um no but ortiz aint no cream puff hes tuff as they come
he's not a can but who are you comparing his "tuffness" with?
ken shamrock, forrest griffin hahaha
I could still here mike goldberg saying back in 02 after beating old overrated shammy "this makes tito a legend the greatest pound for pound fighter in the world" hahahahahaha
so many people bought it then and a few still like to think he is atleast in the argument
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