Ken patera is incredible!!! That second pix, although still very impressive is from the late 80's after he got out of jail, I believe. Late 70's was his biggest. The guy also was a great heel!!!! Sold everything like curt henning did...and that shouldn't be a surprise because the henning family is from the AWA territory that Ken started at. Just the way he moved, talked, you knew he was a tough sob, legit.