200 IQ and 500 bench we must get him to post here!

[Jujoshu]

If you're judging intelligence as it's commonly defined the guy is most certainly brilliant. In all likelihood he has the highest IQ of anyone currently living. Intelligence is usually defined in a narrow sense. That is, ability to use analytical reasoning and problem solve. There are no doubts he is above and beyond in these categories. However, if you're going to define intelligence as living a high quality life, level of happiness, self-esteem etc, then yes IQ tests don't account for these other variables. Happiness, for instance, is often equated with having moral virtue. A person with a high IQ wouldn't necessarily be virtuous in conduct. So, it stands to reason a person with a high IQ may suffer from the common inadequacies that befall many others. It all depends on your notion of intelligence.

[The Squadfather]

hahahahahaa, they did a story on this clown on our local news here in St. Louis because the guy lives here in Missouri apparently, there is NO WAY IN HELL that this guy benched 500, i also don't believe that his IQ is anywhere near 200, i'd say maybe the 160's.

[Debussey]

IQ = definitively a good indicator of general intelligence, both statistically and in Debusseys experience.

One segment of intelligence = the ability to think "deep" thoughts about complex subjects. High IQ enable you to see things other people does not see, because you can see the relationships between concepts, while normal people see only "one side".

It's a general trend. Dumb people will generally focus on only one side of a cause and become real angry because of it, while brainiacs can evaluate the entire picture.

Have you ever heard retards or normal people think deep deep thoughts? They sound like fucking retards. One example = DaddyWaddy.

High IQ people are generally more intelligent in most areas than average people, if they've got a bit of self discipline to go with it. This includes academic areas, art, and a lot of other shit.

Hate to say it, but Vince Basile = correct. High IQ = a huge huge advantage to have in life.


And his IQ = between 190 and 210 as he says..

Genius is not equated with high IQ but with having demonstrated exceptional ability in some way.

For some peculiar reason the less gifted seldom accept that the gifted are actually superior to themselves.

Very true. High IQ can predispose you to high achievement given that you put in enough effort, yet certain people have tremendous segment specific talents without ever scoring high on an IQ test. Generally speaking, more brainpower = better results from X amounts of effort.   Edit: This does NOT apply to social skills.

[realkarateblackbelt]

Of course it is. Some people don't like the idea of it because then the question of what to do with low-iq people is immediately brought up. Hitler left a bad taste in everyone's mouth, and now it's taboo to talk about iq.

Do you think this guy has a legit 200 iq Debussey? Listening to him talk live, he doesn't sound like transcripts of him I've read. Some things he says seem just silly. He never demonstrates any uncanny mathematical ability in the video either.

[SAMSON123]

You're kookier than he is...

So you believe this guy is as intelligent as he claims? Provide proof he is? Given his conversation... point out the theories, assumptions, mindset, ideas, rationale that points to someone of superior intelligence? Based on the footage, the guy's a self glorifying social misfit, who has delusions of grandeur based upon a disturbed and violent youth. The fact that his conversation is without IDEAS or the referencing of "HIGHER THOUGHTS" reveals his "thinking" is average if not below average. Notice also that his thoughts are all about the DESTRUCTION OF LIFE and not the advancing, developing, bettering of life.

Lame jobs and a life that has not amounted to much has made him delusional and he dreams of being a "SUPERHERO" with advanced intelligence...I guess he is the FIFTH X MAN. Take a look at the Prometheus society, The MENSA society and the like...they all are secretive societies that for all intents and purposes play no role in society's betterment. They have groups and highly exclusive organizations, but are never referenced  as a source of knowledge, thought, ideas or anything. What good is INTELLIGENCE if it is not being used for anything profitable? Can any of them think of a new energy source? A new way to utilize fuels more efficiently? Can they think of new manufacturing/processing way to manufacture goods without pollution or with greatly reduced pollution. Can they come up with ways to clean up the environment? How about new methods of transportation? 200 MPG cars, trucks and buses? Cure for diseases? Something...? Anything of value that can be used?... Notice that such ideas always come from those who are of only slightly higher intelligence than average...and if the those only slightly higher intelligence can come up with innovative ideas... then why cant these individuals do the same and more?...

BTW...look into the organizations/programs/people/tests I mentioned in this and my other post to see how kooky you are for not knowing they exist....

[HowieW]

No. I'm simply saying that solving the problems quickly on an I.Q. test doesn't necessarily mean you're smart. There are also a lot of reasons why someone who is intelligent could score low on an I.Q test and include dyslexia, learning abilities, reading abilities, even eyesight or cultural circumstances. I.Q. tests have changed little in over 50 years. The fields of neuro science have made great strides in the past 50 years and most I.Q. tests are the same as they always have been.

This guy is legit and is working on the unified field theroy of the universe. IQ tests are a reliable indication of cognitive ability.  Learning disabilities are diagnosed with a full cognitive work up and included in the assessment, etc.

[HowieW]

So you believe this guy is as intelligent as he claims? Provide proof he is? Given his conversation... point out the theories, assumptions, mindset, ideas, rationale that points to someone of superior intelligence? Based on the footage, the guy's a self glorifying social misfit, who has delusions of grandeur based upon a disturbed and violent youth. The fact that his conversation is without IDEAS or the referencing of "HIGHER THOUGHTS" reveals his "thinking" is average if not below average. Notice also that his thoughts are all about the DESTRUCTION OF LIFE and not the advancing, developing, bettering of life.

Lame jobs and a life that has not amounted to much has made him delusional and he dreams of being a "SUPERHERO" with advanced intelligence...I guess he is the FIFTH X MAN. Take a look at the Prometheus society, The MENSA society and the like...they all are secretive societies that for all intents and purposes play no role in society's betterment. They have groups and highly exclusive organizations, but are never referenced  as a source of knowledge, thought, ideas or anything. What good is INTELLIGENCE if it is not being used for anything profitable? Can any of them think of a new energy source? A new way to utilize fuels more efficiently? Can they think of new manufacturing/processing way to manufacture goods without pollution or with greatly reduced pollution. Can they come up with ways to clean up the environment? How about new methods of transportation? 200 MPG cars, trucks and buses? Cure for diseases? Something...? Anything of value that can be used?... Notice that such ideas always come from those who are of only slightly higher intelligence than average...and if the those only slightly higher intelligence can come up with innovative ideas... then why cant these individuals do the same and more?...

BTW...look into the organizations/programs/people/tests I mentioned in this and my other post to see how kooky you are for not knowing they exist....

Einstein wrote his famous 1905 paper on light and relativity working in a swiss patent office as a clerk and had NO REFERENCES!
Newton did his early work in physics walking around his farm in rural England. Great minds are born and can come from anywhere.
Technology is the practical application of science and theory and that often takes lots of $$$$ and organization.  Howard

[warrior_code]

I find it interesting how all brilliant/innovative minds are labeled as insane or deluded by the majority of people, yet turn out to be correct.  It happened to Darwin, Mendel and many more. 

[ali23]

FIRST OF ALL JUST LET ME SAY THAT THIS GUY CREEPED THE HELL OUT OF ME....WHY??? I WAS WAITING ON HIM TO START HIS NEW WORLD ORDER SPEECH AT ANY MOMENT.

His references to population control and elimination of people to a given level is one of the main stays of those involved in the NEW WORLD ORDER mindset. Having to "APPLY" to have children to make sure that you have no diseases or that no one has the "RIGHT" to have children because they want to?

Removing GOD and FAITH from all things and depending totally on supposed intelligence is another of the examples of the FREEMASONS and those dedicated to that new world order nonsense. Since MASONS are die hard SATANIST that last thig they want to promote is GOD and the more they can bury the idea of a GOD the better...

Claiming to know what the world needs in order to be a better place yet be unable or unwilling to give examples of how to accomplish this task is classic NWO mentality...reminds me of those SKULL AND BONES CLOWNS who keep everything a secret, because the methods that they would like to implement to bring the NWO ideas into place would be so draconian and detrimental to the population that it would traumatize the masses and create chaos in the masses....so they gradually implement things a little at a time under the guise of it making society better....YEAH RIGHT!!!

The old CRANIAL SIZE equals higher intelligence argument die years ago when it was found untrue...however going back to the MASONS and thier love of HITLER ressurects this idea. Hitler believed in the notion that a certain cranial size was an indication of intelligence and potential intelligence and if one did not fit within the guidelines of size they were eliminated.

Add to the Mahattan Project other government sponsored programs to mind control and create "IDEAL PEOPLE" in such things as... THE SLEEP ROOM, EWEN CAMERON, MKULTRA, GEORGIA GUIDE STONES, PROJECT ARTICHOKE, KAY GRIGGS, etc and the like and it gets pretty scary.

This guy is no genius and is certainly no smarter than the average JOE...He is a BULLSHITTER though. Someone who I would bet anything belongs to one of those MASONIC lodges and is caught  up in their dementia about CHANGING THE WORLD... His conversation is below average in my opinion, makes no mathematical or scientific references at all...a hallmark of savants is the math science tie in in everything they do and talk about....that is unless they are a musical savant. He claims he left college based on what others were doing...roomates involved in sex, violence etc...then claims it was financial why he left....IF HE WERE SO SMART ANY COLLEGE WOULD HAVE GIVEN HIM A FULL SCHOLARSHIP AND SINCE SAVANTS ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO KEEP SECRET, OTHER COLLEGES WOULD HAVE BEEN CLAMORING TO GET HIM ENROLLED AT THEIR INSTITUTIONS AS WELL....this guy is a complete LIAR....WHAT A JOKE!!!!!! Some one put a bullet in 'em and end his suffering...

i wouldn't be one to talk freak

[SAMSON123]

i wouldn't be one to talk freak

YOU ARE RIGHT...YOU SHOULD NOT TALK

[Special Ed]

author=legbreaker link=topic=147575.msg2066561#msg2066561 date=117877912
I bounced at Summers and CPI in the hamptons NY with him and the guy has ALWAY been known for his brilliance, this is nothing new.

CPI!!! Miss that place. You know my boy John Hickey from The Tavern? PM me.

[tommywishbone]

"...Langan also appeared in one episode of Walker, Texas Ranger..."


 

[dr.chimps]

Or just good at solving I.Q. test problems. Incredibly stupid people probably won't be good at solving I.Q. tests and I guess I.Q. tests are a good way to root out some of the incredibly stupid people, however as intelligence increases I.Q. tests become less reliable. Not that "intelligence" can easily even be adequately defined to begin with. Intelligence is a fairly ambiguous term in academic circles and could mean any number of different things.

Agree. Well said. In my time, I've been fortunate to have met some 'brilliant' men and women, and the one thing that is common to all is a 'humbleness' in regards to 'intelligence' -ie. their search for 'knowledge' is more a means, not an end in itself; it is not finite nor is it easily quantifiable. So hearing about people like this guy should set off alarm bells.   

[the Pure Majestic]

I take it you guys don't run in the intelligence circles, eh?

Chris Langan is widely regarded as an extremely intelligent person.

If you've ever heard of the Mega foundation, you would know who he is.  

Chris has been given MANY IQ tests, by many of the most recognized IQ test creators of all time.  
Board-certified neuropsychologist Dr. Robert Novelly tested Langan's IQ for 20/20, which reported that Langan broke the ceiling of the test.  Dr. Novelly said, Chris is the highest individual that I have ever measured in 25 years of doing this.

His wife Gina also has an incredibily high IQ, and works as a clinical neuropsychologist

His CTMU is a VERY interesting piece of work, and creates some very definite debates on everything from what created god, to why are we here.  

He earned a PERFECT SCORE ON THE SAT, is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design (ISCID), Created the Mega foundation, has published a paper on his CTMU in the society's online journal Progress in Complexity, Information, and Design, presented a lecture on his CTMU at ISCID's Research and Progress in Intelligent Design (RAPID) conference, and contributed a chapter to Uncommon Dissent, an essay collection of works that question Darwinian evolution edited by ISCID cofounder and leading intelligent design proponent William Dembski.  

Langan is no joke.

[realkarateblackbelt]

I thought it was pretty odd how the interviewer asked him why he liked working as a bouncer and he got all defensive. "Why would you assume I like doing this?" It's funny how a guy that is supposedly the smartest man in the world could "breeze through school" yet he gives the impression that he's trapped in a shitty bouncing job that he doesn't like. He's creating a unified theory of the universe, god, and evolution, yet he can't figure out how to escape a lowly blue collar job that admittedly he doesn't like. 

[Disgusted]

You're going to have to be more specific. What all areas of intelligence does "general intelligence" entail? Which would Peek not have?

Kim Peek does not have the ability to reason. He is basically a one dimensional type computer in that he can add and remember large amounts of info but not much else. You might speak to him and believe that you are holding a conversation with him but in fact he is just repeating phrases to questions that he has heard many times before.

[SAMSON123]

Einstein wrote his famous 1905 paper on light and relativity working in a swiss patent office as a clerk and had NO REFERENCES!
Newton did his early work in physics walking around his farm in rural England. Great minds are born and can come from anywhere.
Technology is the practical application of science and theory and that often takes lots of $$$$ and organization.  Howard

I guess yo are not aware of Einsteins FRAUD...There was just recently an documentary on the History Channel about Einstein and the truth about his supposed intelligence. I began searching on line about someo0f the claims made against him on the documentary and lo and behold here is some of what I found....BTW since science is based on the advances others have made before...it is impossible to of ones own come up with a totally NEW theory or idea...and where there is no references...there is FRAUD. Here is some info on individuals like Einstein, Newton, Galileo etc who are considered charlatans.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/einstein.htm
http://canberra.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=features&subclass=science&category=feature&story_id=179892&y=2002&m=9
http://www.catholicintl.com/noncatholicissues/personal_lives.htm

[Disgusted]

This guy is legit and is working on the unified field theroy of the universe. IQ tests are a reliable indication of cognitive ability.  Learning disabilities are diagnosed with a full cognitive work up and included in the assessment, etc.

This is true as far as the test is concerned. I would love to hear his theories on the unified field theory.

[Debussey]

Do you think this guy has a legit 200 iq Debussey?

Absolutely. The Pure Majestic gave the answer to why.

That TV gives no real way to assess his intelligence since it is a basic tv show with easy questions written to give some shock value.

Langan has been tested many times with real tests, as the Pure Majestic writes below.

There is no real way around it, Chris Langans cognitive abilities = mind blowing.

The fact that he lives the life he lives can be explained by his troubled upbringing. Remember, character and emotional factors = the true determining force behind a persons actions, not his intelligence, and even a 200 IQ can not make up for the fact that he was beaten and abused in his childhood. Thus, his persona = still shaped by this.

But he does show glimpses of true brainpower in that video (when he's given the chance to do it), and with all the testing he's been given Debussey believes his 190 - 210 IQ claim, there = no doubt about it.

I take it you guys don't run in the intelligence circles, eh?

Chris Langan is widely regarded as an extremely intelligent person.

If you've ever heard of the Mega foundation, you would know who he is. 

Chris has been given MANY IQ tests, by many of the most recognized IQ test creators of all time. 
Board-certified neuropsychologist Dr. Robert Novelly tested Langan's IQ for 20/20, which reported that Langan broke the ceiling of the test.  Dr. Novelly said, Chris is the highest individual that I have ever measured in 25 years of doing this.

His wife Gina also has an incredibily high IQ, and works as a clinical neuropsychologist

His CTMU is a VERY interesting piece of work, and creates some very definite debates on everything from what created god, to why are we here. 

He earned a PERFECT SCORE ON THE SAT, is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design (ISCID), Created the Mega foundation, has published a paper on his CTMU in the society's online journal Progress in Complexity, Information, and Design, presented a lecture on his CTMU at ISCID's Research and Progress in Intelligent Design (RAPID) conference, and contributed a chapter to Uncommon Dissent, an essay collection of works that question Darwinian evolution edited by ISCID cofounder and leading intelligent design proponent William Dembski. 

Langan is no joke.

The CTMU book from teh home page = teh bomb.


What Debussey finds pretty amazing is the fact that almost EVERYBODY just jumps on his tail and tries to disprove his claims, when the evidence is right there in their faces. Chris mentioned the certified IQ testing in the fucking video, there = no way around it, he's been tested many times. How can people just "shut their minds" when this proof = presented, and then try to disprove his claims based on some statement he made?

It's like people saying: "I don't believe you ever went to the university, because you sound like a fool"..  right after they've seen your diploma.


The truth = simple: Chris Langan and people such as him makes normal people very very insecure, so they try to defend their sense of self worth by doing their best to discredit true genius. Pretty fucking stupid, when they have to neglect real proof right in front of their eyes..

[Debussey]

And to SAMSON123: Have you ever thought about the fact that having an above average intelligence means that you have certain communication needs that normal people often can not help you fulfill?

People very interested in poker needs to communicate with other poker players, people with musical interests needs to communicate and play with other musicians.

People having a Mensa level intelligence can at times be pretty fucking lonely at times, because they live a lot of their life in their own heads with thoughts they can not discuss with normal people.

Thus, high IQ societies = a place where people with a special gift can meet and talk. It's not about being a cocky asshole, it's about having the chance to meet similar to yourself, and there is nothing wrong with that.

[Vince B]

I had a look at that CTMU and wasn't impressed. It is obvious he is not a philosopher but a clever guy using words. It remains to be seen if he will impact on knowledge. If he ventures into ID then he isn't as smart as he thinks he is.

[Jujoshu]

Comparing this guy to Rainman is like comparing apples to oranges. Kim Peek is developmentally slow although he does have a couple of super abilities due to the wiring of his brain. Chris, on the other hand, has no developmental disabilities and is extremely gifted in analytic/left-brained types of reasoning.

Couple of things to clear up. 1.) A person's ego in no way signifies a low intelligence. In other words, a person can be narcissistic and still be a Newton, or a Davinci. IQ is not symbolic of 100% perfection in every facet of life. 2.) A person's financial status or job are also not indicators of intelligence. Many supremely intelligent people have chosen to live based on simplicity or other esoteric principles pertaining to spirituality. It appears this man had something of a troubled past but he has chosen his spot right now. He wants to live as he does, and I don't have any doubts if he wanted to he could be a professor at a university or whatever. However, it's kind of hard to go back to school for a degree when you already know more than the instructors.

[legbreaker]

I had a look at that CTMU and wasn't impressed. It is obvious he is not a philosopher but a clever guy using words. It remains to be seen if he will impact on knowledge. If he ventures into ID then he isn't as smart as he thinks he is.

hahahaha, and coming from you that means......NOTHING.

Do you simply understand, Chris is recognized by the most brilliant people in the world.  This is NOTHING new, he has been among these circles for a while now.

Chris not enjoying his job, at least while I was there, is surprise to me because he had a great time and was very well liked by all his co workers.

He was/is a simple man...even the gym he trained at, 7 seas, was just a hole in the wall place with broken pipes and he was that strong as well.

Hey Special Ed,,,  I know a Dennis Hickey, and I think I know of John...did he have a tv show or something  Do ya know Greg and Mike M---?  I don't want to mention last names here....  Chris goes to his house every big holiday. 

[Palpatine Q]

I'll simplify this to a boring old cliche

People think if you are big and strong you are automatically stupid.   

If chris looked like a pocket protector wearing twunt no one would say boo.  just another braniac

I know what of I speak, i was tested at 147 and every time i am in mixed company and talk about something a little metaphysical or abstract, they look at me like I have three heads.

[the Pure Majestic]

The thing that people don't understand is how the "severly gifted" can struggle to converse with normal people. 

The average person has an IQ of 100.  A mentally handicapped person has an IQ of 70. 
A normal person has a difficult time understanding what a retard will comprehend, and accept in conversations. 
That is an IQ difference of 30. 

People like Chris Langan, Kevin Langdon, Nathan from IHIQS, and others above the 165 IQ mark are as much as 100 IQ points above the average person. 


It has been said that only those with IQs over 165 have the ability for "new thought."  The rest of us are just working through thought that is already here.  It is the rare mind that can create "new thought."

It is these rare minds that have been ostracized throughout history, and on some level, continue to be today. 

The truth is that these extreme ends of the bell curve are the only people who truly have a basis to be the yardstick for morals, as comprehension of what is moral is in proportion with one's level of intelligence. 

Unfortunately the "moral guidelines" of societies throughout history have only fought against these minds. 

The CTMU is an astounding piece of work....from what I've been told....because the truth of the matter is that neither I, Vince Basille, or the vast majority of humans have the cognitive ability to truly understand what it says.