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« Reply #175 on: March 13, 2007, 07:19:55 PM »
you ate the cell too? ;)


He's gotta get some roughage from something..  ;) .. BTW Matt, the guys from GMV said to say g'day.

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« Reply #176 on: March 13, 2007, 07:39:54 PM »

My weight is around 180.  My question is: if I do gear will ALL gains be lost when I go off gear?

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« Reply #177 on: March 13, 2007, 08:02:04 PM »
So could I even keep 10 pounds off a regular gym cycle?  Even 10 pounds is good mass to me.

10lbs of muscle, no way.

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« Reply #178 on: March 13, 2007, 08:02:38 PM »
a lot of my friend juice a little bit only 1 time a year and they all keep most of the size.
they lose the "juice pump" but they definitly keep a lot of the size

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Re: Started the Adonis principles today - hardest workout ever!!
« Reply #179 on: March 13, 2007, 08:05:13 PM »
man you have quite the hard-on for Adonis don't you?

Maybe you should jerk off to a picture of him, and get it over with.

Why not just jerk-off in front of Adonis?

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Re: Started the Adonis principles today - hardest workout ever!!
« Reply #180 on: March 13, 2007, 08:09:59 PM »
Adam....I never got a comment from you on this:

Adam....your comment on the whole Big Mac vs. Chicken breast thing has always troubled me...so I did a little math.....

Here are some stats on broiled ground beef:

4oz Ground Beef (85%)  29.3gm P, 0gm C, 20.2gm F, 103mg Chol.

Sandwiches & Burgers: Burgers, Big Mac, no Bun (5oz): 18gm P, 6gm C, 26gm F, 75mg Chol.

There is NO DATA out there on just simply the big mac meat.  Everything I have found points to about 2oz PER pattie of meat.  So, looking at 5oz of cooked chicken, you come up with the following:

5oz Chicken Breast (cooked)  44gm P, 0gm C, 5.1gm F, 121mg Chol.

While this looks promising for simply the CHOLESTEROL standpoint....look at the comparison of fat.  The Big Mac meat has 5 TIMES the fat.  The chicken breast has TWICE the protein.  If were to simply look at the protein as equals (around 20gm per serving) that would account for only 2.5oz of cooked chicken.  Thus bringing our cholesterol down LOWER than the big mac patties.

The total values for a big mac SANDWICH are:

Sandwiches & Burgers: Burgers, Big Mac (7.5oz) 25gm P, 45gm C, 29gm F, 75mg Chol.  (total calories = 540)

This shows that there is NO cholesterol in the bread/bun of the Big Mac.

So, were I to take a SIMILAR amount of chicken (equalling out the protein) and then using some standard wheat bread, I would have this:

2.5oz Chicken Breast (cooked)  22gm P, 0gm C, 2.5gm F, 60mg Chol.  (total calories = 117)
2 Slices General Wheat Bread  4.6gm P, 23.6gm C, 2.1gm F, 0mg Chol.  (total calories = 130)

Giving me:
247 calories - 50% LESS than a Big Mac.
4.6gms of fat - 85% LESS than a Big Mac
60gms of cholesterol - 20% LESS than a Big Mac.

The thing is....the chicken sandwich (with half of the calories) has almost as much fiber as the Big Mac.

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« Reply #181 on: March 13, 2007, 08:25:09 PM »
I would like to look like Mark Wahlberg in his prime.

Discuss.

serious?  :-\

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Re: Started the Adonis principles today - hardest workout ever!!
« Reply #182 on: March 13, 2007, 08:30:19 PM »
Adam....I never got a comment from you on this:

You are cherry picking.
We aren`t comparing meats, we are comparing a Big Mac with your chicken breast in terms of Cholesterol.
A Big Mac Sandwhich has lower Cholesterol than your Chicken Breast of 5 oz.

With a limited calorie range, Cholesterol ceases to be a problem as it is not feasible unless you GO OUT OF YOUR WAY to achieve higher cholesterol.

Cholesterol is largely genetic anyway.

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Re: Started the Adonis principles today - hardest workout ever!!
« Reply #183 on: March 13, 2007, 08:38:54 PM »
I would like to look like Mark Wahlberg in his prime.

Discuss.

You pretty much do as far as muscle-size, IMO. I don't think you can reflect his exact structure/shape, but who knows.

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« Reply #184 on: March 13, 2007, 08:40:07 PM »
Would be nice.  Is the general consensus that he is too small?  Say hi to the GMV guys for me!
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I was hanging out with them at the pro show.. I am home now.

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Re: Started the Adonis principles today - hardest workout ever!!
« Reply #185 on: March 13, 2007, 08:49:46 PM »
You are cherry picking.
We aren`t comparing meats, we are comparing a Big Mac with your chicken breast in terms of Cholesterol.
A Big Mac Sandwhich has lower Cholesterol than your Chicken Breast of 5 oz.

With a limited calorie range, Cholesterol ceases to be a problem as it is not feasible unless you GO OUT OF YOUR WAY to achieve higher cholesterol.

Cholesterol is largely genetic anyway.

Exept for the genetic, your wrong, Adam, do you know what cholesterol is?

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Re: Started the Adonis principles today - hardest workout ever!!
« Reply #186 on: March 13, 2007, 09:01:00 PM »
You are cherry picking.
We aren`t comparing meats, we are comparing a Big Mac with your chicken breast in terms of Cholesterol.
A Big Mac Sandwhich has lower Cholesterol than your Chicken Breast of 5 oz.

With a limited calorie range, Cholesterol ceases to be a problem as it is not feasible unless you GO OUT OF YOUR WAY to achieve higher cholesterol.

Cholesterol is largely genetic anyway.

So, if its not an issue why do you persist in saying it?  Also, I compared the same protein amount in the big mac to the chicken breast sandwich.  You cant compare the sandwich to the chicken breast as you arent comparing like things.  If I only need a certain amount of protein (the RDA as you say), then with eating cleaner I can get more food in.  Like have my sandwich, 10oz strawberry (to equal the 46gm carbs), and even top those strawberrys with some whipped cream (for added fat) and even possibly use some cheese on my sandwich.  For me, I see a greater volume of food. I know I would feel a lot better after the chicken meal then the big mac meal.  Whenever I have had the McD's meal...my mouth feels like its coated in grease for the next few hours.

If you want to talk about cholesterol levels in food, you should read a little of this...


HIGH CHOLESTEROL FOODS:
Healthy, not harmful!


In traditional societies, high cholesterol foods were regarded as healthy foods.

Our ancestors did not know about cholesterol but they knew that eggs, organ meat (including the brain), seafood, shellfish… were all highly nourishing for the body.

In the natural world, the same foods are valued by animals like lions and tigers. When they kill their prey, the first things they eat are the liver and the brain, both of which contain very high levels of cholesterol.

Yet today, all these foods are regarded as “bad” . Today, practically all doctors and lay persons accept, without questioning, that high choleterol foods “cause” heart disease.

Were our ancestors, as well as animals in the wild, mistaken about the value of high cholesterol foods? Or are we mistaken about their so-called harm?

One person who dared to question the idea that saturated fats and high cholesterol foods are harmful to health is Dr Uffe Ravnskov, MD, PhD., author of The Cholesterol Myths as well as over 50 scientific papers – published in mainstream, peer-reviewed journals – debunking the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease.
Among other things, Dr Uffe Ravnskov tells us that:

    * People with high cholesterol levels live longer! Old people with high blood cholesterol are less likely to die from heart attack, cancer and other diseases, compared with those whose blood cholesterol levels are lower.

    * Cholesterol is not a deadly poison, but a substance vital to the cells of all mammals.

    * There are no such things as good or bad cholesterol. A high cholesterol is not dangerous by itself, but may reflect an unhealthy condition, or it may be totally innocent.

    * Many scientific studies have shown that people with low blood cholesterol are just as likely to develop atherosclerosis (plaque build up in the arteries) as people whose cholesterol level is high.

    * Your body produces three to four times more cholesterol than you eat. The production of cholesterol increases when you eat little cholesterol and decreases when you eat much. In other words, the more high cholesterol foods you eat, the less cholesterol your body produces.

    * More than 20 scientific studies have shown that people who suffered a heart attack had not eaten more fat of any kind than other people – they had not eaten plenty of saturated fats and high cholesterol foods.

Of course, it is not just Dr Uffe Ravnskov saying all this and more. What he tells us about saturated fats and high cholesterol foods comes mainly from studying the reports of other scientists. He further tells us that…

The reason why laymen, doctors and most scientists have been misled is because opposing and disagreeing results are systematically ignored or misquoted in the scientific press.

High cholesterol foods nourish the cells

To appreciate why high cholesterol foods are not harmful, we need to understand what cholesterol is, and what role it plays in human health.

Cholesterol is a waxy, fat-like substance. Yet it is not a fat. In chemistry, cholesterol is classified as a type of alcohol. But this is confusing for the layman because it does not behave like an alcohol.

The special quality of cholesterol is that it is impossible to dissolve in water. They make our cell walls waterproof. And this allows us – and all other animals – to regulate the internal environment of our cells undisturbed by changes in their surroundings.

Thus, our cells need cholesterol in order to function properly.

It is true that the body – more specifically the liver – can produce cholesterol for the body's needs. But taking cholesterol from high cholesterol foods can be helpful.
When you do not take enough high cholesterol foods – for example, if you take mainly vegetable oils rather than animal fat containing cholesterol – the cholesterol in your blood will the transferred to your cells.

As a result, your blood cholesterol level drops.

Most people, including most doctors and scientists, consider this to be a good sign. It is actually an unhealthy sign. It indicates that your cells have become weak from lack of cholesterol.

For this reason, it is not a good idea to switch from animal fats to polyunsaturated vegetable oils. It weakens your cells. There is scientific evidence that high intake of polyunsaturated oils increases the risks of cancer!

High cholesterol foods for the brain

The fact that cells are waterproof is especially critical for the normal functioning of nerves and nerve cells. Thus, the highest concentration of cholesterol in the body is found in the brain and other parts of the nervous system.

High cholesterol foods therefore nourish the brain. People with very low cholesterol (below 150 mg/dl) are more prone to depression and nervous system disorders. Rather than worry about high cholesterol foods, you need to worry more if your blood cholesterol level is too low.

It is worth noting that Nathan Pritikin, one of the strongest advocates of a low-fat, no-cholesterol diet during the 1980s, developed cancer and committed suicide. He died in the prime of his life!

Other followers of the low-fat diet had a host of other problems, including low energy, difficulty in concentration, depression, weight gain and mineral deficiencies.

High cholesterol foods for babies

And because cholesterol is needed for the brain, babies and children need high cholesterol foods for brain development.

One of the richest high cholesterol foods is, in fact, human breast milk.

And one of the worst foods to give to babies is soy infant formula, because it contains zero cholesterol.

High cholesterol foods and heart disease

What about heart disease? Doesn't cholesterol “cause” heart disease?

Here, we need to understand the difference between “cause” and “association”. Many scientific studies have found an association between cholesterol and heart disease.

But this does not meant that high cholesterol foods cause heart disease – because there are people who eat plenty of high cholesterol foods and do not develop heart disease. And there are also people who develop heart disease even though they avoid high cholesterol foods.

Another way of looking at the association between cholesterol and heart disease is this:
Other factors cause both high cholesterol and heart disease.

For example, being overweight causes cholesterol levels to rise. And being overweight causes heart disease.

Likewise, stress, smoking and other lifestyle / environmental factors cause high cholesterol. And they also cause heart disease.

When you understand high cholesterol from this perspective, you will realise that high cholesterol may indicate the presence of heart disease. But it is not the cause. The causes are other factors in the diet, lifestyle and environment.

High cholesterol foods vs high cholesterol

It is also important to understand that eating high cholesterol foods will not automatically lead to high cholesterol levels in the blood. Nor will it automatically lead to heart disease.

The Masai is an African tribe whose members eats only meat, blood and milk. Their diet has plenty of saturated fats as well as high cholesterol foods. Yet they have one of the world's lowest levels of blood cholesterol.

George Mann, one of the scientists who studied the Masai, described the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disesase as “the greatest scam in the history of medicine."

In India, North Indians, eat more meat and used mainly ghee (clarified butter) for cooking, compared with South Indians who were mainly vegetarian.

The North Indian diet had 17 times more saturated fat than the South Indian diet. Plus, of course, the North Indians ate plenty of high cholesterol foods.

Yet a 1968 study found that North Indians had seven times less heart disease than Indians in the South.

This was because, by the late 60s, South Indians had started the switch from coconut oil, which contains about 90 percent saturated fats, to margarine and other polyunsaturated vegetable oils.

More recent studies show that North Indians are finally begin to catch up with the South in heart disease rates – because North Indians have started to use less ghee and more margarine and vegetable oils.

High cholesterol foods – large scale studies

One of the biggest studies to establish saturated fats as the causes of coronary heart disease was the 1968 International Atherosclerosis Project, in which over 22,000 corpses in 14 nations were cut open and examined for plaques in the arteries.

The study found roughly the same degree of plaque in all parts of the world – among people who ate a lot of meat and high cholesterol foods, as well as those who ate little or no meat; among people with high rates of heart disease as well as those with little or no heart disease.
In a long term British study involving several thousand men, half of them were asked to reduce saturated fat and cholesterol, stop smoking and increase the amounts of unsaturated oils such as margarine and vegetable oils. The rest continued to eat their usual amounts of saturated fats and cholesterol, and also continued to smoke.

The study results, reported in The Lancet in 1968, were startling: After one year, those following the ‘healthy’ diet and lifetyle had 100 percent more deaths than those on the supposedly unhealthy diet and lifestyle.

The Framingham Heart Study, started in 1948 and still on-going, is one of the biggest research projects on heart health. In 1992, study leader Dr William Castelli wrote in Archives of Internal Medicine:
“In Frammingham, Massachusetts… the people who ate the most cholesterol, ate the most saturated fat, ate the most calories, weighed the least and were the most physically active.”

Whats interesting is that some of the things in the article actually go along with Adams theories, and some do not.  Soooo, there-in lies the question of who is right?

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Re: Started the Adonis principles today - hardest workout ever!!
« Reply #187 on: March 13, 2007, 09:02:24 PM »
So, if its not an issue why do you persist in saying it?  Also, I compared the same protein amount in the big mac to the chicken breast sandwich.  If I only need a certain amount of protein (the RDA as you say), then with eating cleaner I can get more food in.  Like have my sandwich, 10oz strawberry (to equal the 46gm carbs), and even top those strawberrys with some whipped cream (for added fat) and even possibly use some cheese on my sandwich.  For me, I see a greater volume of food. I know I would feel a lot better after the chicken meal then the big mac meal.  Whenever I have had the McD's meal...my mouth feels like its coated in grease for the next few hours.

He can't and won't admit when he's wrong!

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Re: Started the Adonis principles today - hardest workout ever!!
« Reply #188 on: March 13, 2007, 09:33:16 PM »
I would like to look like Mark Wahlberg in his prime.

Discuss.

then you dont need hormones,,get your weight down to 155-165lb and you will look like him physiqe wize,,work on your midsection so you can have abdominals,,

if you want to be a bigger version of him,,as in 200+lb with that quality and his 8% you will need hormones
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Re: Started the Adonis principles today - hardest workout ever!!
« Reply #189 on: March 13, 2007, 09:37:48 PM »
So, if its not an issue why do you persist in saying it?  Also, I compared the same protein amount in the big mac to the chicken breast sandwich.  You cant compare the sandwich to the chicken breast as you arent comparing like things.  If I only need a certain amount of protein (the RDA as you say), then with eating cleaner I can get more food in.  Like have my sandwich, 10oz strawberry (to equal the 46gm carbs), and even top those strawberrys with some whipped cream (for added fat) and even possibly use some cheese on my sandwich.  For me, I see a greater volume of food. I know I would feel a lot better after the chicken meal then the big mac meal.  Whenever I have had the McD's meal...my mouth feels like its coated in grease for the next few hours.

If you want to talk about cholesterol levels in food, you should read a little of this...


HIGH CHOLESTEROL FOODS:
Healthy, not harmful!


In traditional societies, high cholesterol foods were regarded as healthy foods.

Our ancestors did not know about cholesterol but they knew that eggs, organ meat (including the brain), seafood, shellfish… were all highly nourishing for the body.

In the natural world, the same foods are valued by animals like lions and tigers. When they kill their prey, the first things they eat are the liver and the brain, both of which contain very high levels of cholesterol.

Yet today, all these foods are regarded as “bad” . Today, practically all doctors and lay persons accept, without questioning, that high choleterol foods “cause” heart disease.

Were our ancestors, as well as animals in the wild, mistaken about the value of high cholesterol foods? Or are we mistaken about their so-called harm?

One person who dared to question the idea that saturated fats and high cholesterol foods are harmful to health is Dr Uffe Ravnskov, MD, PhD., author of The Cholesterol Myths as well as over 50 scientific papers – published in mainstream, peer-reviewed journals – debunking the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease.
Among other things, Dr Uffe Ravnskov tells us that:

    * People with high cholesterol levels live longer! Old people with high blood cholesterol are less likely to die from heart attack, cancer and other diseases, compared with those whose blood cholesterol levels are lower.

    * Cholesterol is not a deadly poison, but a substance vital to the cells of all mammals.

    * There are no such things as good or bad cholesterol. A high cholesterol is not dangerous by itself, but may reflect an unhealthy condition, or it may be totally innocent.

    * Many scientific studies have shown that people with low blood cholesterol are just as likely to develop atherosclerosis (plaque build up in the arteries) as people whose cholesterol level is high.

    * Your body produces three to four times more cholesterol than you eat. The production of cholesterol increases when you eat little cholesterol and decreases when you eat much. In other words, the more high cholesterol foods you eat, the less cholesterol your body produces.

    * More than 20 scientific studies have shown that people who suffered a heart attack had not eaten more fat of any kind than other people – they had not eaten plenty of saturated fats and high cholesterol foods.

Of course, it is not just Dr Uffe Ravnskov saying all this and more. What he tells us about saturated fats and high cholesterol foods comes mainly from studying the reports of other scientists. He further tells us that…

The reason why laymen, doctors and most scientists have been misled is because opposing and disagreeing results are systematically ignored or misquoted in the scientific press.

High cholesterol foods nourish the cells

To appreciate why high cholesterol foods are not harmful, we need to understand what cholesterol is, and what role it plays in human health.

Cholesterol is a waxy, fat-like substance. Yet it is not a fat. In chemistry, cholesterol is classified as a type of alcohol. But this is confusing for the layman because it does not behave like an alcohol.

The special quality of cholesterol is that it is impossible to dissolve in water. They make our cell walls waterproof. And this allows us – and all other animals – to regulate the internal environment of our cells undisturbed by changes in their surroundings.

Thus, our cells need cholesterol in order to function properly.

It is true that the body – more specifically the liver – can produce cholesterol for the body's needs. But taking cholesterol from high cholesterol foods can be helpful.
When you do not take enough high cholesterol foods – for example, if you take mainly vegetable oils rather than animal fat containing cholesterol – the cholesterol in your blood will the transferred to your cells.

As a result, your blood cholesterol level drops.

Most people, including most doctors and scientists, consider this to be a good sign. It is actually an unhealthy sign. It indicates that your cells have become weak from lack of cholesterol.

For this reason, it is not a good idea to switch from animal fats to polyunsaturated vegetable oils. It weakens your cells. There is scientific evidence that high intake of polyunsaturated oils increases the risks of cancer!

High cholesterol foods for the brain

The fact that cells are waterproof is especially critical for the normal functioning of nerves and nerve cells. Thus, the highest concentration of cholesterol in the body is found in the brain and other parts of the nervous system.

High cholesterol foods therefore nourish the brain. People with very low cholesterol (below 150 mg/dl) are more prone to depression and nervous system disorders. Rather than worry about high cholesterol foods, you need to worry more if your blood cholesterol level is too low.

It is worth noting that Nathan Pritikin, one of the strongest advocates of a low-fat, no-cholesterol diet during the 1980s, developed cancer and committed suicide. He died in the prime of his life!

Other followers of the low-fat diet had a host of other problems, including low energy, difficulty in concentration, depression, weight gain and mineral deficiencies.

High cholesterol foods for babies

And because cholesterol is needed for the brain, babies and children need high cholesterol foods for brain development.

One of the richest high cholesterol foods is, in fact, human breast milk.

And one of the worst foods to give to babies is soy infant formula, because it contains zero cholesterol.

High cholesterol foods and heart disease

What about heart disease? Doesn't cholesterol “cause” heart disease?

Here, we need to understand the difference between “cause” and “association”. Many scientific studies have found an association between cholesterol and heart disease.

But this does not meant that high cholesterol foods cause heart disease – because there are people who eat plenty of high cholesterol foods and do not develop heart disease. And there are also people who develop heart disease even though they avoid high cholesterol foods.

Another way of looking at the association between cholesterol and heart disease is this:
Other factors cause both high cholesterol and heart disease.

For example, being overweight causes cholesterol levels to rise. And being overweight causes heart disease.

Likewise, stress, smoking and other lifestyle / environmental factors cause high cholesterol. And they also cause heart disease.

When you understand high cholesterol from this perspective, you will realise that high cholesterol may indicate the presence of heart disease. But it is not the cause. The causes are other factors in the diet, lifestyle and environment.

High cholesterol foods vs high cholesterol

It is also important to understand that eating high cholesterol foods will not automatically lead to high cholesterol levels in the blood. Nor will it automatically lead to heart disease.

The Masai is an African tribe whose members eats only meat, blood and milk. Their diet has plenty of saturated fats as well as high cholesterol foods. Yet they have one of the world's lowest levels of blood cholesterol.

George Mann, one of the scientists who studied the Masai, described the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disesase as “the greatest scam in the history of medicine."

In India, North Indians, eat more meat and used mainly ghee (clarified butter) for cooking, compared with South Indians who were mainly vegetarian.

The North Indian diet had 17 times more saturated fat than the South Indian diet. Plus, of course, the North Indians ate plenty of high cholesterol foods.

Yet a 1968 study found that North Indians had seven times less heart disease than Indians in the South.

This was because, by the late 60s, South Indians had started the switch from coconut oil, which contains about 90 percent saturated fats, to margarine and other polyunsaturated vegetable oils.

More recent studies show that North Indians are finally begin to catch up with the South in heart disease rates – because North Indians have started to use less ghee and more margarine and vegetable oils.

High cholesterol foods – large scale studies

One of the biggest studies to establish saturated fats as the causes of coronary heart disease was the 1968 International Atherosclerosis Project, in which over 22,000 corpses in 14 nations were cut open and examined for plaques in the arteries.

The study found roughly the same degree of plaque in all parts of the world – among people who ate a lot of meat and high cholesterol foods, as well as those who ate little or no meat; among people with high rates of heart disease as well as those with little or no heart disease.
In a long term British study involving several thousand men, half of them were asked to reduce saturated fat and cholesterol, stop smoking and increase the amounts of unsaturated oils such as margarine and vegetable oils. The rest continued to eat their usual amounts of saturated fats and cholesterol, and also continued to smoke.

The study results, reported in The Lancet in 1968, were startling: After one year, those following the ‘healthy’ diet and lifetyle had 100 percent more deaths than those on the supposedly unhealthy diet and lifestyle.

The Framingham Heart Study, started in 1948 and still on-going, is one of the biggest research projects on heart health. In 1992, study leader Dr William Castelli wrote in Archives of Internal Medicine:
“In Frammingham, Massachusetts… the people who ate the most cholesterol, ate the most saturated fat, ate the most calories, weighed the least and were the most physically active.”

Whats interesting is that some of the things in the article actually go along with Adams theories, and some do not.  Soooo, there-in lies the question of who is right?

Again, your feeling is your opinion.

The fact is, one Big Mac is less cholesterol than a 5 oz Chicken Breast.

Why do I not care about protein content?

Simple.  I get adequate enough everyday without even trying.

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Re: Started the Adonis principles today - hardest workout ever!!
« Reply #190 on: March 13, 2007, 09:41:40 PM »
Again, your feeling is your opinion.

The fact is, one Big Mac is less cholesterol than a 5 oz Chicken Breast.

Why do I not care about protein content?

Simple.  I get adequate enough everyday without even trying.

Again, you haven't a clue on how fats work!

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« Reply #191 on: March 13, 2007, 09:42:52 PM »
And how much of that size (200, 8%) can I keep when I stay clean?  What kind of maintenance doses am I looking at?  My concerns with gear are the acceleration of aging, and the ability to keep gains once the cessation of hormones occurs.  I don't see a reason to juice if I have to keep doing so indefinitely, or if I am going to be 25 and look like I'm pushing 40 (most up and coming amateurs  ;D).

you will keep 99% of the gains you make on hormones,,its a big myth about gains being lost,,,if its muscle it is muscle,,,you get softer and less fit if you dont train,,,you lose muscle mass if you dont train for couple weeks,,,its starts on the 5th day for a true natural but im not gonna get into it,,

99% of the gains made on hormones are kept and are real muscle mass,,ofcourse when you blow up you will lose a lot of water post cycle but the real muscle gains wont go no where,,,unless you stop training and dont keep consistancy of training,,

the problem with hormones is for the bigger guys that carry 250+ lb we have harder time keeping it when off because our bones are not designed to carry so much muscle on it,,when you aim at 200lb you wont lose anything as long as you keep yourself in check
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« Reply #192 on: March 13, 2007, 09:43:09 PM »
Funny.

I don`t feel my mouth coated in anything when I eat Mcdonalds.

Mcdonalds Big Mac:

1 Meat-No preservatives.  Salted and Peppered
2. Thousand Island Dressing
3. Onions
4. Iceberg Lettuce
5. Merita Buns
6. Kraft Cheese

These are the Brands Mcdonalds uses.  You can get any of these ingredients at the grocery store, including the SAME meat.  Mcdonalds is the WORLDS leading beef buyer.  Their meat is a little better inspected than what you buy in the supermarket though.  Held to higher standards.
I don`t feel like that after eating Any burger.

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Re: Started the Adonis principles today - hardest workout ever!!
« Reply #193 on: March 13, 2007, 09:43:36 PM »
Again, your feeling is your opinion.

The fact is, one Big Mac is less cholesterol than a 5 oz Chicken Breast.

Why do I not care about protein content?

Simple.  I get adequate enough everyday without even trying.

But thats my point Adam...why are you trying to compare the two things?? 

Your Big Mac vs. a 6" Quizno's Steakhouse Signature Sub....the Quiznos sandwich has only 62mgs of cholesterol.

The 5oz chicken breast is GOING to have more cholesterol.  But is it REALLY going to affect you???  I was comparing LIKE protein content.  Then I went ahead and created the sample meal that had LESS cholesterol and was equal in carbs and protein.

So, when you bring up the comparison of the Big Mac to the Chicken breast....you are not comparing like protein content....not comparing like calories......not comparing like carb content either.  So, the comparison really cant be considered all that great.

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Re: Started the Adonis principles today - hardest workout ever!!
« Reply #194 on: March 13, 2007, 09:44:35 PM »
Funny.

I don`t feel my mouth coated in anything when I eat Mcdonalds.

Mcdonalds Big Mac:

1 Meat-No preservatives.  Salted and Peppered
2. Thousand Island Dressing
3. Onions
4. Iceberg Lettuce
5. Merita Buns

I don`t feel like that after eating Any burger.

Its in your head.  

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Re: Started the Adonis principles today - hardest workout ever!!
« Reply #195 on: March 13, 2007, 09:45:31 PM »
Funny.

I don`t feel my mouth coated in anything when I eat Mcdonalds.

Mcdonalds Big Mac:

1 Meat-No preservatives.  Salted and Peppered
2. Thousand Island Dressing
3. Onions
4. Iceberg Lettuce
5. Merita Buns

I don`t feel like that after eating Any burger.

Its in your head. 

No Adam its NOT in my head.  I have been having these sandwiches since before you were born.  I have ALWAYS had that sensation/feeling/"taste" in my mouth.  This does NOT mean I dont eat them from time to time.  I just know what happens when I do. 

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Re: Started the Adonis principles today - hardest workout ever!!
« Reply #196 on: March 13, 2007, 09:47:17 PM »
But thats my point Adam...why are you trying to compare the two things?? 

Your Big Mac vs. a 6" Quizno's Steakhouse Signature Sub....the Quiznos sandwich has only 62mgs of cholesterol.

The 5oz chicken breast is GOING to have more cholesterol.  But is it REALLY going to affect you???  I was comparing LIKE protein content.  Then I went ahead and created the sample meal that had LESS cholesterol and was equal in carbs and protein.

So, when you bring up the comparison of the Big Mac to the Chicken breast....you are not comparing like protein content....not comparing like calories......not comparing like carb content either.  So, the comparison really cant be considered all that great.

My point is, I cannot stand when people say that Big Macs are high in Cholesterol.  It is simply not true.

I was only comparing Cholesterol.  The myth keeps being spread that Big Macs are high in Cholesterol when they are not.

Again.  Caloric amount is the most important thing. You adequately meet nutrition needs every single day without even trying.

Due to the level of obesity, most overcompensate.


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Re: Started the Adonis principles today - hardest workout ever!!
« Reply #197 on: March 13, 2007, 09:47:43 PM »
Like I said..........he's clueless...........



Cholesterol is rigid like the saturated fatty acid. Cholesterol is also incorporated into the membrane. If there is an excess of saturated fat ingested this will displace the cholesterol from the membranes thus raising the cholesterol in the blood. A diet rich in essential fatty acids mean that more cholesterol can be incorporated into the membranes because the essential fatty acids are fluid and balance the more rigid cholesterol.

Lipoproteins -Carrier for fats, cholesterol and fat-soluble vitamins. Consist of a single layer phospholipid membrane withcarrier proteins and lipids enclosed. (VLDL, LDL, HDL Lp(a))

Cholesterol can be synthesized from fatty acid, sugar or proteins

Melts at 300F

A building material for , estrogen, progesterone , testosterone, stress hormones, Vit. D, bile acids.

Saturated and monounsaturated fatty acid are the main sources of the acetate fragments for cholesterol production. (Our body conserves essential fatty acids for non-fuel functions.)  An excess of  refined carbohydrate produce an excess of acetate fragment which pushes the cholesterol factories into more production.

A 150 pound person has about 1/3 pound of cholesterol

Cholesterol once made is not broken down but is secreted  into the bile. 94% is reabsorbed. It is the oxidized cholesterol that damages the arteries.

Only oxidized LDL cholesterol damages the arteries.

Apo(a) is a repair protein carried by Lp(a) and is risk for atherosclerosis in high levels. Fibrinogin/fibrin level also carry this risk. Increased level of Vit. C keep the levels of Apo(a) and Lp(a) down.

Vit. C,  niacin, zinc, magnesium, chromium, selenium, iodine, fiber and fresh natural unsaturated oils can lower cholesterol.

Raise HDL with garlic, onions, brewer's yeast, ginseng, fish, lecithin, chromium, Vit. C and Vit. E

Lowering CAD is closer correlated with fiber intake than Saturated fat consumption


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Re: Started the Adonis principles today - hardest workout ever!!
« Reply #198 on: March 13, 2007, 09:48:15 PM »
No Adam its NOT in my head.  I have been having these sandwiches since before you were born.  I have ALWAYS had that sensation/feeling/"taste" in my mouth.  This does NOT mean I dont eat them from time to time.  I just know what happens when I do. 
Thats funny,

It has to BE in YOUR head,

I don`t get the same sensation or feeling.  Jezebelle just said she doesn`t either.

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Re: Started the Adonis principles today - hardest workout ever!!
« Reply #199 on: March 13, 2007, 09:48:39 PM »
Sheep you all are...brainwashed by people only slightly less dumb than you are.
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