. It has to be 50-50.

Now Israel claims to have problems with Hamas.

Hamas, an organisation that Israel's Intelligence Mossad in the mid-80's started up, to fcuk with the Fatah.

Sometimes you wonder how many people really wants peace?

I definitely support a Palestinian state.

But I also support Israels right to exist. No attack on Israel is ever acceptable.

-Hedge

exactly, well said all accept for the palestinian state.  My thinking is a bit different in that area.  I do not believe there should be a palestinian state.  Now I KNOW that's going to confuse people