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It's kind of interesting that some of us GetBiggers blame Wolf's loss at the NY Pro to his association with Milos; and as a result this was one way for the IFBB to get hard on Milos. If a frontal assult won't work, attack from a different direction and hope for a victory with the element of SURPRISE.
I'm not much of a believer in Conspiracy Theories and most of us don't even know if there was an association between Milos and Wolf prior to the NY Pro but it could be possible to "prove" that a conspiracy theory exists by forecasting one in advance with some sort of accuracy.
If you could accuractely predict a conspiratorial act before it had the chance to happen and do so accurately over a few occurances; then you just might be able to prove to one and all that a "conspiracy" is in play.
So instead of claiming "conspiracy" after the fact, it would be best to forcast the "conspiratorial act" before it happened.
This can best be done by ajusting your mindset to that of an official who was out to get Milos and do what was necessary to put him out of comission so to speak.
What would you do and how would you do it?
Forecast the next step precisely and if you are right more than a couple of times, I just might start believing in conspiracy theories.
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2007, 10:18:22 AM » |
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most of us don't even know if there was an association between Milos and Wolf prior to the NY Pro Your theory is based upon a faulty premise. Milos has been training, photographing, hyping, and publicly backing/backed by Luke for several months now. Please rework your thesis and we'll talk about it then. |
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2007, 10:20:18 AM » |
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Your theory is based upon a faulty premise.
Milos has been training, photographing, hyping, and publicly backing/backed by Luke for several months now.
Please rework your thesis and we'll talk about it then.
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2007, 10:21:10 AM » |
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It's kind of interesting that some of us GetBiggers blame Wolf's loss at the NY Pro to his association with Milos; and as a result this was one way for the IFBB to get hard on Milos. If a frontal assult won't work, attack from a different direction and hope for a victory with the element of SURPRISE.
I'm not much of a believer in Conspiracy Theories and most of us don't even know if there was an association between Milos and Wolf prior to the NY Pro but it could be possible to "prove" that a conspiracy theory exists by forecasting one in advance with some sort of accuracy.
If you could accuractely predict a conspiratorial act before it had the chance to happen and do so accurately over a few occurances; then you just might be able to prove to one and all that a "conspiracy" is in play.
So instead of claiming "conspiracy" after the fact, it would be best to forcast the "conspiratorial act" before it happened.
This can best be done by ajusting your mindset to that of an official who was out to get Milos and do what was necessary to put him out of comission so to speak.
What would you do and how would you do it?
Forecast the next step precisely and if you are right more than a couple of times, I just might start believing in conspiracy theories.
Wolf got screwed, period. The "conspiracy theories" are merely an attempt to explain why he got screwed. Who knows if they're right or not, but it doesn't change the fact that he got screwed. |
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2007, 10:33:19 AM » |
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Yep, Rob knows these things.........he's a CT expert ! j/k I understand that some historical events are engineered and sold as something other than they are, for the greater good of the group, and for the personal gain of those running them for their trouble. If there was any organized group effort to screw Wolf, we'd have to see 1) Who benefits, 2) Who has power to conduct is 3) Who stifles any investigation, and 4) Does this in any way serve the greater good? 1) Who would benefit? Those who Milos offended of course. 2) Who has the power to make this happen? The judges. 3) There will be no inevstigation. Not even a narrative. 4) Does this serve the greater good? If you are the IFBB, yes. Milos is on your naughty list, and everyone in the bodybuilding world just saw his guys (SS & LW) get an unfair shake. If the perception alone is achieved (that working with anyone on the IFBB naughty list costs one prize money) then they have achieved success here. Wolf was the most complete man onstage, but DJ and BW had more muscle. In the subjective beauty pageant that is bodybuilding, it's very hard to evaluate things for shakiness unless it's blatent. Finally, if I ran an org and I had the opportunity to squash a guy associated with a guy on my naughty list, I'd do the same, as my goal is the maximum value of my org for my shareholders - and the perception that crossing rules costs you money is one I, as a CEO, would love for the industry to possess. And 1. |
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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2007, 11:18:42 AM » |
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Man its so obvious if you look at the bigger picture,
This is the official list of the NY Pro judges:
1) Oscar Wiesental a son of an German war refugee who fled the Nazis back in 1941 and later immigrated to Israel, Oscar was born in Israel but made his diploma in America, married a American woman who's...wait for it...uncle was Daniel F. Bush a distant relative of the Bush Clan.
2) George McClure who is if you look closer a long time member of the Latrimuna a group that has very tight relationships with the Stone masons.
3) Karl L. Heyden who *OMG* studied side by side with our latest President G.W.Bush. you see the connection?
4) Lisa D Doubleyou a late child of the famous Donald L. Doubleyou founder of the Crossoverprincple a Probability system for the US Military.
There is more but I don't want to boggle your minds...
In my mind it's crystal clear that dark and shady elements have their hand in the bad placing of Wolf.
Discuss...
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2007, 11:22:08 AM » |
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Man its so obvious if you look at the bigger picture,
This is the official list of the NY Pro judges:
1) Oscar Wiesental a son of an German war refugee who fled the Nazis back in 1941 and later immigrated to Israel, Oscar was born in Israel but made his diploma in America, married a American woman who's...wait for it...uncle was Daniel F. Bush a distant relative of the Bush Clan.
2) George McClure who is if you look closer a long time member of the Latrimuna a group that has very tight relationships with the Stone masons.
3) Karl L. Heyden who *OMG* studied side by side with our latest President G.W.Bush. you see the connection?
4) Lisa D Doubleyou a late child of the famous Donald L. Doubleyou founder of the Crossoverprincple a Probability system for the US Military.
There is more but I don't want to boggle your minds...
In my mind it's crystal clear that dark and shady elements have their hand in the bad placing of Wolf.
Discuss...
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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2007, 12:47:09 PM » |
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while you are at it:
1) where is Jimmy Hoffa?
2) are aliens among us?
3) is Bigfoot real?
4) who shot Kennedy?
5) was Marilyn Monroe murdered?
Lets get all the conspiracy theories solved once and for all!!! LMAO
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2007, 12:53:01 PM » |
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I like the op's train of thought. It's going to run off the tracks one day, but it will be fun to watch.
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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2007, 01:00:23 PM » |
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I like the op's train of thought. It's going to run off the tracks one day, but it will be fun to watch. hahhahah |
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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2007, 01:02:56 PM » |
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you're putting alot of stress on your brain dude..you're getting retarded day by day Do you have anything to offer other than more whiny bitching? Try a workout once in a while, work your way up from 160 lb. |
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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2007, 01:04:50 PM » |
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Do you have anything to offer other than more whiny bitching? Try a workout once in a while, work your way up from 160 lb.
hahaha you got the nerve to say that to me when you're working out 24/7 on your bow flex  ..you must be lifting some kick ass weight on that toy of yours |
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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2007, 01:05:07 PM » |
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Do you have anything to offer other than more whiny bitching? Try a workout once in a while, work your way up from 160 lb.
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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2007, 01:45:40 PM » |
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Man its so obvious if you look at the bigger picture,
This is the official list of the NY Pro judges:
1) Oscar Wiesental a son of an German war refugee who fled the Nazis back in 1941 and later immigrated to Israel, Oscar was born in Israel but made his diploma in America, married a American woman who's...wait for it...uncle was Daniel F. Bush a distant relative of the Bush Clan.
2) George McClure who is if you look closer a long time member of the Latrimuna a group that has very tight relationships with the Stone masons.
3) Karl L. Heyden who *OMG* studied side by side with our latest President G.W.Bush. you see the connection?
4) Lisa D Doubleyou a late child of the famous Donald L. Doubleyou founder of the Crossoverprincple a Probability system for the US Military.
There is more but I don't want to boggle your minds...
In my mind it's crystal clear that dark and shady elements have their hand in the bad placing of Wolf.
Discuss...
So your saying this is Bush's fault ? |
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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2007, 02:10:22 PM » |
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So, did Paul McCartney really die in 1965 and get replaced by a look and sound alkike? It's a question that's plagued my mind since childhood.
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« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2007, 03:22:34 PM » |
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The news in the gyms in Dublin is that Shadow has never been the same since being abducted by aliens and subjected to experiments involving rectal probing. Read his posts carefully. Do you see the pattern?
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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2007, 04:38:09 PM » |
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Dennis Wolf is now my favorite bb.
The guy just has an awesome physique! Huge delts and arms, but he needs to bring up his wheels and lower back.
DW was double screwed! He not only beat Branch but also DJ!
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« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2007, 04:51:57 PM » |
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This was extremely ridiculous, but Wolf will only get better just like he did this year until they cannot deny his greatness...The fuckin judges need to stick to what they say on criteria though...We have a damn fridge for Mr.O right now...When will it stop...
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« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2007, 12:40:31 AM » |
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HAHAH I see it...I see it i only thing you see everyday is a cock tearing up your asshole |
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« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2007, 04:20:21 AM » |
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Dennis Wolf is now my favorite bb.
The guy just has an awesome physique! Huge delts and arms, but he needs to bring up his wheels and lower back.
DW was double screwed! He not only beat Branch but also DJ!
So many think the same way now... |
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« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2007, 07:09:25 AM » |
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I understand that some historical events are engineered and sold as something other than they are, for the greater good of the group, and for the personal gain of those running them for their trouble. If there was any organized group effort to screw Wolf, we'd have to see 1) Who benefits, 2) Who has power to conduct is 3) Who stifles any investigation, and 4) Does this in any way serve the greater good? 1) Who would benefit? Those who Milos offended of course. 2) Who has the power to make this happen? The judges. 3) There will be no inevstigation. Not even a narrative. 4) Does this serve the greater good? If you are the IFBB, yes. Milos is on your naughty list, and everyone in the bodybuilding world just saw his guys (SS & LW) get an unfair shake. If the perception alone is achieved (that working with anyone on the IFBB naughty list costs one prize money) then they have achieved success here. Wolf was the most complete man onstage, but DJ and BW had more muscle. In the subjective beauty pageant that is bodybuilding, it's very hard to evaluate things for shakiness unless it's blatent. Finally, if I ran an org and I had the opportunity to squash a guy associated with a guy on my naughty list, I'd do the same, as my goal is the maximum value of my org for my shareholders - and the perception that crossing rules costs you money is one I, as a CEO, would love for the industry to possess. Bump for the truth. |
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« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2007, 07:13:11 AM » |
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can you imagine the gall of these judges to award the title of a contest to the man with the most muscle and the best condition in the show? who do they think they are. |
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« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2007, 07:54:22 AM » |
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I will only say this: I was treated with utmost respect from everyone involved in the show. Big Steve was MORE than accommodating and he gave me and my wife Milamar VIP treatment from the very beginning - until the very end of the show. Actually, even during my "IFBB hearing" Steve was BEYOND nice...and he invited me to attend his show... I asked him for a press pass (and I must mention that he gave me a press pass seat even LAST YEAR) and he told me - no problem... He arranged two of the possibly best seats in the house for both prejudging and the finals - which I took advantage off to take great photos I am about to post on my website... Also, I had access everywhere...back stage...pump-up room...Everywhere...(Milamar also). My athletes were also treated very nicely - and ALL plan to come back next year...off course... Jim Manion and I also had very good and open discussion...and Jim knows very well that I have ONLY THE BEST INTEREST for the IFBB... I am fully cooperating and I actually believe that some very good things might happen in the IFBB in the very near future... So, conspiracy theories etc...is only that...Bodybuilding is subjective sport and off course many times we would hear the "opinions"...and certainly some of you would want to believe that the athletes "working with me" would be punished... Interestingly - none of them think that way...and certainly I don't think that way either... As far as contest results goes...I was hoping that my team would "clean the house" taking 1-2-3...and to tell you the truth if that did happen - I don't think many would complain...However, it didn't...and we move on... Next show is yet another chance... Congratulations to Branch....I am happy for him. He is wonderful guy and he needed this victory to "get back" in the circle... Also, congratulations to Desmond...Making the Olympia cut in his first outing is not an easy task to do...and not too many pros could say they qualified for the Olympia in their pro debut... I must also mention Kai Greene whom I was impressed the most - as he was simply SPECTACULAR...and I wish he got what he certainly deserved - Olympia qualification....but even though he didn't - I am sure he made a lot of people aware of his limitless potential. His conditioning was the best in the show...his performance just extraordinary... Judges did recognize him and awarded him with 6th place (top five in the evening show)...and I only hope he would manage to qualify for the O in the next few shows... As far as DJ...yes he was very disappointed...He needed a victory here in States...and he was never closer than this time...Convincingly leading after the prejudging and still leading after the third round....just to loose the title at the end - is devastating...and I do feel for him. Other Dennis (Wolf) is beyond happy with making the top three and establishing himself as the guy who CAN GO ALL THE WAY and you all know what that means. He could have also taken the show very easily - and many experts would agree with it... What is the most important - he is NOTICED and I believe he will never be overlooked again (like he was last year...) Last but not least - Silvio managed AGAIN to make the posedown (he "qualified" for the Olympia in each show he entered this year...which is beyond respectful especially considering that he became the IFBB pro a year ago...) He also could have placed higher...but little distraction (of other kind) took the best out of him...yet he was still happy with his performance... Watch for him in the next few shows (yes, he is doing just about EVERY SHOW that is on the IFBB list...AS HE IS ALWAYS IN CONTEST SHAPE...) So there you have it... |
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« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2007, 03:11:43 PM » |
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I understand that some historical events are engineered and sold as something other than they are, for the greater good of the group, and for the personal gain of those running them for their trouble. If there was any organized group effort to screw Wolf, we'd have to see 1) Who benefits, 2) Who has power to conduct is 3) Who stifles any investigation, and 4) Does this in any way serve the greater good? 1) Who would benefit? Those who Milos offended of course. 2) Who has the power to make this happen? The judges. 3) There will be no inevstigation. Not even a narrative. 4) Does this serve the greater good? If you are the IFBB, yes. Milos is on your naughty list, and everyone in the bodybuilding world just saw his guys (SS & LW) get an unfair shake. If the perception alone is achieved (that working with anyone on the IFBB naughty list costs one prize money) then they have achieved success here. Wolf was the most complete man onstage, but DJ and BW had more muscle. In the subjective beauty pageant that is bodybuilding, it's very hard to evaluate things for shakiness unless it's blatent. Finally, if I ran an org and I had the opportunity to squash a guy associated with a guy on my naughty list, I'd do the same, as my goal is the maximum value of my org for my shareholders - and the perception that crossing rules costs you money is one I, as a CEO, would love for the industry to possess. And 1. Let help you cause you basing your theory on a faulty premise for sure. 1) Who would benefit? Those who Milos offended of course. It not who would benefit, but rather than who would suffer. If the IFBB could make it so anyone who Milos trains doesn't ever win a show, then sooner or later Milos is NOT going to have may top competitors as clients.
2) Who has the power to make this happen? The judges. The judges do what they are told. It just so happens Manion is the person who tells them. Was he at this show. Yes he was I bet. Why is it that Manion does the callouts (or at least instructs someone to do them) when he doesn't even judge.
3) There will be no inevstigation. Not even a narrative. You are correct sir!
4) Does this serve the greater good? If you are the IFBB, yes. Milos is on your naughty list, and everyone in the bodybuilding world just saw his guys (SS & LW) get an unfair shake. If the perception alone is achieved (that working with anyone on the IFBB naughty list costs one prize money) then they have achieved success here. The greater good is the IFBB according to them. If anyone rocks the boat the IFBB will either get rid of them or make it undesirable to be around. WHen Manion was elected President of the NPC, it was not the understanding of anyone that it would be a lifetime nomination. Now he is the IFBB head honcho. It seems that all the officials are self appointed and not voted into office. For many years these people have lived off the hard work of BB's and no way in hell would they want to give that up. Manion travels around the world at the expense of the promoters. He takes advantage of this. You want to hear how much Manion cares about his members, instead of being able to raise the prize money for the Olympia he (Manion) would eat up profits by bringing his family to Vegas, put them up at the Mandalay Bay with all expenses paid which equaled over $40,000 in one week. Instead of being able to give this money out as additional prize money it had to be used to pay stupid bills. Bet he don't do that anymore now that its there money being used. He is a scumbag.See how long this last here. Someone quote it |
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« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2007, 03:15:47 PM » |
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Grab some food and let it go Keith.
Still planning on attending the Olympia this year like you've mentioned repeatedly?
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