Chavez-As Honest As Any Other Tin Pot Dictator

[Hugo Chavez]

So you are FAR left? because I do agree that both liberals and conservatives are mis labled. I specifically said my characterization was on far left libs. But in his day bunker would have been liberal. Me and my much older civilian co-workers have had a lot of talks on this. In todayy's eyes he wouldn't be but if you think about what the difference was then it was different.

well I've been around this for a while and I'm just telling you, The face of Archie was not meant to be liberal, nor would he have been taken as a liberal at the time by the audience.  but as I said in my post, did he often end up doing the right thing as what might be defined as being right by a liberal, yes, but was he presented to the audience as a liberal, hell no he wasn't...

[Thin Lizzy]

Terms tend to morph as the years pass. Ironically, the term "Liberalism" used to be synonymous with "Capitalism." As it stands now, "Liberal" means "Socialist."

[Hugo Chavez]

I agree the terms sometimes change or can be applied differently over time.  I just don't agree that Archie Bunker was presented at the time as a liberal.  That is just simply not the case.  Archie was a strong supporter of what politician?  Nixon...  Was Nixon considered liberal?  I guess you could compare the delivery of Archie to be like that of Stephen Colbert as a Conservative talk show pundit but in a family sitcom setting. Liberal lessons behind a conservative facade.

[Hedgehog]

How would you label the people who parrot the words of these two political illiterates?

They're cheated.

Cheated by those who they put their trust in to bring news and political commentary.

Media holds lots of power, it's not called the fourth branch of power for nothing, there is a lot of responsibility that comes with that power.

The gatekeepers of today have a huge impact on what we discuss, and what we have opinions on.

At the very least we should trust them to have knowledge of basic political terminology.



Wouldn't surprise me the least if Bill O'Reilly thinks Adam Smith is some basketball player or shit like that.

Limbaugh probably thinks Samuel Adams is a beer brand.

-Hedge

[Dos Equis]

Yea, so ridiculous...

President Bush has quietly claimed the authority to disobey more than 750 laws enacted since he took office, asserting that he has the power to set aside any statute passed by Congress when it conflicts with his interpretation of the Constitution.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/30/bush_challenges_hundreds_of_laws/

Are we a dictatorship?  Obviously no... Are we closer to one than before Bush, obviously yes...  Is he consolidating power?  Obviously... Name it whatever you want... I'll name it what it looks like... Bush=Wannabe dictator.

"A dictatorship would be a lot easier... So long as I'm the dictator."--GW Bush

But these days, he just goes with, "I’m the decider, and I decide what is best."--GW Bush

Yes, absolutely ridiculous.   

And how is that the president "quietly" signed hundreds of presidential signing statements?  You mean these weren't public documents and the print and internet media didn't know about these signing statements and write a plethora of articles about them?   

And are you saying presidents haven't signed presidential signing statements for decades?

And if the president actually "ignores" a law, someone will file a legal action and the judicial branch will determine whether or not the president acted properly. 

This is alarmist nonsense IMO.

[Hugo Chavez]

Yes, absolutely ridiculous.   

And how is that the president "quietly" signed hundreds of presidential signing statements?  You mean these weren't public documents and the print and internet media didn't know about these signing statements and write a plethora of articles about them?   

And are you saying presidents haven't signed presidential signing statements for decades?

And if the president actually "ignores" a law, someone will file a legal action and the judicial branch will determine whether or not the president acted properly. 

This is alarmist nonsense IMO.

Any reason you would want to leave out that Bush has, in his signing statements, challenged more individual statutes than all other previous presidents combined, and Bush has far more frequently used signing statements "to waive his obligation to follow" even clear provisions in the law he just signed?

uh hum...

[Hugo Chavez]

LOL, it's like a dictator scale,... and Bush scores off the charts lOLOLOL....

[240 is Back]

And how is that the president "quietly" signed hundreds of presidential signing statements?  You mean these weren't public documents and the print and internet media didn't know about these signing statements and write a plethora of articles about them?  

And are you saying presidents haven't signed presidential signing statements for decades?

And if the president actually "ignores" a law, someone will file a legal action and the judicial branch will determine whether or not the president acted properly. 

This is alarmist nonsense IMO.

Berserker's chart completely destroys you.  Just do you know. 

[Dos Equis]

Any reason you would want to leave out that Bush has, in his signing statements, challenged more individual statutes than all other previous presidents combined, and Bush has far more frequently used signing statements "to waive his obligation to follow" even clear provisions in the law he just signed?

uh hum...

So what.  How many times has he actually ignored a provision of a law based on a presidential signing statement?  And like I said, if he oversteps his bounds, the courts step in.  It is the judicial branch that will decide, at the end of the day, whether a particular law or a presidential signing statement is unconstitutional.    

[Hugo Chavez]

So what.  How many times has he actually ignored a provision of a law based on a presidential signing statement?  And like I said, if he oversteps his bounds, the courts step in.  It is the judicial branch that will decide, at the end of the day, whether a particular law or a presidential signing statement is unconstitutional.    

You remind me of somone Beach...

"I SEE NOTHING!!! NOTHING!!!"

[Dos Equis]

You remind me of somone Beach...

"I SEE NOTHING!!! NOTHING!!!"

   You remind me of a cartoon, which is why I don't take you seriously. 

[Hugo Chavez]

  You remind me of a cartoon, which is why I don't take you seriously. 

  You remind me of a fool, which is why I don't take you seriously.

[Dos Equis]

 

[Hugo Chavez]