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Re: Sure Signs That Your Empire Is Crumbling
« Reply #100 on: February 07, 2007, 07:44:22 AM »
obviously i don't agree with some (i-one comes to mind) that we should carpet bomb baghdad, or his assertion that the thought of killing 23 million and starting over is acceptable "is a tough choice".

the reason we're losing, imo, is the poor use of forces, or inadequate numbers.  i def don't want our men doing any torture or rules violations.  i just think they are being walked in circles inside a shooting gallery to stall the war outcome.

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Re: Sure Signs That Your Empire Is Crumbling
« Reply #101 on: February 07, 2007, 08:01:18 AM »
I believe that if any group is going to take risks and yes, die in action, in order to remove the crime and insurgency from Iraq... IT SHOULD BE IRAQIS!


You don't think America bears any responsibility for having gone in there and creating the chaos to begin with?
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Re: Sure Signs That Your Empire Is Crumbling
« Reply #102 on: February 07, 2007, 09:17:37 AM »
You don't think America bears any responsibility for having gone in there and creating the chaos to begin with?

America absolutely created the situation. But we've also given the iraqi people the chance to choose their leadership to rebuild.  They chose maliki.  And we've given them 2+ years of police training now.  Every Iraqi should pick up a gun or a phone and get involved in their own security now.

US forces need to back out of the cities and let the Iraqi military and police do their job now.  If we condone letting our men do it now, they're going to be doing it in 5, 10, 15 years. 

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Re: Sure Signs That Your Empire Is Crumbling
« Reply #103 on: February 07, 2007, 10:10:01 AM »
Pallets of US cash sent to Baghdad before handover
Wed 7 Feb 2007 1:23:56 GMT

By Jeremy Pelofsky

WASHINGTON, Feb 6 (Reuters) - The U.S. Federal Reserve sent record payouts of more than $4 billion in cash to Baghdad on giant pallets aboard military planes shortly before the United States gave control back to Iraqis, lawmakers said on Tuesday.

The money, which had been held by the United States, came from Iraqi oil exports, surplus dollars from the U.N.-run oil-for-food program and frozen assets belonging to the ousted Saddam Hussein regime.

Bills weighing a total of 363 tons were loaded onto military aircraft in the largest cash shipments ever made by the Federal Reserve, said Rep. Henry Waxman, chairman of the House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

"Who in their right mind would send 363 tons of cash into a war zone? But that's exactly what our government did," the California Democrat said during a hearing reviewing possible waste, fraud and abuse of funds in Iraq.

On Dec. 12, 2003, $1.5 billion was shipped to Iraq, initially "the largest pay out of U.S. currency in Fed history," according to an e-mail cited by committee members.

It was followed by more than $2.4 billion on June 22, 2004, and $1.6 billion three days later. The CPA turned over sovereignty on June 28.

Paul Bremer, who as the administrator of the Coalition Provisional Authority ran Iraq after initial combat operations ended, said the enormous shipments were done at the request of the Iraqi minister of finance.

"He said, 'I am concerned that I will not have the money to support the Iraqi government expenses for the first couple of months after we are sovereign. We won't have the mechanisms in place, I won't know how to get the money here,'" Bremer said.

"So these shipments were made at the explicit request of the Iraqi minister of finance to forward fund government expenses, a perfectly, seems to me, legitimate use of his money," Bremer told lawmakers.

WHERE'S THE MONEY?

Democrats led by Waxman also questioned whether the lack of oversight of $12 billion in Iraqi money that was disbursed by Bremer and the CPA somehow enabled insurgents to get their hands on the funds, possibly through falsifying names on the government payroll.

"I have no knowledge of monies being diverted. I would certainly be concerned if I thought they were," Bremer said. He pointed out that the problem of fake names on the payroll existed before the U.S.-led invasion.

The special inspector general for Iraqi reconstruction, Stuart Bowen, said in a January 2005 report that $8.8 billion was unaccounted for after being given to the Iraqi ministries.

"We were in the middle of a war, working in very difficult conditions, and we had to move quickly to get this Iraqi money working for the Iraqi people," Bremer told lawmakers. He said there was no banking system and it would have been impossible to apply modern accounting standards in the midst of a war.

"I acknowledge that I made mistakes and that, with the benefit of hindsight, I would have made some decisions differently," Bremer said.

Republicans argued that Bremer and the CPA staff did the best they could under the circumstances and accused Democrats of trying to score political points over the increasingly unpopular Iraq war.

"We are in a war against terrorists, to have a blame meeting isn't, in my opinion, constructive," said Rep. Dan Burton, an Indiana Republican.


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Re: Sure Signs That Your Empire Is Crumbling
« Reply #104 on: February 07, 2007, 10:16:41 AM »
Pallets of US cash sent to Baghdad before handover
Wed 7 Feb 2007 1:23:56 GMT
By Jeremy Pelofsky

WASHINGTON, Feb 6 (Reuters) - The U.S. Federal Reserve sent record payouts of more than $4 billion in cash to Baghdad on giant pallets aboard military planes shortly before the United States gave control back to Iraqis, lawmakers said on Tuesday.

The money, which had been held by the United States, came from Iraqi oil exports, surplus dollars from the U.N.-run oil-for-food program and frozen assets belonging to the ousted Saddam Hussein regime.


Question...

Can everyone now admit that Iraqi oil is indeed flowing out of Iraq now?

363 tons of cash.  Nice.

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Re: Sure Signs That Your Empire Is Crumbling
« Reply #105 on: February 07, 2007, 10:40:01 AM »

Question...

Can everyone now admit that Iraqi oil is indeed flowing out of Iraq now?

363 tons of cash.  Nice.

That won't work. You know what an ultra-left propaganda outfit Reuters is.  ::)

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Re: Sure Signs That Your Empire Is Crumbling
« Reply #106 on: February 07, 2007, 11:32:04 AM »
Reconstruction Official on Iraqi Billions: "What Difference Does It Make?"
By Paul Kiel - February 6, 2007, 2:06 PM

What happened to billions in Iraqi funds that were overseen by the Coalition Provisional Authority? That's not "important," according to David Oliver, the former Director of Management and Budget of the agency.

A recording of the unfortunately candid remarks, previously made by Oliver to the BBC, were played during this morning's oversight hearing by Rep. Diane Watson (D-CA). The hearing has focused on the CPA's administration of nearly $9 billion in Iraqi funds in 2003 and 2004 -- money that Stuart Bowen, Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction, has said was inadequately accounted for.

"I have no idea, I can't tell you whether or not the money went to the right things or didn't - nor do I actually think it is important," Oliver says on the tape . "Billions of dollars of their money disappeared, yes I understand, I'm saying what difference does it make?"

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002492.php

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Re: Sure Signs That Your Empire Is Crumbling
« Reply #107 on: February 07, 2007, 11:40:24 AM »
hahahaha "what difference does it make?"

what a f'king crook.

quick, someone defend him by saying pilferage is a-okay because of Pelosi's san francisco!!

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Re: Sure Signs That Your Empire Is Crumbling
« Reply #108 on: February 07, 2007, 02:06:17 PM »
why was the FEd giving that money back to iraq?  We should have kept it.  What the fuck
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Re: Sure Signs That Your Empire Is Crumbling
« Reply #109 on: February 07, 2007, 02:08:10 PM »
why was the FEd giving that money back to iraq?  We should have kept it.  What the f**k

We're buying the money from them quietly, dude:

Pallets of US cash sent to Baghdad before handover
Wed 7 Feb 2007 1:23:56 GMT
By Jeremy Pelofsky

WASHINGTON, Feb 6 (Reuters) - The U.S. Federal Reserve sent record payouts of more than $4 billion in cash to Baghdad on giant pallets aboard military planes shortly before the United States gave control back to Iraqis, lawmakers said on Tuesday.

The money, which had been held by the United States, came from Iraqi oil exports, surplus dollars from the U.N.-run oil-for-food program and frozen assets belonging to the ousted Saddam Hussein regime.

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Re: Sure Signs That Your Empire Is Crumbling
« Reply #110 on: February 07, 2007, 02:26:48 PM »
I hope so, we are getting demonized for doing so we might as well be actually doing it.
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Re: Sure Signs That Your Empire Is Crumbling
« Reply #111 on: February 07, 2007, 08:30:42 PM »
I hope so, we are getting demonized for doing so we might as well be actually doing it.

I agree...  can I get gas down to 99 cents a gallon? Please?

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Re: Sure Signs That Your Empire Is Crumbling
« Reply #112 on: February 08, 2007, 03:36:20 AM »
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