DISGUSTED!!! Whats your solution ( or anyone else can answer)

[davidpaul]

PM, Adonis,



you need the priniciples ni**a.

[SteelePegasus]

Clen.

 Two days ON at 3 tabs a day which will be 60mcg daily and Two days OFF. On your OFF days substitue clen with ECA twice a day.

 Run that the entire 6 weeks. You'll lose about 15lbs of bodyfat.

 Trust me.

Block, you are off on this one.

you are better off doing clen for 2 weeks and ECA for two

the 1/2 life of clen is too long to even bother with the 2 1 cycle

also

Here is advice from a person with more knowledge than you gave awhile ago:

"you should be able to go up to 120/day. Increasing to 160 probably wouldn't do any good.  The pros I know don't even go that high.
Follow the 2 week on - 2 week off scenario for 12 weeks.  When you start back up after your off weeks, no need to "ramp" up, just start where you left off.  The ramping up period is only to get your body used to it and check your tolerance."

[SteelePegasus]

if you really mean business you could do a couple lines of coke stacked with heroine, ECA, Clen and a dbol. Wash that down with couple bottles vokda and only eat when close to passing out. And sip water once per day upon waking


try that for 2 weeks and you will be the most shredded guy ever

[G o a t b o y]

hahahaha, exactly, it always makes me laugh when these clowns think the answer is to totally eliminate a macronutrient like carbs but then defeat the whole purpose by eating twice as much protein thus leaving the total caloric intake exactly the same, morons.

The idea is to achieve the lowest total caloric intake possible.

You do this by eliminating everything that isn't necessary to prevent massive amounts of muscle tissue loss or to sustain life.

Are carbs necessary? No.

Are fats necessary? MOstly no, but you do need a small amount of EFA's.

Is protein necessary? Yes, if you don't want to lose a ton of muscle.  But only an idiot would up it to the point of replacing the calories from carbs and fats.  Again, the idea in "crash dieting" (as in a 6-week timeframe) is to reduce your calories as low as possible, but the few calories you do eat should be protein and a small amount of efa's.

Hope this helps, "moron" 

[davidpaul]

The idea is to achieve the lowest total caloric intake possible.

You do this by eliminating everything that isn't necessary to prevent massive amounts of muscle tissue loss or to sustain life.

Are carbs necessary? No.

Are fats necessary? MOstly no, but you do need a small amount of EFA's.

Is protein necessary? Yes, if you don't want to lose a ton of muscle.  But only an idiot would up it to the point of replacing the calories from carbs and fats.  Again, the idea in "crash dieting" (as in a 6-week timeframe) is to reduce your calories as low as possible, but the few calories you do eat should be protein and a small amount of efa's.

Hope this helps, "moron" 

Protein, your body only needs 3 grammes a day,

pm adonis, he will show you the light,

eat what you want,

no cardio.

no weights,

THE ADONIS PRINCIPLES.

[The Squadfather]

The idea is to achieve the lowest total caloric intake possible.

You do this by eliminating everything that isn't necessary to prevent massive amounts of muscle tissue loss or to sustain life.

Are carbs necessary? No.

Are fats necessary? MOstly no, but you do need a small amount of EFA's.

Is protein necessary? Yes, if you don't want to lose a ton of muscle.  But only an idiot would up it to the point of replacing the calories from carbs and fats.  Again, the idea in "crash dieting" (as in a 6-week timeframe) is to reduce your calories as low as possible, but the few calories you do eat should be protein and a small amount of efa's.

Hope this helps, "moron" 

uh oh, looks like i touched a nerve, something tells me that your metabolism is so horrid that you can't lose bodyfat unless you eat 750 calories a day, hahahaha, carbs have vitamins and fiber that protein doesn't you fuccking jackass, your brain and muscles use carbs as fuel, a better option is just to cut the meals that you're currently eating by a third or half but keep the foods the same.

[avesher]

Im debating this with a friend of mine.

Whats the best possible method of going about this.

Heres the scenario :

I have 6 weeks to lose 12 lbs of FAT. I am 5'8 195lbs with 12-13% bodyfat. I have a fast metabolism but have most of my fat around my abdominal region.

My solution was a under low carb approach (under 50 a day) with one carb up meal a week, high protein, and high fat.

His solution is a super caloric restricted diet with low fat and low carbs, but super high protein.

What would ur solution be??

ur aware tht according to TA you are 29% fat and severely obese

[Mr. Intenseone]

PM, Adonis,



you need the priniciples ni**a.

Yes, a package of oreos and bag of donuts should do the trick..LOL!!

[SteelePegasus]

so this fucker enjoyed life and food enough to accumulate a good amount of belly fat. And now you expect him to give up carbs for 6 weeks?

this fucker won't last 4 hours without some carbs. Without carbs he would constantly be hungry and clearly he lacks self control..need I say more?

dude, run to subway get a 6" tuna fish sandwich, also get some cookies. Just make sure that you are in a caloric defecit.

dumb fuckers

[G o a t b o y]

uh oh, looks like i touched a nerve, something tells me that your metabolism is so horrid that you can't lose bodyfat unless you eat 750 calories a day, hahahaha, carbs have vitamins and fiber that protein doesn't you fuccking jackass, your brain and muscles use carbs as fuel, a better option is just to cut the meals that you're currently eating by a third or half but keep the foods the same.

Uh, dumbass, I don't cut that way... I don't try to lose 12 pounds in six weeks, either.  I was responding to the original poster's question, i.e. a "crash" diet to make a deadline. My typical cutting diet goes between 2700-2900 calories and carbs never drop below 150, higher on lifting days.


Hope this helps, "squadfather", haha, oh brother! 

[Devon97]

6 WEEKS IS MORE than enough to lose 12 lbs of fat.

You just need to create enough deficit.

Simple as can be.

What if the deficit is too great?

[The Enigma]

What if the deficit is too great?

You get sick and die.

[Devon97]

The idea is to achieve the lowest total caloric intake possible.

You do this by eliminating everything that isn't necessary to prevent massive amounts of muscle tissue loss or to sustain life.

Are carbs necessary? No.

Are fats necessary? MOstly no, but you do need a small amount of EFA's.

Is protein necessary? Yes, if you don't want to lose a ton of muscle.  But only an idiot would up it to the point of replacing the calories from carbs and fats.  Again, the idea in "crash dieting" (as in a 6-week timeframe) is to reduce your calories as low as possible, but the few calories you do eat should be protein and a small amount of efa's.

Hope this helps, "moron" 

Yea but carbs are "protein sparing"

[Hedgehog]

In this particualr situation, I agree with your friend.  Read Lyle McDonald's "Rapid Fat Loss Handbook" for the scientific rationale behind this:

http://www.amazon.com/Rapid-Fat-Loss-Handbook-Scientific/dp/0967145643/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-5094630-4878319?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173900583&sr=8-1

The PSMF protocol is pretty simple from what I recall, I think it's something like eating 5-6 GRAMS of EFA's and approx 160 grams of protein (if you weigh 200 lbs). Nothing else, maybe very little of broccoli or similar vegetables.

Then of course, there is the Ultimate Diet 2.0. Very good cyklo-keto diet if you ask me, McDonald bettered the Duchaine Body Opus diet.

-Hedge

[G o a t b o y]

Yea but carbs are "protein sparing"

So are ketones, which the body will not produce in the presence of carbs.

[Blockhead]

Block, you are off on this one.

you are better off doing clen for 2 weeks and ECA for two

the 1/2 life of clen is too long to even bother with the 2 1 cycle

also

Here is advice from a person with more knowledge than you gave awhile ago:

"you should be able to go up to 120/day. Increasing to 160 probably wouldn't do any good.  The pros I know don't even go that high.
Follow the 2 week on - 2 week off scenario for 12 weeks.  When you start back up after your off weeks, no need to "ramp" up, just start where you left off.  The ramping up period is only to get your body used to it and check your tolerance."

DIVISION?

 Thanks, Steele...straight up. Thanks man...I read about it all the time and the debate is out there.

 It also seems the guys(or girls) who use clen for 2 weeks straight thend to use 'ketofin' or even benedryl to keep the receptors clean and sort of 'immune' to the effects of clen. Interesting.


 Good post.

[natural al]

just curious.. who's provoking who at this point?

why do you ask?  he's pretty much said everything I wrote in that original post, it wasn't even that mean spiritied.

Why are you concerned?

[YoungBlood]

Maybe but there are way to combat that. Perhaps a spoon full of BCAA powder and even a little glutamine in a water bottle to be sipped on during cardio?

 Maybe a serving of PS before hand as well.

 As long as his cardio is moderate and not for any more than 40 minutes or so he should be fine. If he's weight training at a respectively intense way in the evening then he shouldnt lose muscle.

 Perhaps drop down to ECA once daily before morning cardio. I'd still have him use clen like I outlined...watch the carbs and keep them very minimal and up the good fat(s) and he should be good.

Best way I've found, is to eat about a half a can of tuna (full can, depending on size/shape/condition to begin with), and then wait a half an hour. Do your cardio, clen, eca or not, and then wait for 30min again after your cardio is over and eat a decent sized meal, minus any fat and/or carbohydrates (depending on your diet).

[Blockhead]

 I suppose you can do that or even have a little bit of liquid egg whites with maybe 1 scoop if whey as soon as you wake up.

 Then tinker around the kitchen, drop your morning deuce like it's hot...log onto getbig and see who the hell actually POSTS at your 6:30 in the morning and shake your head in astonishment...

 By the time it's 7 your blood stream will be soaked with aminos so by 7:15 pop your ECA and head to the gym.

 7:30 you can start your cardio.

 This makes sense for a natural guy.

[SteelePegasus]

DIVISION?

 Thanks, Steele...straight up. Thanks man...I read about it all the time and the debate is out there.

 It also seems the guys(or girls) who use clen for 2 weeks straight thend to use 'ketofin' or even benedryl to keep the receptors clean and sort of 'immune' to the effects of clen. Interesting.


 Good post.

Block, it wasn't Div

why the need to keep the receptors clean if you are only on for 2 weeks at a time? I hear people complaining about cramps due to the potasium usage. But a banana a day should be enough, just add a banana to your shake.

fucking Stavios makes his girl take clen/t3...T3 is something the experts say you should avoid

oddly enough bodybuiding.com stopped selling vasopro, this fucker might want to stock up or actually get real ephedra for his ECA from the block. The supp board is awesome for this kind of information the fine lady that runs that board should be worshipped.

[natural al]

I suppose you can do that or even have a little bit of liquid egg whites with maybe 1 scoop if whey as soon as you wake up.

 Then tinker around the kitchen, drop your morning deuce like it's hot...log onto getbig and see who the hell actually POSTS at your 6:30 in the morning and shake your head in astonishment...

 By the time it's 7 your blood stream will be soaked with aminos so by 7:15 pop your ECA and head to the gym.

 7:30 you can start your cardio.

 This makes sense for a natural guy.

if I was working with a limited time frame I'd do it exactly like this.  If you've got more time you can do it a little bit different.

[YoungBlood]

I would take the ECA first, that way it gets to your system before anything else, gets you revved up and then eat your food 10-15min later. Then hit the gym/cardio/etc around a half an hour after your food is eaten.

[SteelePegasus]

I would take the ECA first, that way it gets to your system before anything else, gets you revved up and then eat your food 10-15min later. Then hit the gym/cardio/etc around a half an hour after your food is eaten.

why not do cardio on a empty stomach? that is the conventional wisdom

take BCAA/glute/

[ForMotherRussia]

12 weeks is plenty of time to lose even 20lbs of pure fat.

 Try the clen/ECA outline I posted and with cardio in the AM before your first meal for at least 30-40 minutes...watch the carbs and you'll be money.

is 30 minutes enough cardio... i would do about 60 minutes in the morning. u won't loose muscles as long as ur diet is in check...

[dzulboy]

clen is junk