2007 New York Pro - Wolf should have beat Warren!

[Dballn247]

Seriously your analysis sucks. Branch lacks balance AND is gross. Balance isn't entirely subjective; he doesn't have it. He is very very noticably incomplete.

Wolf doesn't have any of these issues and has more upper body size to go with good balance and lines. Warren has zero flow.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but it seems that the judges agree that Branch should have won.  I bet you think Wolf should have placed higher than DJ too.  You are blinded by an injury.  The muscle maturity exhibited by Branch or DJ just isn't there for Wolf.  It's going to take him a couple of years.  Go back and look at the pics and/or video.  You can see the difference.  It's kind of obvious.

[Camel Jockey]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but it seems that the judges agree that Branch should have won.  I bet you think Wolf should have placed higher than DJ too.  You are blinded by an injury.  The muscle maturity exhibited by Branch or DJ just isn't there for Wolf.  It's going to take him a couple of years.  Go back and look at the pics and/or video.  You can see the difference.  It's kind of obvious.

So called experts like yourself are what's wrong with bodybuilding. Your standards are out of whack and should be seriously revised. 

[The Squadfather]

So called experts like yourself are what's wrong with bodybuilding. Your standards are out of whack and should be seriously revised. 

CJ i understand where you're coming from on Wolf, the guy has an absolutely awesome build but seriously go and look at the comparison shots next to Branch and you'll see me and Dballin are right, the only shot Wolf beats Branch on is Fr. lat spread.

[Camel Jockey]

CJ i understand where you're coming from on Wolf, the guy has an absolutely awesome build but seriously go and look at the comparison shots next to Branch and you'll see me and Dballin are right, the only shot Wolf beats Branch on is Fr. lat spread.

Man I am still angry about Wolf losing.. The guy should be the poster child of bbing that Gunter was supposed to be. Wolf has nice quads, huge upper body and a small waist.. I just can't look past asthetics and look at muscular proportioning. Maybe I do not understand modern pro bbing.

[Dballn247]

So called experts like yourself are what's wrong with bodybuilding. Your standards are out of whack and should be seriously revised. 

It's not a contest to see who has the best lines.  The current judging criteria is mass per sq inch.  And Branch had more of it.  I agree Wolf has way better lines and symetry, he will be great in the future if he can get his calves up. 

[The Squadfather]

Man I am still angry about Wolf losing.. The guy should be the poster child of bbing that Gunter was supposed to be. Wolf has nice quads, huge upper body and a small waist.. I just can't look past asthetics and look at muscular proportioning. Maybe I do not understand modern pro bbing.

i've come to the conclusion that it's the biggest freakiest guy WITH AT LEAST HALFWAY DECENT SHAPE who wins, let's face it they're not going to give the Spanish refridgerator Paco Bautista a title because he just looks ridiculous but i have no problem at all giving a title to Branch, Jay, Markus or Gustavo, in other words big thick dudes with at least decent enough shape not to make the title look like a joke.

[bigdumbbell]

dennis wolf needs to work on the green hair.

[tweeter]

Wolf's calves really aren't that bad; the definition is pretty good they just aren't overly huge.

[Alpine]

Every time I see Branch I think one thing: A Body pushed to the edge.

Its definately freaky but I wonder if he has the genetics of Jay and Ronnie that will allow him to hold out....

[Bodies]

All the pics that were posted above are not direct comparison pics.  All the ones of Branch are zoomed in so you cannott see how short he is by comparison.....it makes a BIG difference visually.

[Theoak*]

Damn Warren looks like he is going to drop dead any minute.

[phyxsius]

hahahahaha, he may be ugly but the dude has some thick ass arms and legs.

he has short arms and freakin wide waist.. What are you talking about?

[Dballn247]

All the pics that were posted above are not direct comparison pics.  All the ones of Branch are zoomed in so you cannott see how short he is by comparison.....it makes a BIG difference visually.

Open the pics up on your computer make them the same size and you can not discredit that branch is more dense, had fuller calves, his only real weakness was his front lat spread, the torn lat is barely noticable at this show even in rear double bicep poses.  It is too easy to be blinded by Bias, but Wolf Still has some work to do, though he shouldn't fcuk with his waist.

he has short arms and freakin wide waist.. What are you talking about?

Aside fromt he wide waist and short limbs, he is saying that they are THICK, as in if you took a measuring tape to guage the circumference.  Paco is one of the freaks out there.  Not pretty but a muscular freak.

Branch is also very muscular, hence the win.  It is no secret that his lines are not as good as Wolfs.  However, Branch is not void of lines they just play second fiddle to the mass that he carries.  Lines really matter to smaller BB without size.   Regardless of whether you are from the "Lines" or "Mass" camp you better all bring conditioning. 

Branch had the Mass, symetry, and conditioning.  For Wolf's height, to have the same Density possessed by Branch in this outing he would have had to have had the mass of Gunther to be on par(under current judging criteria). 

Bottom line Branch won, get over it.  More show's ahead, no use crying over spilled milk.

[omg]

i've come to the conclusion that it's the biggest freakiest guy WITH AT LEAST HALFWAY DECENT SHAPE who wins, let's face it they're not going to give the Spanish refridgerator Paco Bautista a title because he just looks ridiculous but i have no problem at all giving a title to Branch, Jay, Markus or Gustavo, in other words big thick dudes with at least decent enough shape not to make the title look like a joke.

out of your 50k posts, i only agree with this one

[APlusPhotoShoots]

Hey Lift Studio's .... stick to building web sites .... please don't judge physiques ...... You make good web sites , but when it comes to judging you have no clue when it comes to bodybuilding ..... then again I think the girl shows ( fitness and figure ) are your thing !!!

[njflex]

Open the pics up on your computer make them the same size and you can not discredit that branch is more dense, had fuller calves, his only real weakness was his front lat spread, the torn lat is barely noticable at this show even in rear double bicep poses.  It is too easy to be blinded by Bias, but Wolf Still has some work to do, though he shouldn't fcuk with his waist.


Aside fromt he wide waist and short limbs, he is saying that they are THICK, as in if you took a measuring tape to guage the circumference.  Paco is one of the freaks out there.  Not pretty but a muscular freak.

Branch is also very muscular, hence the win.  It is no secret that his lines are not as good as Wolfs.  However, Branch is not void of lines they just play second fiddle to the mass that he carries.  Lines really matter to smaller BB without size.   Regardless of whether you are from the "Lines" or "Mass" camp you better all bring conditioning. 

Branch had the Mass, symetry, and conditioning.  For Wolf's height, to have the same Density possessed by Branch in this outing he would have had to have had the mass of Gunther to be on par(under current judging criteria). 

Bottom line Branch won, get over it.  More show's ahead, no use crying over spilled milk.

every inch of warren has mass no spaces,and this time around was very conditioned,wolf is huge but by the tough criteria actually has to fill out more,yes very hard to believe but true.thats modern bbing..

[The Squadfather]

Hey Lift Studio's .... stick to building web sites .... please don't judge physiques ...... You make good web sites , but when it comes to judging you have no clue when it comes to bodybuilding ..... then again I think the girl shows ( fitness and figure ) are your thing !!!

hahahahahahah, ok "aplusphotoshoots"

[HowieW]

"symmetry, proportions, flow, perfect lines, posing"

At the end of the day it's a MUSCLE contest. I like Wolf's phsyique but when you compare the two in those pics Branch takes Dennis to muscle camp.

My thoughts EXACTLY Issac! It is the classic battle begin a big , ripped massive man with incredible muscularity vs a sleeker more shapely, ripped physique. I prefer Wolf as he had more than enough mass to win, with a more pleasing physique. However, be reminded  that like it or not the trend in modern elite level bodybuilding is  sheer mass.
Give Mr Warren his due  and look at those legs...yikes!

[natural al]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but it seems that the judges agree that Branch should have won.  I bet you think Wolf should have placed higher than DJ too.  You are blinded by an injury.  The muscle maturity exhibited by Branch or DJ just isn't there for Wolf.  It's going to take him a couple of years.  Go back and look at the pics and/or video.  You can see the difference.  It's kind of obvious.

an injury is an injury regardless, it does play a factor.  the imbalance between his upper and lowerbody should play a factor, his lack of seperation should, his horrible skin tone, his barrel waist..everything should play a factor.  There is no way anyone will ever convince me that a guy should win a high level pro show with all of that working agiants him but he has muscle maturity.  No way, no how.  What happened to big, defined proportionate guys winning shows?  I can post pics of guys from 15-20 years ago that destroy Branch.  What standard is he meeting that defines him the winner by IFBB rules?

I don't get it.

[HUGEPECS]

isn't top 3  at the NEW YORK PRO Qualify for the Olympia?

[HowieW]

It's not a contest to see who has the best lines.  The current judging criteria is mass per sq inch.  And Branch had more of it.  I agree Wolf has way better lines and symetry, he will be great in the future if he can get his calves up. 

If you read the actual WRITTEN and established judging criteria of the NPC ad IFBB it is clear that the winner should be the best represenation of an EQUAL combination of symmetry, shape, mass, hardness/conditioning, muscularity and overall presentation. I am currently an NPC amatuer judge with many years of experience, even judged the ol' AAU Mr America (now no more) and have come to realize you have two sets of rules in this sport:
1. The written ones    2. The actual "UNDERSTOOD" rules/expected standards of the judges, bodybuilders and fans.
In any judged sport there is this "effect".

It is also very ironic how the IFBB pro div has a 47 pg section on doping control (drug testing) and lists all the steroids and related drugs as against the established rules . The idea that pro bodybuilding is even close to drug tested is laughable at best.

I have come to accept the sport for what it actually is and simply enjoy it.
Howard

[3Dkiller]

wolf needs to bring his calves, and branch warren had no biceps his arms are looking small .. Dennis James Quads looked very soft from the front and his gut was huge he had some hard time to hold it.
To bad the online Quality cast video wasn't really sharp to see all those details.
the commentary from Bob and Soloman was good and fun to listen they are profs.

[HUGEPECS]

The New york Pro looks like a fcuking Amateur show, no thrills, no excitment. I guess when the name changed from '' NIGHT OF CHAMPIONS" to this, Demilia took all the excitments back with Him..lol. I thought when this show became the New york Pro, it was gonna be only a name change and new promotions, I guess I was wrong.

[Dballn247]

an injury is an injury regardless, it does play a factor.  the imbalance between his upper and lowerbody should play a factor, his lack of seperation should, his horrible skin tone, his barrel waist..everything should play a factor.  There is no way anyone will ever convince me that a guy should win a high level pro show with all of that working agiants him but he has muscle maturity.  No way, no how.  What happened to big, defined proportionate guys winning shows?  I can post pics of guys from 15-20 years ago that destroy Branch.  What standard is he meeting that defines him the winner by IFBB rules?

I don't get it.

You seem to have a hard time understanding me.  It is the guy with the most mass and decent lines that will win the show.  You can have the greatest shape but if you have wholes in your physique you aren't going to win.  Aside from the Lat tear (only noticable in a few poses) Branch was most complete.  You may argue that there was an imbalance from upper body to lower body.  But every single muscle on Branch was filled to it's maximum potential where with Wolf it is not.

Until wolf can have an evenly developed physique he will continue to place outside of the top two.  He is an awesome competitor, his third place (over Silvio) even with his flaws indicates that he is a force to be reckoned with.  There is great things in his future, but unless he can do them really quick, it's not going to happen in 07.

If you read the actual WRITTEN and established judging criteria of the NPC ad IFBB it is clear that the winner should be the best represenation of an EQUAL combination of symmetry, shape, mass, hardness/conditioning, muscularity and overall presentation. I am currently an NPC amatuer judge with many years of experience, even judged the ol' AAU Mr America (now no more) and have come to realize you have two sets of rules in this sport:
1. The written ones    2. The actual "UNDERSTOOD" rules/expected standards of the judges, bodybuilders and fans.
In any judged sport there is this "effect".

It is also very ironic how the IFBB pro div has a 47 pg section on doping control (drug testing) and lists all the steroids and related drugs as against the established rules . The idea that pro bodybuilding is even close to drug tested is laughable at best.

I have come to accept the sport for what it actually is and simply enjoy it.
Howard

What I was getting at was the spoken rules.  The most mass with lines and conditioning wins.  BB has far moved away from the days where an aesthetic physique would outplace a massive physique.  Todays BB is 1st jusdged on mass, then who has the best lines of the massive guys, and of those the one with the best conditioning.  They simply tell the littleguys to put on more weight and try again next year.  I know because I have been told this.

[pumpster]

You seem to have a hard time understanding me.  It is the guy with the most mass and decent lines that will win the show.  You can have the greatest shape but if you have wholes in your physique you aren't going to win.  Aside from the Lat tear (only noticable in a few poses) Branch was most complete.  You may argue that there was an imbalance from upper body to lower body.  But every single muscle on Branch was filled to it's maximum potential where with Wolf it is not.

The whole thought process is off IMO. Branch wasn't at all "complete" with or without injury - you CAN'T be complete with an upper body too small for the legs, thighs too big for the calves, arms too small for the torso. These are major imbalances that are the opposite of complete; logic about "every muscle brought to max. potential" doesn't address that.

As far as your mass argument, Wolf was bigger in the upper body. Thighs had very good size, only the calves were an issue.