IFBB ethical/moral Code Of Conduct?

[240 is Back]

Different circumstances may lead to different results...multiple infractions will always be treated more harsh than a one time infraction...this is the way it's done at every level, at every company, and at every workplace...being non-profit is here nor there.

okay. I definitely don't know the law about it.  My thinking is that if I got arrested for drugs and my boss didn't fire me for breaking the company stated rules on ethics, but my co-worker was 3 minutes late for the third time, and got fired... he might have something actionable.  I could be wrong tho.

[timfogarty]

you wouldn't have any knowledge either way, would you?

indictments are enough.   receiving of packages is enough.

[Lee_a_priest]

Not sure why, but I been thinking...  Is there an existing "Code of Conduct" (for lack of a better name) for IFBB athletes?  Seems to me it would be a solution to at least some of the issues that plague or reflect poorly on the "sport".   Encouraging or requiring athletes and judges to behave in a manner that is in fact "Professional".  I understand that everyone has a different idea of what constitutes morality/professionalism...some might even argue that bodybuilding in and off itself is the antithesis of the aforementioned terms.   We could start with some broad generalities 
- recreational drug use or abuse = suspension or fine
- drug trafficking = suspension
- Spouse abuse = fine
- Pornography of anykind = fine or suspension
- G4P = suspension or fine
- Etc.
Holding "athletes"/representatives accountable for their actions by directly impacting their ability to compete or make money in the sport seems like a relatively easy solution to problems that are driving bodybuilding into an early grave.  I have only seen fines/suspensions imposed in recent years when it comes to contract violations or participating in a competitive federation's event in some capacity. 

I dont know....call me crazy...just seems to make sense to me.

Thoughts?

JD

AS BOB SAYS THERE IS ONE FOR ATHLETES AND OFFICIALS....BUT IT IS NEVER HELD TO...THEY DONT DO SHIT ABOUT THE RULES OR CONDUCT...ONLY IF YOU COMPETE ELSEWHERE

[Lee_a_priest]

14. to conduct ourselves at all times in a manner that
     reflects positively upon the image of the sport and the
     IFBB.


JEE NONE DOING THAT NOW..........THAT ONE IS JUST FUNNY....HIT HALF THE GUYS ARE DOING SHIT THAT DOSENT REFLECT A POSITIVE IMAGE FOR THE IFBB.....

LIKE I HAVE SAID THROW THAT RULE BOOK AWAY IT IS BULLSHIT......AND CODE OF CONDUCT FUCK ME WHAT A JOKE......LOOK AT HALF THE OFFICIALS AT SOME OF THESE SHOWS.....FUCKIN CONDUCT YEAH RIGHT...PLEASE BOB...COME ON DONT BE AN IFBB ASS ALL YOUR LIFE...

[Chick]

indictments are enough.   receiving of packages is enough.

Anyone can be indicted, anyone can have charges brought up against them, anyone can be sued....hope you wouldn't be on any jury of mine..! Guilty before charged, right?

[Lee_a_priest]

Anyone can be indicted, anyone can have charges brought up against them, anyone can be sued....hope you wouldn't be on any jury of mine..! Guilty before charged, right?

NO YOU COULD BE SUSPENDED TILL CHARGES ARE CLEARED AND FOUND NOT GUILTY......THAT HAPPENS ALOT....

[Chick]

okay. I definitely don't know the law about it.  My thinking is that if I got arrested for drugs and my boss didn't fire me for breaking the company stated rules on ethics, but my co-worker was 3 minutes late for the third time, and got fired... he might have something actionable.  I could be wrong tho.

Well...I do know a little something of the law. There is a reason there are different levels of breaking the law. Misdemeanor, felony, disrupting the law, traffic infraction, etc...

There are different infractions for lets say...littering, than lets say...arson. And yes, as a first time offender, you are given a different look than a multiple felon who had  history and record.

[timfogarty]

Anyone can be indicted, anyone can have charges brought up against them, anyone can be sued....hope you wouldn't be on any jury of mine..! Guilty before charged, right?

we are not talking about a court of law.  we are talking about employer-employee relationships or about business contracts.

If a package containing $347,000 of controlled substances were delivered to me or my spouse, I'd be out of a job real quick, even if a jury later found me not guilty on a technicality.

[Chick]

NO YOU COULD BE SUSPENDED TILL CHARGES ARE CLEARED AND FOUND NOT GUILTY......THAT HAPPENS ALOT....

Could be...no question about it. Doesn't mean the "offender" has done anything actionable by the federation.

Shouls Milos have been suspended for having charges against him? Ultimately, not much happened and no admission of guilt was ever indicated...should he have been suspended? Of course not.

You yourself Lee, broke the code of conduct many times...anything ever happen as a result? A few etters of apology, a written warning or two? Just like anyone else....

[240 is Back]

Well...I do know a little something of the law. There is a reason there are different levels of breaking the law. Misdemeanor, felony, disrupting the law, traffic infraction, etc...

There are different infractions for lets say...littering, than lets say...arson. And yes, as a first time offender, you are given a different look than a multiple felon who had  history and record.

You make a good point.

Okay - is the severity based upon 1) Damage to the IFBB, or 2) Damage to society?

[Chick]

we are not talking about a court of law.  we are talking about employer-employee relationships or about business contracts.

If a package containing $347,000 of controlled substances were delivered to me or my spouse, I'd be out of a job real quick, even if a jury later found me not guilty on a technicality.

Not neccessarily...what if someone just had a package sent to you...without your knowledge and without your involement?  Please...there are a hundred senario's....none of which lend much to this discussion.

Bottom line is, you're making broad generalizations without any direct knowledge of what action (if any) have been taken on various athletes for infractions of the C.O.C. I happen to know for FACT, that many athletes have been issued warnings both verbal and written.

[Chick]

You make a good point.

Okay - is the severity based upon 1) Damage to the IFBB, or 2) Damage to society?

The sevarity is based on whatever the individual has done...and to what extent. Talking shit about another competitor is prety low on the totem pole...talking shit about an Official / judge is higher....making accusations of contest fixing is higher yet....competing in a rival organization...see ya later.

All depends on the 5 W's....

[240 is Back]

The sevarity is based on whatever the individual has done...and to what extent. Talking shit about another competitor is prety low on the totem pole...talking shit about an Official / judge is higher....making accusations of contest fixing is higher yet....competing in a rival organization...see ya later.

All depends on the 5 W's....

Lee is a high profile guy who jumped.  That was damaging to the IFBB.  No denying that.  IFBB took some loss, even if we cannot measure it.

Some of the other guys did things like drugs or prostitution or pornography which - without argument - was a greater damage to SOCIETY.

Lee might have swayed a few sponsors to give their money to someone other than the IFBB promoters.  And a few ticketbuyers might have skipped the NY Pro for the NOC.  So yes, there was an impact.  

Do they put a hgher value on damage done to their own firm, than damage done to society?

[Chick]

Lee is a high profile guy who jumped.  That was damaging to the IFBB.  No denying that.  IFBB took some loss, even if we cannot measure it.

Some of the other guys did things like drugs or prostitution or pornography which - without argument - was a greater damage to SOCIETY.

Lee might have swayed a few sponsors to give their money to someone other than the IFBB promoters.  And a few ticketbuyers might have skipped the NY Pro for the NOC.  So yes, there was an impact.  

Do they put a hgher value on damage done to their own firm, than damage done to society?

As I said...It's not my call as to what they place a greator emphasis on. Even with your senario...it depends on what has happened and to what extent. Murder charges, lets say....will definately be looked at harder than having a DUI.

Too many variables to be more specific...

[Lee_a_priest]

Lee is a high profile guy who jumped.  That was damaging to the IFBB.  No denying that.  IFBB took some loss, even if we cannot measure it.

Some of the other guys did things like drugs or prostitution or pornography which - without argument - was a greater damage to SOCIETY.

Lee might have swayed a few sponsors to give their money to someone other than the IFBB promoters.  And a few ticketbuyers might have skipped the NY Pro for the NOC.  So yes, there was an impact.  

Do they put a hgher value on damage done to their own firm, than damage done to society?

NO PORN IS GOOD..SO WHEN YOUNG KIDS HAVE A HERO MALE OR FEMALE THEY CAN GOOGLE THEM AND SEE THIER GREAT PORN MOVIES......THAT IS GOOD IMAGE FOR IFBB

[timfogarty]

Not neccessarily...what if someone just had a package sent to you...without your knowledge and without your involement?  Please...there are a hundred senario's....none of which lend much to this discussion.

yeah, someone is going to send me $300k of drugs out of the goodness of their heart.   (Please, just click on the donation button on musclememory.com instead.)

[bigdumbbell]

As I said...It's not my call as to what they place a greator emphasis on. Even with your senario...it depends on what has happened and to what extent. Murder charges, lets say....will definately be looked at harder than having a DUI.

Too many variables to be more specific...

IS TITUS A MEMBER IN GOOD STANDING OR DID IT LAPSE FOR NONPAYMENT?

[timfogarty]

The sevarity is based on whatever the individual has done...and to what extent. Talking shit about another competitor is prety low on the totem pole...talking shit about an Official / judge is higher....making accusations of contest fixing is higher yet....competing in a rival organization...see ya later.

I don't know.  To me throwing a hissy fit about someone competing in another organization does more damage to the IFBB than the athlete actually competing in another org.

Dismissing out of hand that a senior official may be corrupt, threatening someone for even raising the possibility (especially when there have been such rumors for years) does more damage to the IFBB.   Every top level athlete throughout Asia had heard these rumors, many believed them.

What causes the most damage to the IFBB is that it appears to be an oligarchy with no accountablity.   When it appears that the powers that be are only trying to protect their power and finances, fans stop coming to contests.

[240 is Back]

IS TITUS A MEMBER IN GOOD STANDING OR DID IT LAPSE FOR NONPAYMENT?

Good point.

What date did Craig Titus' IFBB Membership become voided?

[timfogarty]

rank these on how much damage they do to the reputation of the IFBB?

1) being caught with hundreds of vials of an anabolic steroid along with 19 ecstasy tablets, but never being charged, the rumor being that you turned states evidence

2) doing jack off videos on the internet

3) competing in a non-sanctioned contest

[bigdumbbell]

rank these on how much damage they do to the reputation of the IFBB?

1) being caught with hundreds of vials of an anabolic steroid along with 19 ecstasy tablets, but never being charged, the rumor being that you turned states evidence

2) doing jack off videos on the internet

3) competing in a non-sanctioned contest

1. 1
2. 3
3. 2

[christinafitness]

4) murder someone

5) die from abuse

[onlyme]

I'm pretty sure if Lee jumped over to Dillets Federation instead of the PDI, the IFBB probably wouldn't mind.  But since Wayne is a threat to them he got the hammer.

[Chick]

I'm pretty sure if Lee jumped over to Dillets Federation instead of the PDI, the IFBB probably wouldn't mind.  But since Wayne is a threat to them he got the hammer.

Non sanctioned is non sanctioned...there is no affiliation with Dilletts federation (should it come to be)....as such, the penalty is the same.

[christinafitness]

there are so many athletes that do the Musclemania AND the NPC, but the IFBB never cares... but PDI, ....