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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #300 on: April 29, 2007, 10:39:24 PM »
Absolutely I'll be there... I'm not riled up, honest.

It was just giving Mr. Ray the facts of the matter... Nothing to be riled up about.

Seems that Mr. Ray is more upset that he didn't think of it first.
he thought of it, he just charges for it, Milos is willing and confident enough to give it away :D
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #301 on: April 29, 2007, 10:42:04 PM »
he thought of it, he just charges for it, Milos is willing and confident enough to give it away :D

Says a lot about the man if you ask me.

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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #302 on: April 30, 2007, 05:44:35 AM »
Funny...

As long as Milos is there, I'll still make it.

What you fail to realize is that we aren't showing up to see learn from IFBB pros, we're showing up to learn from people who know much more than the rest of us.

Whether they are "suspended" or not, or even if their IFBB pros, doesn't really matter... at least not to me anyway.

Are you saying that if an IFBB pro shows up they're going to be blackballed for something they're giving their time for FOR FREE?

Is the IFBB really that low?

Does the IFBB tell their athletes how to spend their free time with charitable organizations? (Since they do that for free also)


Would a GM employee go to a Ford training class instructed by a former GM employee?  Think not, Milos will no longer be associated with the IFBB or any other oragnization in a few hours, so tell me how he is going to help you?

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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #303 on: April 30, 2007, 08:48:04 AM »
Would a GM employee go to a Ford training class instructed by a former GM employee?  Think not, Milos will no longer be associated with the IFBB or any other oragnization in a few hours, so tell me how he is going to help you?

My seminar is not about IFBB this time around...it is about bodybuilding...

Suspended or not - seminar is ON...you can bet your life on it.

But, let's talk about suspension for a minute - SO PEOPLE CAN SEE WHAT I AM ALL ABOUT.

I have been traveling extensively in the last decade and one thing did get my attention:
every time I was in Asia I heard some rumors about gentelman by the name of Paul Chua - fixing the scores of competitions on regular bases...

I didn't take these claims seriously - as I know better that in any bodybuilding competition ONLY A WINNER agrees with the judges...
There were many talks about "fixings" of many competitions - but as I competed 110 times in my life (72 IFBB pro shows) and seeing HUNDREDS of others - I can honestly say that I have never witness blunt fixing of any show...(maybe I would not agree sometimes with placing...but I can't say I saw FIXING - ever).

Not until I went to Doha and witnessed the Asian Games.

Now - some of you might have to realize first what is at stake to understand just little better WHY fixing could be of major proportions...

Gold medalists in that competition (Asian games are held every 4 years - just like the Olympics) would receive $250000.oo - YES, you read it correctly QUORTER of the million dollars from respective governments (each country awards their athletes little different - but that is the ball park range..)

Qatar actually offered $150000.oo BONUS...so two of their bodybuilders (gold medalists) received $400000.oo EACH...
UAE (gold medal in question) offered $250000.oo, HOUSE and brand new Mercedes - to their winner...
Singapore (another BEYOND questionable gold medal) - $250000.oo plus undisclosed bonus...etc

So what happens in Asia and Middle East - everyone knows that "highest bidder" gets what they want...as they only need to "close the deal" with "Mr. Fixer" (Paul Chua's nickname used in Asia)...

Now, as much as I didn't want to believe in rumors - I was warned that medals were given MONTH BEFORE the competition...
I had exact order of medals in each category given to me by ...let's just say SOMEONE (at this time).

Sadly, "month before prediction" materialized to the T...
Each and every category ended up exactly as predicted...

Yes, there was many GOOD CALLS...and I did agree with many results...but some are just too insulting to anyone with just little bit of Intelligence...

For example:
If for the next Mr. Olympia I would announce that Micky Mouse is coming straight out of Disneyland to win the Sandow...many would laugh...
But, when Micky beats Jay, Ronnie and the rest of the field with the perfect score...WHAT would you say than?

If Milos complained again - should he be suspended...or better yet - "killed"?

It is exactly what happened in Doha...

#1) I have heard about FIXING categories and weight classes...
Competitors much heavier (or lighter in some instances) would make desired weight - and nobody would know HOW...
Well, I saw HOW with my own eyes.

As I was official Malaysian coach (very proud of my two PHENOMENAL athletes - both deserving much better placing that what they got...) I was ONLY official allowed to come for weigh-inn.
To my surprise - when I came to official weigh-in...I was NOT ALLOWED inside the room...and NOBODY could see the scale, except Paul Chua's right-hand man.

I have confessions of few competitors COMPLAINING about the weigh-in - just to be warned to be disqualified IF they say anything...as it already happened before (I have written confession of a doctor of certain Asian country who told me that - they file complaint once and they were immediately suspended...
They had to write a letter of apology to be accepted back...later on...

So -first competitors are PLACED in categories of Paul Chua's choice...(winner of the 90+kg category was about the same weight as his countryman in 80kg category winning the silver) - just one of the examples...

#2) I have heard about score sheets being printed BEFORE the event (after the task #1 is successfully completed).
Confession of ONE OF THE OFFICIAL JUDGES (in front of some Asian games competitors and another IFBB professional) was that he was "drawing flowers" on his sheet rather than judging!?!?!
As I asked furiously HOW CAN HE DO THAT - he simply stated - everyone knows that our score sheets will end up in garbage and Paul will use advancely prepared scores with their names and signatures on it...
Official scores would be printed the minute class will walk off the stage - in completely different part of the building...And results would be available and announced on the radio also couple of minutes AFTER the class was finished - instantly...

In 65kg category for example there was ONE POINT difference between my competitor and UAE representative (they sure made it look like the "close contest")...
Yet, at the finals top five were called out in numerical order only - winner and runner up separated by competitor who wasn't even in running for top three...
After set of mandatories - competitors were now reversed (left and right side changed their respective positions) - so AGAIN top two (with just point difference) were never placed next to each other.
I instructed Zali (my competitor who is also 3 times World Champion in this class...winning the World Championship just weeks before) to stand NEXT to the guy from UAE who was leading after the prejudging by a single point...
Zali listened and moved right next to him - just to be forced back in his position...as NOBODY wanted him to be directly compared to eventual winner!

Results of the finals were EXACTLY the same as from prejudging - thus Sazali Samad at the age of 39 who absolutely deserved the perfect score and gold medal was denied what he worked so hard for...
Once in the lifetime opportunity to secure his family and put the roof over his children's heads was - taken away...

Sadly, even Minister of Youth and Sports of Malaysia Dato Azalina Dato Othman was in tears - asking me to GO AHEAD and SAY what needs to be said at the official press conference.
Previously,(two days before the contest) she expressed her fear that Paul Chua indeed has "plans" for 65kg category...and she only prays for Justice...

I acted as a coach - as instructed by my superiors (in this instance) and I openly criticised what I saw that day.
I guess - I breached a "code of conduct" of the IFBB...and therefore I am facing suspension...

I'll take the punishment if committee believes I deserve one.

I do want to mention that during the prejudging right after 65kg class I started watching the next category (70 kg) class...
After competitors got introduced I was asked what I think about certain competitor - "Simon Chua" or officially Ling Fung CHUA from Singapore...
As I analyzed his competition and realized that even though he had decent lines - he is OUTCLASSED by many...I made a statement - he'll be very lucky if he makes the top five...

Well, my friends reminded me to look at the list (done month before as "prediction" list of the winners)...
I saw Simon as expected winner of the class!

That is when I came with comment: "well, this is possible ONLY if this contest is being held in Disneyland and Mr. Walt Disney is the judge..."
Well...Simon got the PERFECT SCORE...and I realized I wasn't even close to Anaheim of FANTASYLAND...

#3) There is still ONE more obstacle for the "masterplan" to be completed...and that was a "doping test"...
Well, let's just (for time being) say that - certain competitors who I talked to were not worried at all...(while manifesting clear viseable signs of "doping indicators"...if you know what I mean)...
Sure enough - my guys were immediately called for testing (which they passed in flying colors) but certain others would have something to worry about...well, if it wasn't for Mr. Chua...off course...


So, there you have it.

Now, I suppose to be the IFBB Representative - everywhere I go...
The same day I witnessed what I did - I made URGENT CALL to Mr. Rafael Santonja (IFBB President)...
I reported exactly what I saw.

The rest is about to come to conclusion...



The fact is:

I know that I am in very bad predicament...
Mr. Paul Chua is official with long history in the IFBB and very high position...
I am only one of hundreds of competitors...so chances are - I will be eaten alive by "powers to be"...

- I know that I might lose my Weider contract as well as get suspended by the IFBB...hence - highly affect my livelyhood.

- I have NOTHING to gain and EVERYTHING to lose in this whole ordeal...but...for Shawn, texasbubba and people alike who like to talk about "STRENGTH and HONOR"
there is a simple question of PRIDE, self-respect, courage, integrity and HONOR to do THE RIGHT THING - regardless of the consequences.

- I am fighting for justice for my brothers of Iron in Asia and the Middle East...
- I am fighting to save the integrity of the IFBB...which is highly affected with happenings in Asia for a long time (since the dictatorship of "Mr. Fixer")...
- I am fighting for bodybuilding as a sport.

I am accepting anything committee decides to give me today...but I will not sign a letter of apology (as served to me...in someones else's writting) and I will not back off or be intimidated...

As one of my dear friends (in Weider office) asked me - will you sign it (letter of apology) under the contract threat, IFBB pro-card threat...DEATH THREAT...(Shawn now brings new FIRE THREAT... ::)) or any other threat...I had ONE answer and one answer only...

And you can all guess what that answer is.

I can loose everything by other's people choice...but my honor and pride - only by mine...and that's something NOBODY can take away from me.

Will see what happens in few hours time! ;)


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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #304 on: April 30, 2007, 08:55:24 AM »
How Synthol can ruin Bad Biceps and Triceps by Milos the Mind.

Dont forget the Secret ¨Shake¨. Drug Free :-*

Nice job Machine Gun Milos ::)

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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #305 on: April 30, 2007, 08:57:09 AM »
How Synthol can ruin Bad Biceps and Triceps by Milos the Mind.

Dont forget the Secret ¨Shake¨. Drug Free :-*

Nice job Machine Gun Milos ::)

lol are you trying to say something lil guy?
just push some weight!

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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #306 on: April 30, 2007, 09:13:22 AM »
How Synthol can ruin Bad Biceps and Triceps by Milos the Mind.

Dont forget the Secret ¨Shake¨. Drug Free :-*

Nice job Machine Gun Milos ::)

Yes - synthol ruined my biceps and triceps...
I think I said that about million times.

I agreed with Mr. Peter Mc Gough to publicly humiliate myself by doing the article in Flex in which I exposed my biggest mistake - EVER...
Do I need to repeat myself?
Or this is THE ONLY THING you can think off Shawn - to possibly "get me" ::)?

Contrary to you - I accept and acknowledge my mistakes and downfalls...How about you?

"Secret drug free shake" is something that will revolutionize the sport (not just bodybuilding) in the years to come...
I'll be looking for endorsers soon...and if I need fat-rat endorse I will look no further...I know where to find you ;).

'Machine Gun"?
I kind of like it...
Just be aware of the "machine" if ever alone...in a dark... :-*

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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #307 on: April 30, 2007, 10:27:48 AM »
Bracing for the Cancellations by ANY and ALL IFBB Pro's.................... :'(

Why would any IFBB Pro cancel?  It is a bodybuilding seminar for bodybuilders, so why would an IFBB pro cancel?  Unless they thought that their places would be affected by associating with Milos, but I didn't know physique contests were determined by the people you are friendly with  ::) ::) ::)

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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #308 on: April 30, 2007, 10:29:24 AM »
Would a GM employee go to a Ford training class instructed by a former GM employee?  Think not, Milos will no longer be associated with the IFBB or any other oragnization in a few hours, so tell me how he is going to help you?

The IFBB does not pay its members, it members are independent contractors, so why are you using a GM and Ford analogy?   ::) ::) ::)

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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #309 on: April 30, 2007, 10:37:02 AM »
Garreath - see you at 3PM?

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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #310 on: April 30, 2007, 10:55:41 AM »
Would a GM employee go to a Ford training class instructed by a former GM employee?  Think not, Milos will no longer be associated with the IFBB or any other oragnization in a few hours, so tell me how he is going to help you?

So you're saying that he can no longer help and teach people because he's no longer sanctioned by the IFBB?

Do you realize how silly that sounds?

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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #311 on: April 30, 2007, 12:53:34 PM »
Not 2pm? Ok...3 it is.


...or maybe not. If you get suspended, I dunno if I want to workout with you anymore.


lol

duh.



Not suspended just yet... ;D
It is time for Shawn to start making phone calls and convincing the committee that I should... ;)

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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #312 on: April 30, 2007, 01:18:53 PM »
Shawn needs to be slapped...... Repeatidly. He has more drama than a teenage girl. Grow up bro, live and let live. Alot of fans are looking forward to that seminar.
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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #313 on: April 30, 2007, 01:24:22 PM »
Interesting that Ray would attempt to hijack the thread after hijacking Dickerson's interview on PBW. What's his problem and why doesn't he try helping like this?

Pros being at this thing would be nice but not the main course. The training info, motivation and also meeting some of the other GB crew works. The next day can head over to Venice Beach.

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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #314 on: April 30, 2007, 01:33:31 PM »
Shawn is no Dorian.... never was. Thats way he is on here trying to get his 2 seconds of fame. So somebody will say his name. A.D.D to the max!!!
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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #315 on: April 30, 2007, 01:35:37 PM »
Interesting that Ray would attempt to hijack the thread after hijacking Dickerson's interview on PBW. What's his problem and why doesn't he try helping like this?

Pros being at this thing would be nice but not the main course. The training info, motivation and also meeting some of the other GB crew works. The next day can head over to Venice Beach.

It is MY THREAD >:( >:( >:(, my thread >:( >:( >:(, MY..threeeeeaaadddd :'( :'( :'(

I can't believe Shawn's high-jacked it from me :'( :'( :'( :'(
That is not so nice... :'( :'( :'(

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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #316 on: April 30, 2007, 01:48:15 PM »
Well, so far I have 110 people on the list with 20+ invited guest that are NOT on the list...

LA Times reporter

FITSHOW

Free MONTH supply of the ZMA [compliments of Victor Conte: "All attendees of the Free Bodybuilding Seminar with Milos Sarcev on May 19th, 2007 will also receive a free bottle of ZMA capsules or container of ZMA Nightcap powdered drink from SNAC Nutrition (A full month supply). SNAC's ZMA is the original "Grow As You Sleep" formula that was researched and developed by Victor Conte. Enjoy the gift of Milos' time and expertise."]


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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #317 on: April 30, 2007, 01:50:40 PM »
It is MY THREAD >:( >:( >:(, my thread >:( >:( >:(, MY..threeeeeaaadddd :'( :'( :'(

I can't believe Shawn's high-jacked it from me :'( :'( :'( :'(
That is not so nice... :'( :'( :'(

Well at least he didn't delete it this time  :D

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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #318 on: April 30, 2007, 02:07:44 PM »
Well at least he didn't delete it this time  :D

Well...Ron will spank him silly if he does...After all - 5 times is more than enough...
Did you ever read his confessions about deletion of my seminar threads?

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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #319 on: April 30, 2007, 02:20:19 PM »
Well...Ron will spank him silly if he does...After all - 5 times is more than enough...
Did you ever read his confessions about deletion of my seminar threads?

I did read some stuff Ron posted.  Petty and sad.

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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #320 on: April 30, 2007, 03:02:33 PM »
I did read some stuff Ron posted.  Petty and sad.

I didn't...can you give me a link?

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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #321 on: April 30, 2007, 03:26:26 PM »
I used to be nuetral about Shawn but this BS is pretty sad.  It sounds like high school in here. Milos is a legit guy and routines are awesome.  Trying it out for chest kicked my ass but my chest has never been so sore.  People need to focus on the fact that Milos is doing something for FREE when no other pros are doing camps like that and his routines actually work the muscles and will certainly burn fat as your metabolism gets ramped up.  Whether or not Milos gets suspended, he is probably the most helpful pro on this board except for Lee P who always helps me out and others too.  Consider the source of negative messages and focus on what YOU experience with Milos.
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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #322 on: April 30, 2007, 03:28:42 PM »
OK, we have little less than 3 weeks for the seminar...
Any suggestions I should consider?


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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #323 on: April 30, 2007, 03:30:02 PM »
OK, we have little less than 3 weeks for the seminar...
Any suggestions I should consider?


what are you gonna do Milos? are you going to just have everyone come into the gym and then have a couple of the pros demonstrate the techniques or are you going to have everyone train?

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Re: Milos Sarcev's Seminar: May 19 2007: 11am sharp
« Reply #324 on: April 30, 2007, 04:57:30 PM »
OK, we have little less than 3 weeks for the seminar...
Any suggestions I should consider?

I think you should introduce whatever you are going to talk about and if you are planning to have a lifting session then have pros at various stations running people through the workout.  I assume they all know what to do in each session.
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