Some words from our President.

[Mars]

The war criminal Bush and that Rumsfield deserve only to be beaten with shoes by freedom loving people everywhere.

[Man of Steel]

The war criminal Bush and that Rumsfield deserve only to be beaten with shoes by freedom loving people everywhere.

AHAHAAHAH!!!  "beaten with shoes" AHAAHAH!!

[The Squadfather]

Guys, do you think this regression is due to alcoholism?

no he's just naturally stupid.

[Mr. Intenseone]

This will make your day!

freaking liberals.....you gotta love em because they're so retarded...lol!

[240 is Back]

freaking liberals.....you gotta love em because they're so retarded...lol!

yes, but can you refute his point?

Do you think lying about a BJ is better, worse, or equal to say, lying about WMD and discarding intel about 9/11, starting a war in Iraq and managing it in such a way as to lose 3000 live, most AFTER he declared victory?

[Eyeball Chambers]

[Dos Equis]

The American people are not stupid, they are very clever.

You better let 240 know about this.   

[mightymouse72]

and yet, another bush bashing thread. 

 

[240 is Back]

and yet, another bush bashing thread. 

Weird that getbig posting trends would reflect the opinion of society, eh?

[The Showstoppa]

and yet, another bush bashing thread. 

 

Don't worry about it....The HEELS are going to beat Dook to death next Weds. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mightymouse72]

Don't worry about it....The HEELS are going to beat Dook to death next Weds. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that's right baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
national champs-2007

[Dos Equis]

and yet, another bush bashing thread. 

 

What a surprise.   

[OzmO]

BUSH, BTW, would have never have to been bashed, instead he could have been revered.............unfo rtunatly for the drones BUSh will be remembered for his blunder in Iraq rather than his resolve in the aftermath of 9/11.


P.S.:  Any large group of people are stupid.

[mightymouse72]

P.S.:  Any large group of people are stupid.

 

[240 is Back]

unfortunatly for the drones BUSh will be remembered for his blunder in Iraq rather than his resolve in the aftermath of 9/11.

You mean for those 10+ minutes where he read "My Pet Goat" upside down while staring into space, after being told of the second plane hitting the towers?

[OzmO]

 

People in large groups, (from small mobs to millions) tend to be easily manipulated and act stupidly.  Individuals on the other hand can be very smart.

[Dos Equis]

People in large groups, (from small mobs to millions) tend to be easily manipulated and act stupidly.  Individuals on the other hand can be very smart.

There is some truth to this.  "Group think" is very common.  Not always "smart." 

[240 is Back]

People in large groups, (from small mobs to millions) tend to be easily manipulated and act stupidly.  Individuals on the other hand can be very smart.

A stigma comes with speaking outside of commonly accepted information - even when you're right.

A vietnam vet would take a man outside and kick his ass in 1970 for insinuating the US govt staged the Gulf of Tonken to get us into war.

In 2007, it's commonly known, and even used by politicians all the time, that the Gulf of Tonken was a fake attack to gain public support for the war.

[OzmO]

You mean for those 10+ minutes where he read "My Pet Goat" upside down while staring into space, after being told of the second plane hitting the towers?

NO, (but i share your sarcasm) I mean his actions after the attacks, gave him the opportunity to be remember as a truely great president.  Instead, he became a war monger and invaded Iraq, caused the death of thousands, incurred 400+ billion in costs, and put our country on the most hated list of more countries.

[OzmO]

A stigma comes with speaking outside of commonly accepted information - even when you're right.

A vietnam vet would take a man outside and kick his ass in 1970 for insinuating the US govt staged the Gulf of Tonken to get us into war.

In 2007, it's commonly known, and even used by politicians all the time, that the Gulf of Tonken was a fake attack to gain public support for the war.

Like him or hate him,  Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent gets into manipulating large groups of people real well.

[240 is Back]

NO, (but i share your sarcasm) I mean his actions after the attacks, gave him the opportunity to be remember as a truely great president.  Instead, he became a war monger and invaded Iraq, caused the death of thousands, incurred 400+ billion in costs, and put our country on the most hated list of more countries.

Ozmo,

My next post will be a brief history of the relationship between the taleban and the US.

We put them into power so that they could give us the oil pipeline.  Then they took our paycheck and screwed us.  THAT is why we invaded Afghanistan - to secure longterm US resources.  IF Bush is remembered as great, it will be for controlling mid east oil and not letting china or russia have it.  

The Afghan invasion was very much going to happen in mid-october, even if nothing had happened on 9/11.

[240 is Back]

1991-1997: Oil Investment in Central Asia Follows Soviet CollapseThe Soviet Union collapses in 1991, creating several new nations in Central Asia.

1995-November 2001: US Lobbies India Over Enron Power PlantEnron’s $3 billion Dabhol, India power plant runs into trouble in 1995 when the Indian government temporarily cancels an agreement.

September-October 1995: Unocal Obtains Turkmenistan Pipeline DealOil company Unocal signs an $8 billion deal with Turkmenistan to construct two pipelines (one for oil, one for gas), as part of a larger plan for two pipelines intended to transport oil and gas from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan and into Pakistan.

December 1995: Caspian Sea Said to Contain Two-Thirds of World’s Known Oil Reserves

May 1996: US Seeks Stability in Afghanistan for Unocal Pipeline

June 24, 1996: Uzbekistan Cuts a Deal with EnronUzbekistan signs a deal with Enron

August 13, 1996: Unocal, Delta Oil Plan Afghan Pipeline

September 27, 1996: Victorious Taliban Supported by Pakistan; Viewed by US, Unocal as Stabilizing Force

October 7, 1996: Future Bush Envoy to Afghanistan Wants US to Help Taliban Unify Country, Build Pipeline

October 11, 1996: Afghan Pipeline Key to ‘One of the Great Prizes of the 21st Century’

August 1997: CIA Monitors Central Asia for Oil Reserves

October 27, 1997: Halliburton Announces Turkmenistan Project; Unocal and Delta Oil Form ConsortiumHalliburton, a company headed by future Vice President Dick Cheney

November 1997: Enron and bin Laden Family Team Up for Project

December 1997: Unocal Establishes Pipeline Training Facility Near bin Laden’s Compound

December 4, 1997: Taliban Representatives Visit Unocal in Texas

Early 1998: US Official Meets with Taliban; Promote Afghan Pipeline

June 23, 1998: Future VP Cheney Raves About Caspian Sea Opportunities

August 9, 1998: Northern Alliance Stronghold Conquered by Taliban; Pipeline Project Now Looks Promising

December 5, 1998: Unocal Abandons Afghan Pipeline Project

Late 1998: Taliban Stall Pipeline Negotiations to Keep Western Powers at Bay

1999: US Ready to Fight For Oil, Especially in Persian Gulf and Caspian Regions
A top level US policy document explicitly confirms the US military’s readiness to fight a war for oil. The report, Strategic Assessment 1999, prepared for the US Joint Chiefs of Staff and the secretary of defense, states, “energy and resource issues will continue to shape international security,” and if an oil “problem” arises, “US forces might be used to ensure adequate supplies.” Oil conflicts over production facilities and transport routes, particularly in the Persian Gulf and Caspian regions, are specifically envisaged. [Sydney Morning Herald, 5/20/2003]

July 4, 1999: Executive Order Issued Against Taliban

December 20, 1999: Iran Said to Be Supporting Conflict in Afghanistan to Further Their Own Pipeline Plans

December 19, 2000: US Seeks Taliban Overthrow

January 21, 2001: Bush Administration Takes Over; Many Have Oil Industry Connections

May 16, 2001: Cheney’s Energy Plan Foresees Government Helping US Companies Expand Into New Markets

May 23, 2001: Former Unocal Employee Becomes Bush’s Special Assistant to Middle East and Central Asia

June 27, 2001: India and Pakistan Discuss Building Pipeline Project Through Iran

July 21, 2001: US Official Threatens Possible Military Action Against Taliban by October if Pipeline Is Not Pursued

August 2, 2001: US Official Secretly Meets Taliban Ambassador in Last Attempt to Secure Pipeline Deal

September 11, 2001: The 9/11 Attack

October 5, 2001: Study Reveals Significant Oil and Gas Deposits in Afghanistan

October 9, 2001: Afghan Pipeline Idea Is Revived

December 8, 2001: US Oil Companies to Invest $200 Billion in Kazakhstan
January 1, 2002: Ex-Unocal Employee Becomes US Special Envoy and ’Real President’ of Afghanistan

February 9, 2002: Pakistani and Afghan Leaders Revive Afghanistan Pipeline

February 14, 2002: US Military Bases Line Afghan Pipeline Route

May 30, 2002: Afghan, Turkmen, and Pakistani Leaders Sign Pipeline Deal

December 27, 2002: Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Turkmenistan Agree on Building Pipeline

[OzmO]

Ozmo,

My next post will be a brief history of the relationship between the taleban and the US.

We put them into power so that they could give us the oil pipeline.  Then they took our paycheck and screwed us.  THAT is why we invaded Afghanistan - to secure longterm US resources.  IF Bush is remembered as great, it will be for controlling mid east oil and not letting china or russia have it. 

The Afghan invasion was very much going to happen in mid-october, even if nothing had happened on 9/11.

If we were for sure going to invade afghanistan in October there would be wide spread knoowledge of it in the millitary 6 mos to a year prior.

Assets and logistics would have been immposible to cover up.  I knew about iraq 6 months before it happened.

So, although your timeline looks good, i think there should be more supporting evidence.

[Stark]

1991-1997: Oil Investment in Central Asia Follows Soviet CollapseThe Soviet Union collapses in 1991, creating several new nations in Central Asia.

1995-November 2001: US Lobbies India Over Enron Power PlantEnron’s $3 billion Dabhol, India power plant runs into trouble in 1995 when the Indian government temporarily cancels an agreement.

September-October 1995: Unocal Obtains Turkmenistan Pipeline DealOil company Unocal signs an $8 billion deal with Turkmenistan to construct two pipelines (one for oil, one for gas), as part of a larger plan for two pipelines intended to transport oil and gas from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan and into Pakistan.

December 1995: Caspian Sea Said to Contain Two-Thirds of World’s Known Oil Reserves

May 1996: US Seeks Stability in Afghanistan for Unocal Pipeline

June 24, 1996: Uzbekistan Cuts a Deal with EnronUzbekistan signs a deal with Enron

August 13, 1996: Unocal, Delta Oil Plan Afghan Pipeline

September 27, 1996: Victorious Taliban Supported by Pakistan; Viewed by US, Unocal as Stabilizing Force

October 7, 1996: Future Bush Envoy to Afghanistan Wants US to Help Taliban Unify Country, Build Pipeline

October 11, 1996: Afghan Pipeline Key to ‘One of the Great Prizes of the 21st Century’

August 1997: CIA Monitors Central Asia for Oil Reserves

October 27, 1997: Halliburton Announces Turkmenistan Project; Unocal and Delta Oil Form ConsortiumHalliburton, a company headed by future Vice President Dick Cheney

November 1997: Enron and bin Laden Family Team Up for Project

December 1997: Unocal Establishes Pipeline Training Facility Near bin Laden’s Compound

December 4, 1997: Taliban Representatives Visit Unocal in Texas

Early 1998: US Official Meets with Taliban; Promote Afghan Pipeline

June 23, 1998: Future VP Cheney Raves About Caspian Sea Opportunities

August 9, 1998: Northern Alliance Stronghold Conquered by Taliban; Pipeline Project Now Looks Promising

December 5, 1998: Unocal Abandons Afghan Pipeline Project

Late 1998: Taliban Stall Pipeline Negotiations to Keep Western Powers at Bay

1999: US Ready to Fight For Oil, Especially in Persian Gulf and Caspian Regions
A top level US policy document explicitly confirms the US military’s readiness to fight a war for oil. The report, Strategic Assessment 1999, prepared for the US Joint Chiefs of Staff and the secretary of defense, states, “energy and resource issues will continue to shape international security,” and if an oil “problem” arises, “US forces might be used to ensure adequate supplies.” Oil conflicts over production facilities and transport routes, particularly in the Persian Gulf and Caspian regions, are specifically envisaged. [Sydney Morning Herald, 5/20/2003]

July 4, 1999: Executive Order Issued Against Taliban

December 20, 1999: Iran Said to Be Supporting Conflict in Afghanistan to Further Their Own Pipeline Plans

December 19, 2000: US Seeks Taliban Overthrow

January 21, 2001: Bush Administration Takes Over; Many Have Oil Industry Connections

May 16, 2001: Cheney’s Energy Plan Foresees Government Helping US Companies Expand Into New Markets

May 23, 2001: Former Unocal Employee Becomes Bush’s Special Assistant to Middle East and Central Asia

June 27, 2001: India and Pakistan Discuss Building Pipeline Project Through Iran

July 21, 2001: US Official Threatens Possible Military Action Against Taliban by October if Pipeline Is Not Pursued

August 2, 2001: US Official Secretly Meets Taliban Ambassador in Last Attempt to Secure Pipeline Deal

September 11, 2001: The 9/11 Attack

October 5, 2001: Study Reveals Significant Oil and Gas Deposits in Afghanistan

October 9, 2001: Afghan Pipeline Idea Is Revived

December 8, 2001: US Oil Companies to Invest $200 Billion in Kazakhstan
January 1, 2002: Ex-Unocal Employee Becomes US Special Envoy and ’Real President’ of Afghanistan

February 9, 2002: Pakistani and Afghan Leaders Revive Afghanistan Pipeline

February 14, 2002: US Military Bases Line Afghan Pipeline Route

May 30, 2002: Afghan, Turkmen, and Pakistani Leaders Sign Pipeline Deal

December 27, 2002: Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Turkmenistan Agree on Building Pipeline

I need people like you to post on my board... awesome post, do you know that I still hire Moderators?

[The Showstoppa]

Ozmo,

My next post will be a brief history of the relationship between the taleban and the US.

We put them into power so that they could give us the oil pipeline.  Then they took our paycheck and screwed us.  THAT is why we invaded Afghanistan - to secure longterm US resources.  IF Bush is remembered as great, it will be for controlling mid east oil and not letting china or russia have it.  

The Afghan invasion was very much going to happen in mid-october, even if nothing had happened on 9/11.

And ?  I can't think of any better justification.  And there is no way that if Bush would have stated the "real" reason, that Americans would have supported invading.  The media would have had a field day with the "no blood for oil" mantra.