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« Reply #500 on: August 07, 2018, 07:03:23 PM »

My example has zero "problems".  Nero was an historical figure as was Peter.  Nero put Peter to death.  The only problem is yours but you can do as you wish and say what you will.

For you to compare the Nazarene to Jones or Manson...  That speaks volumes.  Make no mistake, you did just that.  If he (the Nazarene) was indeed "He", then I can assure you that you will be among those that hear, "Depart from me.  I never knew you".  And me? 

I am no better...Except I don't lie. You have a problem with the teachings of the Christ because they offend your ego.  You just use his false followers as an excuse.  Or is this just a facade of yours?  Shake it off before it covers you completely.


Nah, they don't offend my ego. I have no problem with the teachings of "The Nazarene" AKA Jesus. I make observations based on facts. The fact is, people dying for their belief is nothing new nor special
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« Reply #501 on: August 14, 2018, 11:59:57 AM »

Oh look, another christian priest molesting children...

Pennsylvania priest pleads guilty to sexually molesting 4th-grade boy

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2018/07/greensburg_priest_charged_with.html



But wait, there's more... More than 300 in fact...

'Bigger than Boston': What the Pa. clergy sex abuse report could mean

The grand jury report investigating sexual abuse across six Catholic dioceses in Pennsylvania names more than 300 "predator priests," according to a court order issued Friday.

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2018/07/more_than_300_predator_priests.html


And it seems the church tried to prevent the release of the report.

A huge clergy abuse probe is about to go public. Could Pa.'s attorney general be on the verge of slaying Goliath?

http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/maria-panaritis/pennsylvania-grand-jury-report-clergy-abuse-catholic-church-attorney-general-josh-shapiro-maria-panaritis-20180801.html

Nothing to see here folks...

Grand jury report IDs over 300 "predator priests," more than 1,000 child victims

HARRISBURG, Pa. -- More than 1,000 children -- and possibly many more -- were molested by hundreds of Roman Catholic priests in six Pennsylvania dioceses, while senior church officials took steps to cover it up, according to a landmark grand jury report released Tuesday.

The grand jury said it believes the "real number" of abused children might be "in the thousands" since some records were lost and victims were afraid to come forward. The report said more than 300 clergy committed the abuse over a period of decades.

Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro said the two-year probe found a systematic cover-up by senior church officials in Pennsylvania and at the Vatican.

"The cover-up was sophisticated. And all the while, shockingly, church leadership kept records of the abuse and the cover-up. These documents, from the dioceses' own 'Secret Archives,' formed the backbone of this investigation," he said at a news conference in Harrisburg.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/predator-priests-identified-grand-jury-report-pennsylvania-priest-abuse/
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« Reply #502 on: August 14, 2018, 09:20:32 PM »

Nothing to see here folks...

Grand jury report IDs over 300 "predator priests," more than 1,000 child victims

HARRISBURG, Pa. -- More than 1,000 children -- and possibly many more -- were molested by hundreds of Roman Catholic priests in six Pennsylvania dioceses, while senior church officials took steps to cover it up, according to a landmark grand jury report released Tuesday.

The grand jury said it believes the "real number" of abused children might be "in the thousands" since some records were lost and victims were afraid to come forward. The report said more than 300 clergy committed the abuse over a period of decades.

Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro said the two-year probe found a systematic cover-up by senior church officials in Pennsylvania and at the Vatican.

"The cover-up was sophisticated. And all the while, shockingly, church leadership kept records of the abuse and the cover-up. These documents, from the dioceses' own 'Secret Archives,' formed the backbone of this investigation," he said at a news conference in Harrisburg.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/predator-priests-identified-grand-jury-report-pennsylvania-priest-abuse/

No real Scotsman...
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« Reply #503 on: August 15, 2018, 01:39:30 PM »

Is this an example of muslim tolerance?

Jury delivers death sentence for Jordanian immigrant convicted of two Houston-area ‘honor killings’

A Jordanian immigrant was sentenced Tuesday to death for a pair of 2012 "honor killings" that were part of an extensive plot to kill five people, including his daughter, in retribution for her leaving home, converting to Christianity and marrying a Christian.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Jury-gives-decides-on-death-sentence-for-Jordian-13155493.php


This didn't happen in some third world muslim shithole, but in the US:

Boy found at New Mexico compound died in religious ritual, prosecutors say

AMALIA, N.M. — New details emerged Monday about the fate of one of the children found at a New Mexico desert compound raided by police 10 days ago. It came at a court hearing for five adults arrested on charges of abusing 11 other children at the compound.

At the bond hearing for Siraj Ibn Wahhaj and four others, prosecutors presented a disturbing update about his son, 3-year-old Abdul Ghani, whose body was found buried on an apocalyptic-looking compound authorities raided last week. Other children found there told investigators the boy died during a religious ritual.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boy-found-at-new-mexico-compound-died-in-religious-ritual-prosecutors-say/
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« Reply #504 on: August 15, 2018, 05:15:41 PM »

“Priests were raping little boys and girls, and the men of God who were responsible for them not only did nothing;  they hid it all. For decades. Monsignors, auxiliary bishops, bishops, archbishops, cardinals have mostly been protected; many, including some named in this report, have been promoted. Until that changes, we think it is too early to close the book on the Catholic Church sex scandal."

“We all wish more charges could be filed, but due to the church’s manipulation of our weak laws in Pennsylvania, too many predators were out of reach,” Shapiro said.

Sick. But apparently it was not sick enough for some "god-fearing" christians or devout priests who ignored the accusations or covered them up and maybe even disciplined children who would dare accuse the "pious servants of the lord" of such acts.

A small excerpt from the report on the perversions of the men of the christian god:

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In Erie, a 7-year-old boy was sexually abused by a priest who then told him he should go to confession and confess his “sins” to that same priest.

Another boy was repeatedly raped from ages 13 to 15 by a priest who bore down so hard on the boy’s back that it caused severe spine injuries. He became addicted to painkillers and later died of an overdose.

One victim in Pittsburgh was forced to pose naked as Christ on the cross while priests photographed him with a Polaroid camera. Priests gave the boy and others gold cross necklaces to mark them as being “groomed” for abuse.

The report makes clear that few criminal cases may result from the massive investigation.

“As a consequence of the coverup, almost every instance of abuse we found is too old to be prosecuted,” the report said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/08/14/pennsylvania-grand-jury-report-on-sex-abuse-in-catholic-church-will-list-hundreds-of-accused-predator-priests

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« Reply #505 on: August 17, 2018, 04:11:30 PM »

So now we have some paranoid religious extremists who try to "debunk" the Grand Jury report and undermine the abuse allegations and defend the church... Donohue sounds like the people who abused minors or those who knew about the abuse and tried to dismiss it or cover it up. Maybe next he'll start complaining about "christian persecution" and the "war on christmas".

"PA Grand Jury report based on accusations"

https://www.catholicleague.org/pa-grand-jury-report-based-on-accusations/

The attempt to "debunk" the report:

https://www.catholicleague.org/pennsylvania-grand-jury-report-debunked/

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Myth: The priests “raped” their victims.

Fact: This is an obscene lie. Most of the alleged victims were not raped: they were groped or otherwise abused, but not penetrated, which is what the word “rape” means.

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Myth: The abusive priests were pedophiles.

Anyone who actually reads the report knows it is a lie. Most were postpubescent. This doesn’t make the molestation okay — the guilty should be imprisoned — but it is wrong to give the impression that we are talking about 5-year-olds when more typically they were 15-year-olds.

Meanwhile, here are just very few disturbing examples from the Grand Jury report.

Reverend Anthony J. Cipolla
Cipolla was first accused of sexually abusing children, specifically, two brothers who were ages 9 (first victim) and 12 (second victim) in 1978 while Cipolla was assigned to St.Francis  Xavier. The abuses occurred in Cipolla' s bedroom in the rectory and also in a hotel room in Dearborn, Michigan. On July 25, 1978, the victims' mother called the Pittsburgh Police Department and criminal charges were filed. Ultimately, the criminal charges were not pursued to a conclusion because, according to the mother, she was harassed and threatened by church officials to drop the charges and to "let the church handle it."


Reverend Thomas J. Bender
In 1984, a known victim reported  that Bender abused him in 1981, while the victim was in seventh grade. The victim reported that he was abused in Bender's bed, where oral and anal sex occurred. When confronted at the Chancery, Bender admitted to abusing the victim.  He was sent  to  psychotherapy but again continued to serve as priest. In 1986, the victim was hospitalized for a drug overdose and subsequently admitted to the Northwest Institute of Psychiatry. The Diocese paid the first week's fee of $4,000. The victim and his family decided to report Bender to legal authorities and also  filed a civil suit.

In 1987, Bender  was put on a leave of absence. He was eventually arrested, convicted and, in 1988, sentenced to probation. Bender remained on his leave of absence until 2002, when he applied for retirement benefits. The Church granted Bender his retirement and provided him a monthly living allowance and paid for health insurance, life insurance, retreat and workshop fees, and car insurance. In 2004, the Diocese received additional reports of sexual abuse by Bender. In 2006, while collecting retirement benefits from the church, Bender was arrested in Long Island, New York, while traveling to meet what he believed was a fourteen year old boy for sex. The "boy" was an undercover detective whom Bender had  attempted to lure to a hotel room in Levittown, New York.


Monsignor Thomas J. Benestad
The victim was nine years old when the abuse began. Correspondence demonstrated that the Diocese reported the allegation to the Northampton County District Attorney's Office, which conducted an investigation and found the victim's allegations to be credible. The victim was taken out of class by a nun and delivered to Benestad in his office. The victim had worn shorts to CCD, which was against the rules. The victim was told that shorts were not proper attire and that not wearing proper attire was sinful. The victim was told to get on his knees and start praying. Benestad unzipped his pants and told the victim to perform oral sex on him. The victim did as he was told. Benestad also performed oral sex on the victim. The victim recalls that, after the abuse, Benestad would produce a clear bottle of holy water and squirt it into the victim's mouth to purify him. The District Attorney's Office found the applicable statute of limitations had expired and no charges were brought against Benestad. Additional complaints have been made against Benestad, who has denied all accusations. The Diocese elected to rely on Benestad's word rather than the word of the victims and the determinations of law enforcement. No attempt was made to remove Benestad  from  ministry. Benestad was granted retirement, resides in Boca Raton, Florida, and assists with a local parish.


Father Gregory Flohr
Flohr's final act of sexual abuse against the victim occurred in November 1969, when Flohr allegedly took the victim into the confessional of the Immaculate Conception church and began kissing him and tied him up with rope into a "praying position."  The victim began to scream, so Flohr tried to silence him by forcing his penis into his mouth. "When the [victim] refused the priest allegedly became angry and sodomized the [victim] with a crucifix approximately 7"x 5"x 1" in size." Flohr then stated that the victim was a "bad boy" and let him go. Following this incident, the victim deliberately set the church carpet on fire.  

There are more particularly disturbing cases, but the paranoid religious extremists will probably dismiss them as well.
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« Reply #506 on: August 17, 2018, 06:35:36 PM »

So now we have some paranoid religious extremists who try to "debunk" the Grand Jury report and undermine the abuse allegations and defend the church... Donohue sounds like the people who abused minors or those who knew about the abuse and tried to dismiss it or cover it up. Maybe next he'll start complaining about "christian persecution" and the "war on christmas".

"PA Grand Jury report based on accusations"

https://www.catholicleague.org/pa-grand-jury-report-based-on-accusations/

The attempt to "debunk" the report:

https://www.catholicleague.org/pennsylvania-grand-jury-report-debunked/

Meanwhile, here are just very few disturbing examples from the Grand Jury report.

Reverend Anthony J. Cipolla
Cipolla was first accused of sexually abusing children, specifically, two brothers who were ages 9 (first victim) and 12 (second victim) in 1978 while Cipolla was assigned to St.Francis  Xavier. The abuses occurred in Cipolla' s bedroom in the rectory and also in a hotel room in Dearborn, Michigan. On July 25, 1978, the victims' mother called the Pittsburgh Police Department and criminal charges were filed. Ultimately, the criminal charges were not pursued to a conclusion because, according to the mother, she was harassed and threatened by church officials to drop the charges and to "let the church handle it."


Reverend Thomas J. Bender
In 1984, a known victim reported  that Bender abused him in 1981, while the victim was in seventh grade. The victim reported that he was abused in Bender's bed, where oral and anal sex occurred. When confronted at the Chancery, Bender admitted to abusing the victim.  He was sent  to  psychotherapy but again continued to serve as priest. In 1986, the victim was hospitalized for a drug overdose and subsequently admitted to the Northwest Institute of Psychiatry. The Diocese paid the first week's fee of $4,000. The victim and his family decided to report Bender to legal authorities and also  filed a civil suit.

In 1987, Bender  was put on a leave of absence. He was eventually arrested, convicted and, in 1988, sentenced to probation. Bender remained on his leave of absence until 2002, when he applied for retirement benefits. The Church granted Bender his retirement and provided him a monthly living allowance and paid for health insurance, life insurance, retreat and workshop fees, and car insurance. In 2004, the Diocese received additional reports of sexual abuse by Bender. In 2006, while collecting retirement benefits from the church, Bender was arrested in Long Island, New York, while traveling to meet what he believed was a fourteen year old boy for sex. The "boy" was an undercover detective whom Bender had  attempted to lure to a hotel room in Levittown, New York.


Monsignor Thomas J. Benestad
The victim was nine years old when the abuse began. Correspondence demonstrated that the Diocese reported the allegation to the Northampton County District Attorney's Office, which conducted an investigation and found the victim's allegations to be credible. The victim was taken out of class by a nun and delivered to Benestad in his office. The victim had worn shorts to CCD, which was against the rules. The victim was told that shorts were not proper attire and that not wearing proper attire was sinful. The victim was told to get on his knees and start praying. Benestad unzipped his pants and told the victim to perform oral sex on him. The victim did as he was told. Benestad also performed oral sex on the victim. The victim recalls that, after the abuse, Benestad would produce a clear bottle of holy water and squirt it into the victim's mouth to purify him. The District Attorney's Office found the applicable statute of limitations had expired and no charges were brought against Benestad. Additional complaints have been made against Benestad, who has denied all accusations. The Diocese elected to rely on Benestad's word rather than the word of the victims and the determinations of law enforcement. No attempt was made to remove Benestad  from  ministry. Benestad was granted retirement, resides in Boca Raton, Florida, and assists with a local parish.


Father Gregory Flohr
Flohr's final act of sexual abuse against the victim occurred in November 1969, when Flohr allegedly took the victim into the confessional of the Immaculate Conception church and began kissing him and tied him up with rope into a "praying position."  The victim began to scream, so Flohr tried to silence him by forcing his penis into his mouth. "When the [victim] refused the priest allegedly became angry and sodomized the [victim] with a crucifix approximately 7"x 5"x 1" in size." Flohr then stated that the victim was a "bad boy" and let him go. Following this incident, the victim deliberately set the church carpet on fire.  

There are more particularly disturbing cases, but the paranoid religious extremists will probably dismiss them as well.

They should spend the rest of their lives in prison. 
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« Reply #507 on: August 22, 2018, 01:06:12 PM »

RI Catholic leaders oppose latest demand for bill on sex-abuse lawsuits

https://www.wpri.com/politics/ri-catholic-leaders-oppose-latest-demand-for-bill-on-sex-abuse-lawsuits/1383707694
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« Reply #508 on: August 22, 2018, 07:40:07 PM »


Thoughts and prayers sent
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« Reply #509 on: September 19, 2018, 04:09:44 PM »

Chris Pratt Is Unashamed of Being ‘Pro-Christian, Pro-Jesus’ in Hollywood
19 Sep 2018
https://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2018/09/19/chris-pratt-unashamed-of-being-pro-christian-pro-jesus-in-hollywood/
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« Reply #510 on: September 19, 2018, 05:18:14 PM »

Chris Pratt Is Unashamed of Being ‘Pro-Christian, Pro-Jesus’ in Hollywood
19 Sep 2018
https://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2018/09/19/chris-pratt-unashamed-of-being-pro-christian-pro-jesus-in-hollywood/

Impressive.  Thank you for the link, sir!
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« Reply #511 on: October 01, 2018, 03:46:26 PM »

'Aggressive Christianity' cult leader gets 72 years in prison

GRANTS, N.M. (KRQE) - The leader of a New Mexico Christian cult will spend the rest of her life behind bars for what she did to a child on her compound near Gallup.

Deborah Green led a cult dubbed the "Aggressive Christian Mission Training Corps." She called herself "the General" and dressed like one.

Green was sentenced Wednesday in district court in Grants right after one of the victims gave emotional testimony about what happened on the compound.

The victim further spoke about what she described as years of torture by Green that she continues to struggle recovering from physically and emotionally, adding she's had 11 surgeries to help fix broken bones.

The judge gave Green 72 years for three counts of child rape, two counts of kidnapping and one count of child abuse.

The abuse came to light last year when authorities raided the compound in Fence Lake near Gallup and found 11 children. Some of them were as young as 4 years old and being held against their will.

https://www.krqe.com/news/new-mexico/-aggressive-christianity-cult-leader-sentenced/1477766667
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« Reply #512 on: October 01, 2018, 07:35:27 PM »

'Aggressive Christianity' cult leader gets 72 years in prison

GRANTS, N.M. (KRQE) - The leader of a New Mexico Christian cult will spend the rest of her life behind bars for what she did to a child on her compound near Gallup.

Deborah Green led a cult dubbed the "Aggressive Christian Mission Training Corps." She called herself "the General" and dressed like one.

Green was sentenced Wednesday in district court in Grants right after one of the victims gave emotional testimony about what happened on the compound.

The victim further spoke about what she described as years of torture by Green that she continues to struggle recovering from physically and emotionally, adding she's had 11 surgeries to help fix broken bones.

The judge gave Green 72 years for three counts of child rape, two counts of kidnapping and one count of child abuse.

The abuse came to light last year when authorities raided the compound in Fence Lake near Gallup and found 11 children. Some of them were as young as 4 years old and being held against their will.

https://www.krqe.com/news/new-mexico/-aggressive-christianity-cult-leader-sentenced/1477766667

People are so narrow minded. It's not about what happens here on earth. this is but a drop in the bucket. It's about eternity. Green obviously had the big picture in mind
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« Reply #513 on: October 05, 2018, 05:58:23 AM »

'Aggressive Christianity' cult leader gets 72 years in prison

GRANTS, N.M. (KRQE) - The leader of a New Mexico Christian cult will spend the rest of her life behind bars for what she did to a child on her compound near Gallup.

Deborah Green led a cult dubbed the "Aggressive Christian Mission Training Corps." She called herself "the General" and dressed like one.

Green was sentenced Wednesday in district court in Grants right after one of the victims gave emotional testimony about what happened on the compound.

The victim further spoke about what she described as years of torture by Green that she continues to struggle recovering from physically and emotionally, adding she's had 11 surgeries to help fix broken bones.

The judge gave Green 72 years for three counts of child rape, two counts of kidnapping and one count of child abuse.

The abuse came to light last year when authorities raided the compound in Fence Lake near Gallup and found 11 children. Some of them were as young as 4 years old and being held against their will.

https://www.krqe.com/news/new-mexico/-aggressive-christianity-cult-leader-sentenced/1477766667

So an obvious, non-Christian, mentally unstable woman masquerading as a "Christian General" committed a bunch of horrific crimes against folks in this compound and is now serving jail time?

Sounds like the punishment is just.

Further the only connection this situation has with Christianity is this woman's use of the term "Christian".  It's just an extremist case force fit as an argument for the ignorant who stand blindly opposed to Christianity.....brillia nt.

My monthly check in is done and GB is still a cesspool of unbelief....big shocker LOL....out.
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« Reply #514 on: October 05, 2018, 09:31:12 AM »

So an obvious, non-Christian, mentally unstable woman masquerading as a "Christian General" committed a bunch of horrific crimes against folks in this compound and is now serving jail time?

Sounds like the punishment is just.

Further the only connection this situation has with Christianity is this woman's use of the term "Christian".  It's just an extremist case force fit as an argument for the ignorant who stand blindly opposed to Christianity.....brillia nt.

My monthly check in is done and GB is still a cesspool of unbelief....big shocker LOL....out.

I feel sad for you that you deem not believing in a supernatural being you can't prove exists, a cesspool. I think it refreshing that people can break the bonds of cult mentality
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« Reply #515 on: October 05, 2018, 01:57:58 PM »

So an obvious, non-Christian, mentally unstable woman masquerading as a "Christian General" committed a bunch of horrific crimes against folks in this compound and is now serving jail time?

Sounds like the punishment is just.

Further the only connection this situation has with Christianity is this woman's use of the term "Christian".  It's just an extremist case force fit as an argument for the ignorant who stand blindly opposed to Christianity.....brillia nt.

My monthly check in is done and GB is still a cesspool of unbelief....big shocker LOL....out.

Well said.  This female creature is no more a follower of the Christ than I but I have the decency to say as much.  As for "cults", a friend once said that a cult is nothing more than a "religion" without political power.

I for one am glad that Christians are finding their political might as well as their collective testicular fortitude.  Fuck liberals for they demand you turn the other cheek when they attack you.    Christians are allowed to defend themselves.


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Only a pussy lib quotes the Bible when it suits them.  Fuck those assholes.
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« Reply #516 on: October 05, 2018, 06:33:33 PM »

I feel sad for you that you deem not believing in a supernatural being you can't prove exists, a cesspool. I think it refreshing that people can break the bonds of cult mentality

Maybe he was talking about the stormfrontesque mentality of most getbigger's as being the cesspool? 
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« Reply #517 on: October 05, 2018, 09:23:10 PM »

Maybe he was talking about the stormfrontesque mentality of most getbigger's as being the cesspool? 

you think?
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« Reply #518 on: October 05, 2018, 11:58:08 PM »

you think?

No, I was trying to put a positive spin on it.
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« Reply #519 on: October 06, 2018, 02:41:36 PM »

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No, I was trying to put a positive spin on it.
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