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najoe777

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hard lump
« on: April 06, 2007, 12:08:05 PM »
 hard  lump under left nipple after 9 days  of 30mgs d-bol started on 4-27

1-shot 2cc 400mgs on 4-29
2-shot 2cc 400mgs on 5-5 yesterday
woke at 4am out my sleep felt nipple n found hard form of hard tissue behind there n it hurts if i press on it should i stop my cycle right now if i am all ready having trouable
all i have is novla that i was going to run at end of cycle for pct

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Re: hard lump
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2007, 12:09:39 PM »
It's probably gyno. I'd recommend you start taking the Nolva NOW.

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Re: hard lump
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2007, 02:19:02 PM »
why the fuck are you running the pin and not doing nolva at the same time. run them together. wtf?

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Re: hard lump
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2007, 03:24:16 PM »
Myself, I'd hit 20mg nolva 3 x per day for 3-5 days, (60mg day total) then I taper down to 20mg day thru, and even a few weeks after finished cycle. There are big boys out there taking 60-80mgs of Nolva day.

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Re: hard lump
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2007, 03:43:56 PM »
why the fuck are you running the pin and not doing nolva at the same time. run them together. wtf?

Maybe he didn't know he was prone to gyno.

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Re: hard lump
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2007, 05:20:23 PM »
thanks guys thought this was just a light easy cycle lots of other people have run n haven.t had any trouable at all thought i had learned alot reading on this board for about 1 year n a half thought i had leaned a lot but realize i don-t know SHIT!!!!!! thinking of just stopping cycle. even my test is 400mgs not!!!!!500mgs like you guys suggest n it hasn-t even kicked in why i got to be GYNO prone    SUCKS!!!!!     

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Re: hard lump
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2007, 09:57:52 PM »
could be more serious than that

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Re: hard lump
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2007, 05:14:00 AM »
thanks guys thought this was just a light easy cycle lots of other people have run n haven.t had any trouable at all thought i had learned alot reading on this board for about 1 year n a half thought i had leaned a lot but realize i don-t know SHIT!!!!!! thinking of just stopping cycle. even my test is 400mgs not!!!!!500mgs like you guys suggest n it hasn-t even kicked in why i got to be GYNO prone    SUCKS!!!!!     

If you just stop cold now you could end up w/ a even worse hormonal set up to further agravate it.
Nolvadex is what I would personaly do and stop the Dbol, and I would possibly drop to 200mgs wk.
Frankly the Nolva will likely take care of it even if you continue on w/ 400-600.  It does for most. The thing about some gyno is it usualy comes with some real substantial
muscle growth. I bet Nolva will stop it in its tracks, but need to act fast.I'd be in beg borrow steal mode for some Nolva.

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Re: hard lump
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2007, 06:19:40 AM »
thanks you sure are nice n try to help people all the time we need more guys here like you n /white / n the mods are pretty good too

some guys here just eat us newbes alive now i know why there just
looking out for guys like meeee

  what do you guys think start nolva n keep doing shots?????


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Re: hard lump
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2007, 06:24:14 AM »
trap makes a good point about stopping the shots & setting up a hormone roller coaster which could aggrivate it further. I'd continue doing the shots (as you've already started) & start running 20mg of Nolva ED. I would however stop the Dbol.

Also make sure you get more for PCT.

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Re: hard lump
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2007, 07:32:46 AM »
I aint no Dr. If you got concern you need talk to one- do it. But Good luck finding one knows jack about
AAS.  Ive had some gyno naturaly from puberty. Its not relly noticable. But do have some hard under tissue that can be agravated w/ the right conditions. And STOPING COLD  is one of the worst.
Ive been able to run multi Gr. test stacks over the yrs w/ out probs. SOmetimes I can get buy w/ out Nolva for a long while, sometime not.
 I go by feel. For exactly What your describing, Ive done as I said.
It may be to late to make them dissapear completely, but Nolva will almost cretianly stop it . I will for me.
GOod luck and if you need a Doc dont hesitate. What your describing is quite common. Look @ EVERY
IFBB pro. Almos all show some swelling. There is no way to put on that much muscle with out
heavy Test stacks.No way.

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Re: hard lump
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2007, 07:43:26 AM »
Maybe he didn't know he was prone to gyno.
if you are taking aromatizing anything, you would probably be prone.

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Re: hard lump
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2007, 08:19:22 AM »
if you are taking aromatizing anything, you would probably be prone.

True but some people are more prone then others (it just depends on how your body reacts to gear). I've known guys who've taken massive ammounts of Test (& other gear - Abombs, Dbol, etc) & done no PCT & had no gyno problems. I've also seen guys take 10mg of Dbol a day & get gyno.

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Re: hard lump
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2007, 01:05:16 PM »
It can vary w/ your own body chemistry changes. Just because a certain aromatizing compound
@ X dose never did you a problem previously, dont mean it cant. I feel best to allways have some Nolva on hand.  Even stress, lack of sleep, diet changes could tip the balance.

Yes it's possible for some guys to take 2000+ mgs/wk of real test w/out Anti-E's, but better be ready.
I say if startn to itch, its pushin it. Hurt is time for 40mg+/day  action for me.
 
ANti-E's do steal some bloat if your lookin for a max swell.
Nolva @ 40-60 ed has a rapid, distinct hardening effect for some. It's impresseve, esp w/ HGH and allready low BF%.   
All this Ug is a crapshoot as to what it really contains.  Easy to label cheaper tests as something that commands > $z.  Most guys wont tell the difference by feel.

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Re: hard lump
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2007, 01:58:24 PM »
True but some people are more prone then others (it just depends on how your body reacts to gear). I've known guys who've taken massive ammounts of Test (& other gear - Abombs, Dbol, etc) & done no PCT & had no gyno problems. I've also seen guys take 10mg of Dbol a day & get gyno.
trust me i understand, aint worth the risk though to not be prepped.

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Re: hard lump
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2007, 01:59:31 PM »
my ug is straight up

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Re: hard lump
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2007, 03:37:20 PM »
I would def start using nolva right away. like trab said three doses of 20mg spread throughout the day.
I would stay on the shots drop the dbol. you may even want to try some letrozole. I hear that can reverse gyno but have not tried it yetmyself. good luck.

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Re: hard lump
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2007, 11:10:25 PM »
have started 60mgs a day  nolva all ready stop d-ball on the day i felt the lump n my testc is right from walgreens  n hasn-t even kicked in yet

man that d- ball was kick ass shit  man i would of been a monster on that shit i could feel it working good

 whats the shortes cycle i can finsh  the testc with now i am 2 shots in
shortest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cycle
                                         

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Re: hard lump
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2007, 12:21:02 AM »
have started 60mgs a day  nolva all ready stop d-ball on the day i felt the lump n my testc is right from walgreens  n hasn-t even kicked in yet

man that d- ball was kick ass shit  man i would of been a monster on that shit i could feel it working good

 whats the shortes cycle i can finsh  the testc with now i am 2 shots in
shortest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cycle
                                         

Id say if you not willing to run it at least 8 weeks might as well stop now. otherwise the answer is 8 weeks minimum

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Re: hard lump
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2007, 03:06:46 PM »
how long before nipple will stop hurting? n will the lump ever go away? n how come only the left one got all messed up n not the right one?


         so 6 more shots n take 20mgs novla the whole time everyday plus pct?   





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Re: hard lump
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2007, 04:16:37 PM »
Yes the gyno onsett should clear up. the lump should also go away. if not you may need to try some letrozole.

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Re: hard lump
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2007, 05:05:03 AM »
Sorry, but I have to disagree with the thinking behind this whole thread.

1.  Gyno happens.  If you were not willing to have it happen and deal with it, you should never have started using AAS in the first place.  Just wait until you get you're first bad abcess.  You'll WISH gyno was all you had to worry about.

2.  Have enough nolva for your PCT AND enough on hand for gyno treatment if it occurs, and have this before you start your cycle.  The whole cycle, up front, ready to go BEFORE your first pin.

3. Use anti-e's throughout your cycle.  And no, don't use Nolva for this during the cycle, it's a poor choice in this regard.  Use an anti-aromatase, such as Arimidex.  If you start at 0.5mg per day, and if you truly are "gyno prone" you simply start ramping it up a little bit, say to 0.7mg per day for 1-2 days if some itching or soreness begins.  If a lump begins to appear, then you can supress that with as little as 10mg of Nolva per day until the lump disappears, and then continue with your higher Arimidex dose.  At your present state, you will likely need more Nolva than that (although 60mg is probabbly not necessary).  I'd start at around 30mg per day.





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Re: hard lump
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2007, 07:24:10 AM »
2.  Have enough nolva for your PCT AND enough on hand for gyno treatment if it occurs, and have this before you start your cycle.  The whole cycle, up front, ready to go BEFORE your first pin.

Exactly, have all your tools before you build.

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Re: hard lump
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2007, 10:10:33 AM »
thanks guys n you are right!!!!!   tryed to get by with minum

                              the old it won-t happen to me

found out the hard way  now i just want to fix it n finsh as short as posible  should i keep do ing the last 8 shots next shot is due on thursday 4-12 would be 3rd shot been doing 400mgs  a week 

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Re: hard lump
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2007, 04:45:39 PM »
so shots?            with nolva till lump goes then i need to use something else as anti-aromatase what cheap n easy to get