Common sense and party politics

[240 is Back]

Bush makes it clear: "I AM THE DECISION MAKER".

When you say that, you take the praise when these decisions work, and you take the blame when they fail.

Bush's decisions to continually remove generals and install new ones every time those in power talk bad about policy.  So when you keep firing guys, you gotta take the blame.

[BRUCE]

Bush makes it clear: "I AM THE DECISION MAKER".

When you say that, you take the praise when these decisions work, and you take the blame when they fail.

Bush's decisions to continually remove generals and install new ones every time those in power talk bad about policy.  So when you keep firing guys, you gotta take the blame.

What's your view on Chavez, 240?

If I could criticise you (and believe me, I can!), I'd say that you sometimes have your own opinions tainted by seemingly aligning yourself with those here with more radical views.

[240 is Back]

What's your view on Chavez, 240?

If I could criticise you (and believe me, I can!), I'd say that you sometimes have your own opinions tainted by seemingly aligning yourself with those here with more radical views.

I'm about what's best for America without abuses.  In other words, 911 was an abuse (you could have attacked a military installation and got the desired psyop effect), but invading afghan was good (based upon f'king us on that oil deal).  Stealing Iraqi oil is an inevitable necessity, but letting men die in the cities to run up the tab for the mil ind complex is not.

As far as hugo?  He's right when he says george Bush is all about US imperialism over the resources of others.  I don't think anyone can really argue the line of bases along the pipeline, and the second line to battle india/china is no coincidence.   He's right to unite S. America nations (for their good, not ours) so we can't pick them off one-by-one as we are doing in the mid east.  He's wrong if it's true he's f'king his people with his domestic policies, but I don't know a lot about that.

hugo knows he's got the what, 5th most oil in the world?  He knows it takes a quick false flag op and we're in their ass like it's prom night.  he's unifying them into OPEC2 so they're less vulnerable, just as the smart half of the mid east does. 

[BRUCE]

I'm about what's best for America without abuses.  In other words, 911 was an abuse (you could have attacked a military installation and got the desired psyop effect), but invading afghan was good (based upon f'king us on that oil deal).  Stealing Iraqi oil is an inevitable necessity, but letting men die in the cities to run up the tab for the mil ind complex is not.

As far as hugo?  He's right when he says george Bush is all about US imperialism over the resources of others.  I don't think anyone can really argue the line of bases along the pipeline, and the second line to battle india/china is no coincidence.   He's right to unite S. America nations (for their good, not ours) so we can't pick them off one-by-one as we are doing in the mid east.  He's wrong if it's true he's f'king his people with his domestic policies, but I don't know a lot about that.

hugo knows he's got the what, 5th most oil in the world?  He knows it takes a quick false flag op and we're in their ass like it's prom night.  he's unifying them into OPEC2 so they're less vulnerable, just as the smart half of the mid east does. 

The US is not imperialistic.

How do you feel about starving Venezeulans getting by on chicken feet with unstoppable hyper-inflation rampant?

Should you not be ideologically opposed to socialism as a student of business and a proud American?

[Hugo Chavez]

The US is not imperialistic.

wow... bold statement... almost funny

[240 is Back]

The US is not imperialistic.

Yes, we are.  We are the NWO and it's happening very slowly.  Look at how we've influenced the map of the mid east in the last 15 years.  You're either being run by one of our choices, you're letting us keep bases in your yard, or we're at your borders with the war clouds (Hi Iran!)

No leader can stop it, and it's necessary for us to maintain our way of living and keep the chinese from growing to a level where they're doing it to us.  You don't have to believe we're doing it.  But we are.  Altruism is dead, charity is gone.  You're with us (and our goals of resource mgmt) or you're fucked.  It's how it is.

How do you feel about starving Venezeulans getting by on chicken feet with unstoppable hyper-inflation rampant?

it's bullshit, of course.

Should you not be ideologically opposed to socialism as a student of business and a proud American?

no.  if every nation was a democracy and capitalist, the world would fail.  We need nations whose level is only cost and profit - let the smart third advance to the investment level.  we need mnfg nations.  without them, we all become the same and that means a slide for the us and the aussies and eur.

[BRUCE]

Yes, we are.  We are the NWO and it's happening very slowly.  Look at how we've influenced the map of the mid east in the last 15 years.  You're either being run by one of our choices, you're letting us keep bases in your yard, or we're at your borders with the war clouds (Hi Iran!)

What you've described to me, however inaccurate, is still not imperialism.  I could take you to 'The Vault' on this one, what do you think?

[G o a t b o y]

Yes, we are.  We are the NWO and it's happening very slowly.  Look at how we've influenced the map of the mid east in the last 15 years.  You're either being run by one of our choices, you're letting us keep bases in your yard, or we're at your borders with the war clouds (Hi Iran!)

No leader can stop it, and it's necessary for us to maintain our way of living and keep the chinese from growing to a level where they're doing it to us.  You don't have to believe we're doing it.  But we are.  Altruism is dead, charity is gone.  You're with us (and our goals of resource mgmt) or you're fucked.  It's how it is.

And what alternatives would you suggest?  Not being properly positioned to maintain our oil supply when oil starts running out (and no one knows exactly when this will happen), and letting our standard of living drop to that of a third-world country basically overnight?

While I'm not suggesting that Bush & Co don't have ulterior motives, that doesn't change the fact that we must maintain operational control over the Persian gulf region at least until alternative energy sources become viable and widely deployed in America.  I don't see any other choice.

[240 is Back]

And what alternatives would you suggest?  Not being properly positioned to maintain our oil supply when oil starts running out (and no one knows exactly when this will happen), and letting our standard of living drop to that of a third-world country basically overnight?

While I'm not suggesting that Bush & Co don't have ulterior motives, that doesn't change the fact that we must maintain operational control over the Persian gulf region at least until alternative energy sources become viable and widely deployed in America.  I don't see any other choice.

As I said - I'm okay with the resource manipulation - I just hate abuses like haliburton and missing billions.  I'm okay with invading afghanistan - i just didn't like them letting 911 happen to do it.  I understand we have to do shady shit to stay on top (and anyway - iraq was going to get anally reamed by someone for their oil, might as well have been us).

We have to control the mid east now - if we leave, china will take it.  I know this, and obama, hilary, mitt, and everyone else knows it.  It's the decision of the higher powers, and they're right. 

Also I get annoyed by the "we are just helping them" people. 

[240 is Back]

What you've described to me, however inaccurate, is still not imperialism.  I could take you to 'The Vault' on this one, what do you think?

the vault? i don't follow. 

as sandycoos pointed out, the bases line the proposed oil pipeline, and they line what would be the line of defense against an asian invasion (cool rhyme there).  If you have a better reason why they line up like this, I'm all ears.

and i believe it's imperialism because we export our culture in addition to our other "gifts".

[BRUCE]

the vault? i don't follow. 

See my stickied thread at the top of the board, mate.

[militarymuscle69]

Bush makes it clear: "I AM THE DECISION MAKER".

When you say that, you take the praise when these decisions work, and you take the blame when they fail.

Bush's decisions to continually remove generals and install new ones every time those in power talk bad about policy.  So when you keep firing guys, you gotta take the blame.

It isn't Bush that makes it clear that he makes the decision. It is the constitution that appoints the president as the Commander In Chief.

[240 is Back]

It isn't Bush that makes it clear that he makes the decision. It is the constitution that appoints the president as the Commander In Chief.

No, it's Bush who DECLARES he is the decision maker. 

So when people blame the generals, well, HE appoints them. When ppl blame the intel, HE cherry picked it at best (and fabricated it at the worst).  This is a fact.