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And the DEMS think its peachy keen to just leave?
« on: May 02, 2007, 01:44:19 PM »
OH MY!

Pulling U.S. forces from Iraq could trigger catastrophe, CNN analysts and other observers warn, affecting not just Iraq but its neighbors in the Middle East, with far-reaching global implications.

Sectarian violence could erupt on a scale never seen before in Iraq if coalition troops leave before Iraq's security forces are ready. Supporters of al Qaeda could develop an international hub of terror from which to threaten the West. And the likely civil war could draw countries like Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Iran into a broader conflict.

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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy king to just leave?
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2007, 01:45:59 PM »
A rapid withdrawal of all U.S. troops would hurt America's image and hand al Qaeda and other terror groups a propaganda victory that the United States is only a "paper tiger," CNN terrorism analyst Peter Bergen said.

"It would also play into their strategy, which is to create a mini-state somewhere in the Middle East where they can reorganize along the lines of what they did in Afghanistan in the late '90s," Bergen told CNN.com.

It was in Afghanistan where Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda allied with the Taliban, and were allowed to run terror bases and plan the September 11, 2001 attacks against the United States.

Bergen says it is imperative that the United States not let that happen in Iraq.

"What we must prevent is central/western Iraq [from] becoming a Sunni militant state that threatens our interests directly as an international terror hub," he said.

Don Shepperd, a retired Air Force major-general and military analyst for CNN, agreed that Sunni Muslim fighters who support al Qaeda would seek an enclave inside a lawless Iraq likely riven along sectarian lines into Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish regions.

There would be "increasing attempts by terrorists to establish a training sanctuary in Iraq," Shepperd said.

That's one of the reasons why a fast withdrawal will not happen, whatever the politicians say, the analysts predict.

"Everyone wants the troops home -- the Iraqis, the U.S., the world -- but no one wants a precipitous withdrawal that produces a civil war, a bloodbath, nor a wider war in an unstable Mideast," Shepperd said, adding that the image of the United States was important too.

"And we do not want a U.S that is perceived as having been badly defeated in the global war on terror or as an unreliable future ally or coalition partner."

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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy king to just leave?
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2007, 01:46:36 PM »
OH MY!

Pulling U.S. forces from Iraq could trigger catastrophe, CNN analysts and other observers warn, affecting not just Iraq but its neighbors in the Middle East, with far-reaching global implications.

Sectarian violence could erupt on a scale never seen before in Iraq if coalition troops leave before Iraq's security forces are ready. Supporters of al Qaeda could develop an international hub of terror from which to threaten the West. And the likely civil war could draw countries like Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Iran into a broader conflict.



and whose fault is this?

saddam looking better every day eh...
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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy king to just leave?
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2007, 01:46:59 PM »
Shepperd said Iraq's neighbors would be drawn into the all-out civil war likely if U.S. forces left too quickly. Iran could move in to further strengthen its influence in southern Iraq; Turkey likely would move against the Kurds in the north; and Saudi Arabia would be inclined to take action to protect Sunnis in western Iraq, he said.

The oil sector could also get hit hard, with Iran potentially mining the Persian Gulf and attempting to close the Straits of Hormuz, putting a stranglehold on oil flow, Shepperd says.

"Oil prices would skyrocket," he said -- perhaps soaring from current prices of about $60 a barrel to more than $100 a barrel, with consequent rises at the gas pump.

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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy king to just leave?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2007, 01:47:33 PM »
A rapid withdrawal of all U.S. troops would hurt America's image


2 late..

if and when you DO travel to ..well anywhere..say you r canadian.. :)
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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy king to just leave?
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2007, 01:47:47 PM »
and whose fault is this?

saddam looking better every day eh...

NOPE.  FInishing the job looks better every day.
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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy king to just leave?
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2007, 01:58:43 PM »
What I haven't seen on here is how people think these CNN correspondents saying we can not leave will hurt the Democrats in "08 (if at all). We all know how the public is influenced by the media's opinion. How will it affect Democrats if they keep saying we have to leave, but the media says we have to stay. This could be one of the biggest stories heading into the election.

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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy king to just leave?
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2007, 02:01:09 PM »
NOPE.  FInishing the job looks better every day.

That sounds nice.

But given the lack of any quantifiable achieved objectives, but very well documented death and money costs - Tell us why "finishing the job" looks better today than it did one year ago.

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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy king to just leave?
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2007, 02:04:10 PM »
"peachy keen"
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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy king to just leave?
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2007, 02:11:43 PM »
NOPE.  FInishing the job looks better every day.

Care to explain exactly what job you're referring to?

Four years in and Iraq isn't remotely close to being a functioning self sustaining democracy. Perhaps in another 10 years they'll actually have a viable police force.

The whole war is one giant clusterfuck without rhyme or reason and certainly without a coherent plan.

And when exactly are gas prices going to come down instead of continually rising. Gas is currently $3.00 a gallon for 87 octane here. If our oil companies are buying at a discounted price when if ever is that going to trickle down to the consumer?

Gas prices have risen about $.30 a gallon here in the last month or so.

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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy king to just leave?
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2007, 02:16:23 PM »
Care to explain exactly what job you're referring to?

Four years in and Iraq isn't remotely close to being a functioning self sustaining democracy. Perhaps in another 10 years they'll actually have a viable police force.

The whole war is one giant clusterfuck without rhyme or reason and certainly without a coherent plan.

And when exactly are gas prices going to come down instead of continually rising. Gas is currently $3.00 a gallon for 87 octane here. If our oil companies are buying at a discounted price when if ever is that going to trickle down to the consumer?

Gas prices have risen about $.30 a gallon here in the last month or so.

worried only about yourself.  pity son.  Us republicans can afford the gas hike!

And with that, time to blow these pythons up !
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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy king to just leave?
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2007, 02:30:05 PM »
NOPE.  FInishing the job looks better every day.

soo ya think buish will finish the job before he leaves?

orrr hand over the headache to the next prez?

o btw..define "finishing the job" will ya  :)

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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy king to just leave?
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2007, 02:36:48 PM »
soo ya think buish will finish the job before he leaves?

orrr hand over the headache to the next prez?

o btw..define "finishing the job" will ya  :)

thanx


Was a "job" ever started?

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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy keen to just leave?
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2007, 02:42:49 PM »
It's funny - Rooster repeated the same old standard line "Finish the job" and said it sounds better than ever - yet even after being quizzed by 4 getbiggers, he cannot put into words why.

Rooster, speak on this.  Stop with the tired lines.  When will this war be won? 

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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy king to just leave?
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2007, 02:43:13 PM »
worried only about yourself.  pity son.  Us republicans can afford the gas hike!

And with that, time to blow these pythons up !

Excellent post.

I thank you for the well reasoned and well thought out response.

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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy keen to just leave?
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2007, 02:46:50 PM »
LOL @ "Peachy King"

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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy king to just leave?
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2007, 03:01:13 PM »
Was a "job" ever started?

Just a snow job.  :-\

We faired much better under Clinton with just a blow job.  :D

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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy keen to just leave?
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2007, 04:17:48 PM »
It's funny - Rooster repeated the same old standard line "Finish the job" and said it sounds better than ever - yet even after being quizzed by 4 getbiggers, he cannot put into words why.

Rooster, speak on this.  Stop with the tired lines.  When will this war be won? 

I trust that you are asking "when" in jest 240 because you know no war is fought with a end date. However I think tonight I might research the wars that were enterd into in which the end date was known going in. Somthing interesting I found out was that a couple wars conviently ended when a presidents term was up:

WWII ended in 1945 FDR's last year
Korea ended in 53, Truman's last year

Will Iraq be the third one to end in the presiden't last year?

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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy keen to just leave?
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2007, 05:08:44 PM »
Will Iraq be the third one to end in the presiden't last year?

The Pentagon already announced that Oct 2008 we will "win" and remove troops.  The oil pipeline construction will coincidentally finish that month too.  Coincidence?

This will give the dems the "victory" of pulling out, right about the time that Iraq turns to chaos for a period of time, which will coincidentally be the Nov 2008 elections.  Nice, huh?

So pipeline built, we leave iraq, Dems left powerless and looking guilty for Iraqi chaos - all as Bush leaves office.  LOL... it's almost comical how he's pwning everyone.  The repubs are by no means stupid.  They know the score.  There will be slaughter in nov 2008 in Iraq, and dems will get all the blame.  I betcha.

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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy keen to just leave?
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2007, 05:10:54 PM »
And, if people are stupid enough to vote repub in 2008 because of an Iraqi mess in Nov 2008, what's next?

Following that will be the Rudy/Romney ticket, taking over in 2008 and leading the war against iran.

it's a series of conquests for oil, plain and simple. 

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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy keen to just leave?
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2007, 05:12:46 PM »
The Pentagon already announced that Oct 2008 we will "win" and remove troops.  The oil pipeline construction will coincidentally finish that month too.  Coincidence?

This will give the dems the "victory" of pulling out, right about the time that Iraq turns to chaos for a period of time, which will coincidentally be the Nov 2008 elections.  Nice, huh?

So pipeline built, we leave iraq, Dems left powerless and looking guilty for Iraqi chaos - all as Bush leaves office.  LOL... it's almost comical how he's pwning everyone.  The repubs are by no means stupid.  They know the score.  There will be slaughter in nov 2008 in Iraq, and dems will get all the blame.  I betcha.

Clinton warned the Dems before he left the WH about Bush not being a fool.

They didn't listen.


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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy keen to just leave?
« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2007, 05:14:23 PM »
And, if people are stupid enough to vote repub in 2008 because of an Iraqi mess in Nov 2008, what's next?

Following that will be the Rudy/Romney ticket, taking over in 2008 and leading the war against iran.

it's a series of conquests for oil, plain and simple. 

It's more than oil, 240.

Iraq is a strategic foothold in the Middle East.

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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy keen to just leave?
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2007, 05:16:28 PM »
It's more than oil, 240.

Iraq is a strategic foothold in the Middle East.


yeah i know.  20 permanent bases in Iraq in a perfect line along the pipeline route, facing indochina for any future conflict, plus ability to hit anything over there quickly.  I know it's in the best interest of the US, so I don't disagree with the war anymore.  It's funny though, how they're gonna blame the chaos on the dems, and people will be dumb enough to blame them.

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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy keen to just leave?
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2007, 05:12:28 AM »
The Pentagon already announced that Oct 2008 we will "win" and remove troops.  The oil pipeline construction will coincidentally finish that month too.  Coincidence?

This will give the dems the "victory" of pulling out, right about the time that Iraq turns to chaos for a period of time, which will coincidentally be the Nov 2008 elections.  Nice, huh?

So pipeline built, we leave iraq, Dems left powerless and looking guilty for Iraqi chaos - all as Bush leaves office.  LOL... it's almost comical how he's pwning everyone.  The repubs are by no means stupid.  They know the score.  There will be slaughter in nov 2008 in Iraq, and dems will get all the blame.  I betcha.

If I had a bigger attention span (I hate searching the internet) I would really be interested in how WWII and Korea got wrapped up in those final years of FRD and Truman. Was it screaming along and then come to a halt? Or was it dying down naturally and just coincidence that they ended when they did.

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Re: And the DEMS think its peachy keen to just leave?
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2007, 05:34:03 AM »
It's funny - Rooster repeated the same old standard line "Finish the job" and said it sounds better than ever - yet even after being quizzed by 4 getbiggers, he cannot put into words why.

Rooster, speak on this.  Stop with the tired lines.  When will this war be won? 

I've said numerous times dude that perhaps this war was a mistake but now that we  are there, how the fuck do you think we can just leave?  The entire middle east will go up in flames.  Fuck, I don't have the damn answer to how to win, you don't have the answer to how to correctly lose either.  All I know is we can't at this point just fucking walk out, if we do the result of that will be a lot worse than continuing to fight on.
As much as I can't tell you how to win, you can't tell me how to lose either.

Stalemate.   But we can't just vanish......and you know it.

Then again, i'm not the prez, so i don't make that decision, I have to trust my leaders.
And thank god you ain't in charge of anything either.
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