Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?

[mikediesel]

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[Milos_Sarcev]

i've heard milos' side of the story and i've seen the pics.

now i invite chic and shawn or any other ifbb boy to tell us that contest was straight up.

i just wonder how shawn or chic would feel if they were ripped off to that extent i mean i'm not talking apples and oranges here (ray and yates) i'm talking apples and horse manure (no disrespect to the other competitor but that's how far behind he was).

wouldn't you want your corner to speak up for you chic? shawn? (crickets...).

and if the ifbb does suspend milos (apparently the only person with the courage and integrity to speak up) exactly what type of message does that send to people like chua? can you say "cate blanch to do what ever they want!"

i mean, who the hell is the watchdog at ifbb events oh, that must have been chua's right hand man.

i hope the people that matter from the ifbb actually read these message boards because it is quite obvious that the fans are right behind milos. at a time when the org is spiralling down the drain me thinks it might matter what the fans think.

 

At least - somebody is reading and listening what I have to say.

[Milos_Sarcev]

Where is the integrity?  You find Milos Innocent and someone else guilty without any proof.  Do you swallow too?

My integrity is more than obvious...and I stand behind - everything that I said in this case.

Anyone with even milligram of brain could see what I am fighting for...There is my integrity (to answer your question).

BTW - are we on for Thursday evening in NY?

[Milos_Sarcev]

Lets get a few things straight...I wasn't there, and don't know of anyone else but Milos that was there, so for me to make comment on who I thought should have won, or if there was any wrong doing...would not be appropriote.

I had no vested interest in who won...Milos did. He has his own version of what went down..I'm sure Paul Chua has his, and so on, and so on....As far as I know...Milos was given an opportunity to show proof of his accusations, and a hearing was set/

I don't know what the results of that hearing was, and have been given no notification as of this posting.

Lets get a few things straight...

I had no vested interest in who won...and by even mentioning this - you are going in wrong direction.

When did you see me complaining about ANY OF MY or my athletes placing?
It was NOT about my athlete...it was about FIXING THE SHOW of MEGA magnitude, bluntly in front of many people...after 2 decades of doing pretty much the same - time after time, show after show...

I was told in advance (months before) that possibility of "fixing" looks quite real to numerous people (including Minister of Youth and Sport of Malaysia...).
I was even given "prediction list" of each and every medal in each and every category - and 24 out of 24 predictions materialized at the show!
Eight categories...3 medals...and not a single "miss"...Las Vegas - where are you when we need you?

Well, after years of hearing horror stories from Asia...and similar predictions - I decided to make the trip and see it for myself.

I went there voluntarily...and chose NOT to even charge Malaysian Government for my trip to Doha...so I would have NO INTEREST...

My interest was exactly: integrity of my IFBB federation and I simply didn't want to believe those stories being POSSIBLE...

What I saw was most disturbing, disgusting, disappointing thing EVER...

Now, I could have ZERO integrity and bellow zero courage (like Shawn and texasbubba for example) and close my eyes to everything as I would not want to "step on anyone's foot" and in their brown-nose way of living you simply must be "politically correct" and agree with "powers" in every situation - regardless...

I have no doubt - what would these guys do (well, we all know "they" are the same person...but for the sake of "playing their /read: his/ game let's continue pretending that texasbubba is actually NOT Shawn ).

So, next time you want to look up in Webster under "Integrity" let me know if you like my picture they used...(I personally think they could have used better photo of me...but...oh, well).




BTW - Dennis James was there as well...and all the photos are posted on my forum - if anyone really wants to see...

[onlyme]

Lee, you're a running joke in bodybuilding and the worse part is that you don't get it.  You start a one man protest and no-one followed you.  I'm actually glad that you're blackballed now, you'll never see an IFBB stage again. 


The IFBB isn't going away because some blond headed 3rd tier bodybuilding midget saids so.  Your faith in your fans is one thing, but it doesn't pay the bills. 

How would you know what is in bodybuilding.  You aren't part of it. Just you show up on stage drunk and in your underwear cause your friends pulled your pants down doesn't mean you are in bodybuilding.

[Milos_Sarcev]

A "fix" would be a contestant that was guaranteed a victory by way of payout, or some other circumstance that guaranted a win, no matter what.

A "gift" would be when a contest could have gone to the second place guy, but went to the winner anyway. You know, like Lee winning over David Henry at the IM...

get it now?

EXACTLY

And that's why I called it a : FIX...

[Chick]

Lets get a few things straight...

I had no vested interest in who won...and by even mentioning this - you are going in wrong direction.

When did you see me complaining about ANY OF MY or my athletes placing?
It was NOT about my athlete...it was about FIXING THE SHOW of MEGA magnitude, bluntly in front of many people...after 2 decades of doing pretty much the same - time after time, show after show...

I was told in advance (months before) that possibility of "fixing" looks quite real to numerous people (including Minister of Youth and Sport of Malaysia...).
I was even given "prediction list" of each and every medal in each and every category - and 24 out of 24 predictions materialized at the show!
Eight categories...3 medals...and not a single "miss"...Las Vegas - where are you when we need you?

Well, after years of hearing horror stories from Asia...and similar predictions - I decided to make the trip and see it for myself.

I went there voluntarily...and chose NOT to even charge Malaysian Government for my trip to Doha...so I would have NO INTEREST...

My interest was exactly: integrity of my IFBB federation and I simply didn't want to believe those stories being POSSIBLE...

What I saw was most disturbing, disgusting, disappointing thing EVER...

Now, I could have ZERO integrity and courage (like Shawn and texasbubba for example) and close my eyes to everything as I would not want to "step on everyone's foot" and in their brown-nose way of living you simply must be "politically correct" and agree with "powers" in every situation - regardless...

I have no doubt - what would these guys do (well, we all know "they" are the same person...but for the sake of "playing their /read: his/ game let's continue pretending that texasbubba is actually NOT Shawn ).

So, next time you want to look up in Webster under "Integrity" let me know if you like my picture they used...(I personally think they could have used better photo of me...but...oh, well).




BTW - Dennis James was there as well...and all the photos are posted on my forum - if anyone really wants to see...

Are you saying that if your athlete won, you would have received no money from his winnings?

[Milos_Sarcev]

Are you saying that if your athlete won, you would have received no money from his winnings?

YES Chick...THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING.

[Slintowin]

hmmmmmmm   I wasn't their so I cant comment but Im sure Justice will prevail

[onlyme]

Milos owning the shit out of Chic.  Texasblubber doesn't count.  Never has.  It's simple, the IFBB wants no one involved with them that rocks the boat and can expose them on how the REALLY conduct business.  It appears to me and many others that Milos is right.  But it doesn't matter.  The IFBB is crooked and run by crooks, they would never let anyone stick around who doesn't want to do it their way.  I have always thought it was funny how Manion that huge assole in the middle of an IFBB meeting has someone who has one of my Muscle Mafia shirts on take it off right there in the meeting or get kicked out of the IFBB. Now thats being scared

[Vince B]

How much longer do bodybuilders have to put up with the IFBB, Chick, Paul Chua, Paul Graham and other such people? It is about time elections were held for all positions. Unless you can remove people through elections you are not going to get the best people involved. Of course, Ben Weider set up his business to look like an official sporting organization when in fact it is a business. Ben liked to control things and appointed people who worked with him to run things. Most of the time things seem okay but even in Australia over the years there have been heaps of compaints. At one time in Australia we had about 5 open organizations and 2 natural ones. There were so many Mr Australias that the title means very little today. When I came to Australia in 1971 there was one Mr Australia and everyone went to the contests. Now there are heaps of Mr Australias and not that many attend any more. Well, people go here and there and no longer attend the same contest. I bet the same thing is going to happen in America. IFBB, PDI, WBBF, etc., etc.

[Hedgehog]

Pro BBing has been pulled from the Asian games.

Bob Chic spilling it on the radio show.

Milos claims to have proof of this impropriety.

Chic says Milos will likely be suspended soon from the IFBB.

I'm sure posing in minimal posing trunks had nothing to do with it.

That there is no out-of-competition testing on all of the IFBB members... I am sure that has nothing to do with it either.

Yeah. It was all Milos.


What the fcuk? Is this even up for discussion?

-Hedge

[UK Gold]

Chick has a chance here to prove himself a worthy IFBB athletes rep. If he has any integrity left, he should travel to see this Chua guy and demand an explanation. He should also see the athlete that got BLATANTLY screwed and promise to take up his cause. Or does he only care about the athletes when he's sure it won't rock Auntie Ben's cash making boat?

Come on Chick. Nows the time to stand up for your athletes against corruption.

Or havn't you got the balls?

[Chick]

Chick has a chance here to prove himself a worthy IFBB athletes rep. If he has any integrity left, he should travel to see this Chua guy and demand an explanation. He should also see the athlete that got BLATANTLY screwed and promise to take up his cause. Or does he only care about the athletes when he's sure it won't rock Auntie Ben's cash making boat?

Come on Chick. Nows the time to stand up for your athletes against corruption.

Or havn't you got the balls?

It's got nothing to do with "balls", fol....It's an IFBB AMATEUR event...not PRO. I have nothing to do with it. Why do you automatically believe their was any type of wrongdoing? Just because Milos said so? As usual, there are two sides to every story...

Try and get your facts straight befrore making a bigger ass of yourself..

[UK Gold]

It's got nothing to do with "balls", fol....It's an IFBB AMATEUR event...not PRO. I have nothing to do with it. Why do you automatically believe their was any type of wrongdoing? Just because Milos said so? As usual, there are two sides to every story...

Try and get your facts straight befrore making a bigger ass of yourself..

I'm sure all the amateurs will be thrilled you hold them in such regard

Milos has presented us all with evidence of corruption in the IFBB - amateur or not. I would of thought that someone of your stature in the sport would be concerned. Obviously not. I guess you're happy as long as you get to serve coffee to Auntie Ben.

I am not one of the 'haters' of getbig - i genuinely love bodybuilding, and i would like to think if you've put in the training and the time you've got a shot at victory. If, as Milos says is true, the winners were predetermined then surely there has to be an investigation? And why couldn't you head it?

[Chick]

I'm sure all the amateurs will be thrilled you hold them in such regard

Milos has presented us all with evidence of corruption in the IFBB - amateur or not. I would of thought that someone of your stature in the sport would be concerned. Obviously not. I guess you're happy as long as you get to serve coffee to Auntie Ben.

I am not one of the 'haters' of getbig - i genuinely love bodybuilding, and i would like to think if you've put in the training and the time you've got a shot at victory. If, as Milos says is true, the winners were predetermined then surely there has to be an investigation? And why couldn't you head it?

There IS an investigation...By the President of the Federation himself, Raphael Santonja. If what Milos said as any truth to it, then I'm sure he'll have the support of all the athletes that were involved...

[Shawn Ray]

The operative word is "IF" since Milos wanted to talk about everything but " Proof!"

[omg]

there is no bodybuilding in asia

why?

in 2/3 of asia there is poverty, kids are happy to see a decent meal of rice veg and little meat, they are not counting how many gms of potein they got. they all are caught up with going to sch and stressing their little brains out

in the devoloped countries. work hours are long, little leisure time, no support or money for bodybuilders

but bbding wasnt dropped due to milos dont be stupid, probably due to lack of support and steriods scandals

[Chick]

there is no bodybuilding in asia

why?

in 2/3 of asia there is poverty, kids are happy to see a decent meal of rice veg and little meat, they are not counting how many gms of potein they got. they all are caught up with going to sch and stressing their little brains out

in the devoloped countries. work hours are long, little leisure time, no support or money for bodybuilders

but bbding wasnt dropped due to milos dont be stupid, probably due to lack of support and steriods scandals

Here....this may help you out:


From Milos:


I have been traveling extensively in the last decade and one thing did get my attention:
every time I was in Asia I heard some rumors about gentelman by the name of Paul Chua - fixing the scores of competitions on regular bases...

I didn't take these claims seriously - as I know better that in any bodybuilding competition ONLY A WINNER agrees with the judges...
There were many talks about "fixings" of many competitions - but as I competed 110 times in my life (72 IFBB pro shows) and seeing HUNDREDS of others - I can honestly say that I have never witness blunt fixing of any show...(maybe I would not agree sometimes with placing...but I can't say I saw FIXING - ever).

Not until I went to Doha and witnessed the Asian Games.

Now - some of you might have to realize first what is at stake to understand just little better WHY fixing could be of major proportions...

Gold medalists in that competition (Asian games are held every 4 years - just like the Olympics) would receive $250000.oo - YES, you read it correctly QUORTER of the million dollars from respective governments (each country awards their athletes little different - but that is the ball park range..)

Qatar actually offered $150000.oo BONUS...so two of their bodybuilders (gold medalists) received $400000.oo EACH...
UAE (gold medal in question) offered $250000.oo, HOUSE and brand new Mercedes - to their winner...
Singapore (another BEYOND questionable gold medal) - $250000.oo plus undisclosed bonus...etc

[musclecenter]

there is no bodybuilding in asia

why?

in 2/3 of asia there is poverty, kids are happy to see a decent meal of rice veg and little meat, they are not counting how many gms of potein they got. they all are caught up with going to sch and stressing their little brains out

in the devoloped countries. work hours are long, little leisure time, no support or money for bodybuilders

but bbding wasnt dropped due to milos dont be stupid, probably due to lack of support and steriods scandals

Bodybuilding now is very popular in Asian countries like Taiwan ,Hong kong,Korea ....
Every 2 years at Taiwan's Games ,every classwinner can get about 5,000 USD..or more.....
(Some other countries offer more than this ....)

[sgt. d]

The 2 vince on this board needs help badly

[sgt. d]

Lee why do you keep avoiding me and lift question?

Why did you lie to ron on camera that you was planning on coming back to the ifbb? Why do you lie so much?  For kicks and thrills?

[CQ]

there is no bodybuilding in asia

why?

in 2/3 of asia there is poverty, kids are happy to see a decent meal of rice veg and little meat, they are not counting how many gms of potein they got. they all are caught up with going to sch and stressing their little brains out

in the devoloped countries. work hours are long, little leisure time, no support or money for bodybuilders

but bbding wasnt dropped due to milos dont be stupid, probably due to lack of support and steriods scandals

Not from Asia, but from a developing region myself. Poverty does not mean there is no bodybuilding. Even Haiti, the poorest nation on the western hemisphere, enters a team. In many ways, they have a lot of determination, as it is seen as a 'way out'.

[omg]

bob, u are right some government offer alot of money to motivate their atheletes to win medals

but u have to realise, only 1 one guy can win that gold medal money, and its only once every few years. the 99% of guys that dont win anything take home very little, if any money.  if u take malaysia, what is 200,000 malaysian ringet? that is like around 70,000USD. divide that by 4 years since asian games only once every few years, u get what ? 15,000usd per year, thats what the CHAMPION earn...similar to what an average joe in the USA can make in 6months.

the rest of the atheletes get nothing. unlike USA, there is no supplement endorsements deals, no magazine covers, no talkshows, no paid guest posing for bodybuilders, because there is no market and fans for bdding in asia, few ppl even bother abt it on the news.

its changing as asia develops. but just see how many iffb pros are asian, and how many are from usa, europe, rest of world? that tells you something about the bodybuilding scene in asia

[omg]

Not from Asia, but from a developing region myself. Poverty does not mean there is no bodybuilding. Even Haiti, the poorest nation on the western hemisphere, enters a team. In many ways, they have a lot of determination, as it is seen as a 'way out'.

I disagree. poverty does indeed mean there will be no bodybuilding.

bodybulding is a sport that needs a lot of good food , good rest and time to train, when majority of ppl have trouble putting food on the table for their family they wont be thinking of taking in 200gms of protein a day.

havent heard of haiti bodybuilders making a scene anywhere, didnt know haiti existed till your post. that should tell u something about their 'success'

the world is unfair, determination exists in every human, from the starving kid in africa to the wannabe bodybuilder in haiti, MONEY does not