ICE CREAMS and calorie is a calorie and Haha Apenis - all three threads merged.

[Krankenstein]

Not as much as you would think.....I compete at about 188 - 191.  Right now I am pushing about 208 - 210 for my off season.  Hope to compete at 191 - 193 next august.  Can't wait for Sevastina to say I am on something or am an ex user some shit.

[musclehedz]

BMR at 6.5 cal per lb of bodymass says I require about 1450 cal at rest plus 450 per workout. So at about 1700 I'm defficient and should get ripped soon. Calories being calories and proteins, supplements being all a scam, I decided to get my 1700 cals on Cap n' Crunch and Cocopuffs, both will only bring me 4g of protein so I should be fine.

3 weeks later I'm wasting like there's no tomorow, my insulin is all fucked up and glucose to glucagon ratio is off the roof.

Where did I go wrong with my great application of those so called "Principles"?

Breaking out of that madness, I remembered something from biochemistry called PTOR (protein turn over rate). That scientifically proven rule says that my LBM x 1.818 is what I need to prevent from going catabolic. so that's about 310g of protein.


I come to the conclusion that the fucking idiots who think that "calories are calories" are misleading the goodhearted getbiggers.

Discuss 

The adonis principles are retarded and fake. Food with lots of sugar are causing insulin spikes during unwanted times.. this is when you get fat.

[wavelength]

While I dont necessarily agree with what Adam says....guys, you ARE missing something.  A calorie is a calorie.  Just like 1 horsepower = 1 horsepower.  No matter if you have a 4 cylinder engine or a 6 cylinder engine.  

Calorie is a unit of measurement for energy. One calorie is formally defined as the amount of energy required to raise one cubic centimeter of water by one degree centigrade. For the purpose of measuring the amount of energy in food, nutritionists most commonly use kilocalories (equal to 1,000 calories), and label the measurement either as "kcal" or as "Calories" with a capital "C." One kcal is also equivalent to approximately 4.184 kilojoules.

So, the way I see it Adam isnt really saying 1gm or protein = 1gm of carb.....he is just stating that the calorie produced by protein is no different than the calorie of fat or carbohydrate.  At least, thats the way I read it.

Also, when he just says "I can eat ice cream every day and look like this"....note, he doesnt say how much of it, or how many meals will be just that ice cream.  I mean really....the black and white of it is this....if you had just 1TBL of ice cream every day while prepping for a show, you realistically could say that you ate ice cream every day while prepping for the show.  In peoples mind they envision some huge bowl of it.

I do think some of the things he says are said only to get a rise out of people.

Basically, yes. Basic nutritional needs must be met, that's one of the principles. Also a certain protein intake. Beyond that, everything is allowed though.

[MAXX]

Yep...I feel crushed under your power......

good build dude. but you're not natural?

you got some gyno there.

[Deicide]

Basically, yes. Basic nutritional needs must be met, that's one of the principles. Also a certain protein intake. Beyond that, everything is allowed though.

Unfortunately you can never test this unless you actually did this experiment on tons of people, especially the people who don't buy into your system...

[wavelength]

Unfortunately you can never test this unless you actually did this experiment on tons of people, especially the people who don't buy into your system...

True, I always said that I can only speak for myself. Just sharing my experience. I just think people should give it a try before judging.

[Krankenstein]

good build dude. but you're not natural?

you got some gyno there.

Yes...I am VERY natural.  Some people will claim I am 'clean' because I did pro-hormones (AGES ago).  Last one I took was Ulitimate Nutrition's Nor-19 back in 97 or 98.  I also can't use ephedrine due to the banned policy of the INBF/WNBF.

As far as the gyno....I knew that comment was going to be dolled out.  About 30 years ago I had lumps in nipples that was attributed to 'puberty'.  Thats about it.

[wavelength]

At least you're honest, you look great in any case, great structure for BB.

[Disgusted]

Yes...I am VERY natural.  Some people will claim I am 'clean' because I did pro-hormones (AGES ago).  Last one I took was Ulitimate Nutrition's Nor-19 back in 97 or 98.  I also can't use ephedrine due to the banned policy of the INBF/WNBF.

As far as the gyno....I knew that comment was going to be dolled out.  About 30 years ago I had lumps in nipples that was attributed to 'puberty'.  Thats about it.

I had pubescent gyno and had it taken out years ago. Funny thing was when I went to the plastic surgeon he made a comment to me right away that the gyno I had was caused by puberty. His comment took me by surprise as I figured right away he would have thought something else.  He said there is a difference between the two, one was very much like a marble and hard and the other was softer and not as perfectly round. I have seen plenty of both kinds of gyno thru the years.

[MAXX]

Yes...I am VERY natural.  Some people will claim I am 'clean' because I did pro-hormones (AGES ago).  Last one I took was Ulitimate Nutrition's Nor-19 back in 97 or 98.  I also can't use ephedrine due to the banned policy of the INBF/WNBF.

As far as the gyno....I knew that comment was going to be dolled out.  About 30 years ago I had lumps in nipples that was attributed to 'puberty'.  Thats about it.

alright.

so why didnt you join mr getbig for an easy buck

[onlyme]

I have ALWAYS and STILL MANTAIN that a DELUSIONAL is a DELUSIONAL but a MORON is not a MORON UNLESS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ME AND MY FOLLOWERS.  1 calorie of paper clips=1 calorie of carbs=1 calorie of shampoo=1 calorie of fat=1 calorie of diamond and so on AND SO ON.  SO SEE I AM DUMBER THAN YOU SEE

Protein is not a Carbohydrate, Carbohydrates are not a Fat, Fats are not a Protein and so on SO ON.  SO YOU NOW SEE WHY I AM A PENCIL SURROUND BY SKIN

I have said this since day one THAT I HAVE NO LIFE OR FUTURE AND I NEED TO ACT SMART TO MAKE MYSELF FEEL IMPORTANT.

The poor comprehension skills of most members on here is astounding CONSIDERING I HAVE LESS OF A CLUE THAN ALL OF YOU.  Shocked THAT I AM STILL AROUND CONSIDERING HOW STUPID I SOUND AND LOOK.

I fixed it for you ABOVE.  And look at what you have done to this poor kid.  How much did you sell him one of your circus mirrors for.  When is the insanity going to stop

[Krankenstein]

alright.
so why didnt you join mr getbig for an easy buck

Well, a couple of reasons.  I remember all the shit Whateva got for competing in it even though he is a WNBF guy.  So, I decided not to go through all that.  Also, I really needed a break from dieting as I starting prepping for a show in March, then in June I had to take 3 1/2 weeks off because of Lasik surgery, so when I could get back to gym I then focused on the September show.  I havent exactly kept my diet clean (as Jim recommends naturals do after a show) so I would have had to start dieting again for this.  Perhaps next year I will do it.  I am going to get myself back into some reasonable bodyfat percentages (perhaps pick Jims brain a little    ) and get myself ready for next August and September.

[The True Adonis]

Well, a couple of reasons.  I remember all the shit Whateva got for competing in it even though he is a WNBF guy.  So, I decided not to go through all that.  Also, I really needed a break from dieting as I starting prepping for a show in March, then in June I had to take 3 1/2 weeks off because of Lasik surgery, so when I could get back to gym I then focused on the September show.  I havent exactly kept my diet clean (as Jim recommends naturals do after a show) so I would have had to start dieting again for this.  Perhaps next year I will do it.  I am going to get myself back into some reasonable bodyfat percentages (perhaps pick Jims brain a little    ) and get myself ready for next August and September.

You look great in that photo.  How is your new vision?

[Disgusted]

Here's my new diet. It consists of  2090 calories. Boy is this gonna be fun.    Now there is no excuse for anyone on this board not to be ripped.    Of course this is just an example. The possibilities are endless. Cakes and pies cakes and pies. 

McDonald's sandwich: Double Quarter Pounder® with cheese 760

Ben and Jerry's chocolate chunk 2 servings 480 

Large McDonlads french fri 500

Hi-C® Orange Lavaburst (Large) 350

[wavelength]

Here's my new diet. It consists of  2090 calories. Boy is this gonna be fun.    Now there is no excuse for anyone on this board not to be ripped.    Of course this is just an example. The possibilities are endless. Cakes and pies cakes and pies. 

McDonald's sandwich: Double Quarter Pounder® with cheese 760

Ben and Jerry's chocolate chunk 2 servings 480 

Large McDonlads french fri 500

Hi-C® Orange Lavaburst (Large) 350

shit that sounds good

[Mars]

you dont have to eat clean foods anymore these days to get ripped.

[The Showstoppa]

you dont have to eat clean foods anymore these days to get ripped.

Exactly.  McD's foods are all that is necessary.

[The True Adonis]

I just ate a serving of Ben & Jerry`s of Pumpkin Cheesecake Ice Cream for 270 calories and a Snickers Protein Bar.

[wavelength]

I went to the chinese buffet today.

[just_a_pilgrim]

Disgusted could you give us a calorie breakdown of your new diet?  

Or wait, does it even matter?

[The Showstoppa]

I just ate a serving of Ben & Jerry`s of Pumpkin Cheesecake Ice Cream for 270 calories and a Snickers Protein Bar.

TA that's great.  And just look at how many more calories you have left to enjoy today.

[MAXX]

[Monster_Everything]

I just ate a serving of Ben & Jerry`s of Pumpkin Cheesecake Ice Cream for 270 calories and a Snickers Protein Bar.

Try the brownie cheesecake flavor Adam....good with whipped cream (310 calories)

[DK II]

Here's my new diet. It consists of  2090 calories. Boy is this gonna be fun.    Now there is no excuse for anyone on this board not to be ripped.    Of course this is just an example. The possibilities are endless. Cakes and pies cakes and pies. 

McDonald's sandwich: Double Quarter Pounder® with cheese 760

Ben and Jerry's chocolate chunk 2 servings 480 

Large McDonlads french fri 500

Hi-C® Orange Lavaburst (Large) 350

You're gonna be the next Mr Olympia!

[Earl1972]

OK, since this is the second pm that I have gotten since last night and both from members that I regularly converse with I decided to post this, but I have been sworn to secrecy so no names. 

Anyway, it seems our beloved Apenis not only eats clean, but he juices too. He is telling the truth about eating crap till he goes up to a certain weight which is about 10 pounds over what he calls his ideal weight then when he diets back down it's chicken, buffalo, egg whites, oatmeal, rice ect.  He also has been juicing for quite some time from what I was told which I suspected anyway so no big surprise. What a clown. This guy is more than a couple sandwiches shy of a picnic. Going to such great lengths to perpetuate a lie.  Guess the truth has finally bitten you in your scrawny little ass. hahahahahaaaaaaa 

a pm proves nothing

remember everybody had "proof" that mars/sarcasm were the same person, TA was sarcasm etc

i did think leafy went on the juice, he weighed like 145 for a competition one year and then 170 the next

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