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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2007, 06:38:31 AM »
She lost her son..her marriage and I guess she's broke. She didn't gaina thing by protesting. She was used by the left and when she saw that they could care less either,  she attacked them as well and was fried for it. She certainly didn't make any money from this. Sad case all around.
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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2007, 07:05:38 AM »
HE re-enlisted..........fighting for his country, HE was a hero........although I hope I never feel her pain.........SHE is an opportunist who made money from her son's demise and John Kerry is the peice of crap who used HER pain for a political agenda!
How can you say that?

I would hate to see you in her position.

And please do not bring up some sleazy innuendo about money for her son's death.  The republican war machine makes its living on the blood and bones of our nation's finest and they do it all for the dollar.  Her son was killed.

You may disagree with her, but attacking her in this manner is bush league.

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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2007, 07:18:34 AM »
The republican war machine...Decker look at your own party..they could care less about the American soldier. They saw an opportunity with Sheehan and they used her. Once she began to attack them for their in-action they dumped her.
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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2007, 07:37:13 AM »
How can you say that?

I would hate to see you in her position.

And please do not bring up some sleazy innuendo about money for her son's death.  The republican war machine makes its living on the blood and bones of our nation's finest and they do it all for the dollar.  Her son was killed.

You may disagree with her, but attacking her in this manner is bush league.

I guess you missed the part where I said "HE was a hero.......although I HOPE I NEVER FEEL HER PAIN"

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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2007, 07:42:01 AM »
The republican war machine...Decker look at your own party..they could care less about the American soldier. They saw an opportunity with Sheehan and they used her. Once she began to attack them for their in-action they dumped her.
At least they gave her a national venue.

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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2007, 07:44:49 AM »
I guess you missed the part where I said "HE was a hero.......although I HOPE I NEVER FEEL HER PAIN"
I didn't miss that.  Your aversion to emotional pain was noted but I also saw you piling on a woman by dusting off your rightwing crapola about inherent liberal corruption.  That is tired and sad.

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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2007, 07:47:08 AM »
The republican war machine...Decker look at your own party..they could care less about the American soldier. They saw an opportunity with Sheehan and they used her. Once she began to attack them for their in-action they dumped her.
It was the Democratic party that tried to end this fiasco in Iraq but they do not have the power to do it.  The republicans are the ones prolonging this horrific error...they feed our nation's best into a foreign shooting gallery while waving the flag and droning patriotic slogans.

You might not like the Democrats, but they have the moral high ground over the republicans in this instance.

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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2007, 08:47:44 AM »
It was the Democratic party that tried to end this fiasco in Iraq but they do not have the power to do it.  The republicans are the ones prolonging this horrific error...they feed our nation's best into a foreign shooting gallery while waving the flag and droning patriotic slogans.

You might not like the Democrats, but they have the moral high ground over the republicans in this instance.

Oh please.  Moral high ground?  Democrats have their hands all over this war, from telling the American people that Saddam was a threat and had to be removed in the years leading up to the war to endorsing the war after it started.  They are a bunch of hypocrites and liars when it comes to the war IMO.   

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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2007, 09:09:06 AM »
Oh please.  Moral high ground?  Democrats have their hands all over this war, from telling the American people that Saddam was a threat and had to be removed in the years leading up to the war to endorsing the war after it started.  They are a bunch of hypocrites and liars when it comes to the war IMO.   
Politicians that are hypocrites and liars?  Imagine that.  Show me the democrats' lies.  Hypocrisy is not just a slander but part of the learning dialectic where one progresses from an ignorant position to an informed position.  We are all hypocrites in that respect.

I will gladly take the side of a 'hypocrite' finally admitting that the war is illegal and immoral rather than that of the stalwart republicans still supporting Bush b/c if we don't fight them over there we'll have to fight them here.

Which side do you stand on?

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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2007, 09:36:01 AM »
Show me the democrats' lies. 

 

1. Count Every Vote- This was the mantra of the Al Gore campaign after the 2000 presidential election, when they were hand counting votes in 3 highly Democratic counties, while at the same time trying to disqualify military votes. In effect they were trying to change the rules of the election after the election had taken place, which violated federal election law. A liberal Florida Supreme Court ruled in the favor of the Gore Campaign until the U.S. Supreme Court put a stop to it. To this very day, liberals actually believe George Bush stole the election.

2. There is a vast right wing conspiracy- There is a far right wing in the Republican Party, but it is a small fringe element. However, there is a far left wing in this country and it is a large part of the main stream of the Democratic party. Remember when Hillary Clinton went on the Today Show and responded to the allegation of an affair between her husband (President Clinton) and an intern (Monica Lewinsky) as untrue and blamed it on a Right Wing Conspiracy? Over the past ten years Tom Daschle, Nancy Pelosi, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Mario Cuomo, Richard Gephardt and Jesse Jackson have been the loudest and most influential voices in the Democratic party. Are any of these people Moderates? Also please note, there is a liberal bias in the media. You might make the argument that there is a vast left wing conspiracy.

3. This is a tax break for the rich- This is class warfare at it's finest. If a person earning $40,000 a year gets a 10% tax reduction and a person earning $1,000,000 per year gets a 1% tax reduction- the person earning $1,000,000 will get a much greater tax break. Tom Daschle and Richard Gephardt once stood next to a car in front of the Capital Building holding up a muffler. They made a statement that a proposed George Bush tax cut would allow the rich to buy a new car and the average American to buy a muffler. This is a strategy Democrats use on every Republican proposed tax cut. They stop everyone from getting a reduction in their taxes by using class warfare. Please note, tax reductions are not an entitlement program.

4. There is no liberal bias in the media- For close to 50 years the news in America was controlled by ABC, NBC and CBS. In the last 20 years CNN came on to the scene. This is pretty much comparable to the BBC in Europe and AL Jazzera in the Arab world today. It was in the last 6 years when Fox News and other cable news networks were born to give a more balanced approach to news analysis. However, if you look at the major networks today, they are still run by the left. Tim Russert, the President of NBC News, at one time worked for Mario Cuomo. The top players at ABC News are Peter Jennings, George Stephanopolous, Sam Donaldson and Cokie Roberts- hardly conservatives. Lets not forget the statement the President of ABC News made after September 11th. CBS News has Dan Rather and Bob Schieffer- more non-conservatives. All you have to say about CNN is that it was created by Ted Turner. In print media there is the Los Angeles Times in California, The New York Times in New York and The Atlanta Journal Constitution in Georgia. These have been the major newspapers in our most populous cities for many years and their reporting has a liberal bias.

5. Republicans want to cut school lunch programs- This was the attack leveled by Democrats against the Republicans during a budget battle in 1995. Democrats proposed a double digit increase in funding for school lunch programs, while Republican proposed a more modest increase. To put this in perspective, you must ask this question. How many people get a double digit increase in their pay each year? Democrats called the Republican proposal a cut and charged they wanted to starve children, because the proposal was less than what Democrats proposed. Please note, the Republican proposal called for an increase in funding. The media printed the story, never challenging it, even though it was not true. This became famous for when does an increase become a cut- only in Washington DC.

6. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky- We all know the truth here. There is nothing to be added- except that it was not a vast right wing conspiracy.

7. Republicans are mean spirited and want to throw the poor out on the street- This was a charge leveled by Democrats against Republicans when they proposed time limits for receiving welfare. Polls show that the majority of Americans believe in time restrictions for welfare recipients. Republicans know that to escape poverty it takes education, hard work and discipline. The greatness of this country rests in its freedom and that within one generation a person can rise from poverty to obtain great wealth. Allowing endless dependency on an entitlement program has trapped many in poverty. Why would Democrats want to keep anyone dependent on an entitlement program like welfare? How many people on welfare vote Republican?

8. I support the military- It has been well documented that when it comes to voting for military funding- liberals would much rather spend money on social programs. First you must understand their rational. Approximately 10% of the population in the United States is poor, which is about 30 million Americans. There are approximately one million Americans serving in the military. If only 1 in 5 of the poor vote, that equals about six million votes as compared to one million votes from the military. There are two relevant questions here. What percent of the poor vote Republican? How close was the 2000 Presidential Election? This leads directly to the answer of why would liberals rather appropriate money to social programs than to the defense of our country. Please note, the defense of our country is a primary, if not the primary responsibility of our government. If we don't protect the country, we may not have a country or our freedom.

9. Privatizing social security is risky. Contribute $300 a month to Social Security and you may get $1,800 a month when you retire. Sound like a good deal? There was a story about Dick Gephardt's mother living on Social Security and having numerous checks she had written returned for insufficient funds. Gephardt politicized the event by stating that this was an example of why Social Security should not be privatized, because if it were not for Social Security his mother would have been much worse off. Please note that the S & P 500 has returned more than 10% over it's lifetime. Therefore- if you invested $300 a month in an S & P 500 mutual fund for 40 years at the end of that time (enter these numbers into any compound interest calculator) you would have approximately 2 million dollars (Please note that these are conservative numbers). This means you could withdraw almost $200,000 or 10 percent a year and never exhaust your money. Break that down and it is $20, 000 a month. Social Security does not sound so good any longer. Please be advised that the key to obtaining wealth is systematically investing for the long term. There is no quick sure fire scheme to getting rich. If Gephardt's mother had been investing in mutual funds her entire life instead of Social Security- she would have been much better off at the present. Also, please be advised that privatizing Social Security helps the poor the more than anyone. The rich invest money in 401K plans. The poor, the clerk at a convenience store or a customer service representative doesn't have excess funds to invest and so their only investment vehicle is Security Security, which in reality is just a bond fund.

10. Trickle down economics does not work- Money in the hands of people stimulates the economy, whether they are rich or poor. The problem- how to you put money in the hands of the poor? Transfer of more wealth from the rich to the poor each year? This would only create greater dependency on entitlements and give lessen the incentive to achieve. Give the poor greater tax cuts? You can only cut the taxes for the poor by so much, because they don't pay much in taxes. When Tom Daschle said that the result of a proposed Bush tax cut would mean that a rich person would be able to buy a new car, without realizing it, he proved the theory of Trickle Down Economics. The person selling that car would generate income that he would otherwise not have had. Please note that if that person sells enough cars, he will gain wealth. If tax rates in this county were at 75% what would happen to the economy? The answer is that no one would have money to spend on anything except housing and food. The result would be that businesses everywhere would fail, because no one would have money to buy clothes, electronics, entertainment, repairs for their homes or cars, go on vacation..... If they did buy such things, they would have to go in to debt to do so. How would this help the working class or the poor? Please note the average taxpayer, pays roughly 50% of their income in taxes. After the attack on September 11th, Hillary Clinton said, "come to New York and spend money." She knew if people stopped coming to New York and spending money, businesses would fail and the economy in New York would suffer a great downturn, which would hurt the average working family. This is interesting considering that liberals are for tax hikes and against tax cuts. The only thing that helps the working class is a strong economy. It gives the average worker more freedom and more bargaining power. When the financial sector was booming from 1987 through 1989, workers were getting bonuses, overtime and stock options. When the financial sector suffered a downturn in 1990, it trickled down. There were no more bonuses, overtime, stock options and their were layoffs.

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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2007, 09:38:26 AM »
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11. This is a Bush recession- Liberals blame George Bush for the weak economy and say his tax cut has only made the economy worse. They point to jobs lost, the level of unemployment, the level of the financial markets and slow growth since he took office. The economy was beginning to turn around leading up to September 11, 2001. After the attack on September 11, everything changed. People did stop flying, hurting the airline industry, which in turn hurt hotels, restaurants, theme parks and tourism. There were some businesses that closed for an entire week and some in New York that never reopened. The financial markets were closed for more than a week and the financial services industry was devastated. September 11th hurt all sectors of the economy, which resulted in tens of thousands of layoffs. So how is George Bush is responsible for the poor economy? Liberals would have you forget that the attack on September 11th took place and we must never forget. George Bush is trying to revive the economy by lowering taxes. The irony here, the liberals who accuse him of hurting the economy oppose his tax cuts.

12. The banning of partial birth abortions is an assault on a woman's privacy and right to choose. A partial birth abortion is the termination of a life as a child is being born; hence the term partial birth abortion. The great divide on this issue rests with the circumstance that this procedure should be allowed. Liberals believe it should be allowed when the mother's health is in danger. Conservatives believe the procedure should only be allowed when the mother's life is in danger. Well established law states that deadly force can only be used to meet deadly force. This means that you can only use deadly force when you believe your life is in danger. If someone with the flu coughs on you, your health is danger. If someone berates you, your mental health may be in danger. If your neighbor doesn't take care of their property, it will cause you great aggravation and stress. However, there is no legal cause to use deadly force in any of these circumstances. However, liberals will allow children as they are being born to have their lives ended for the broad definition of health. Republicans tried to pass a bans on partial birth abortions with the exception of when the mother's life was in danger. However, Bill Clinton vetoed their efforts keeping in place the standard that if the health of the mother was in danger the procedure could take place. Another liberal lie with children's life as the casualty.

13. I am against the death penalty, because an innocent person may be executed. However, I am for paroling convicted felons in order to give them a second chance. Liberals say they are against the death penalty, because they fear that an innocent person may be executed. However, they argue for paroling convicted violent criminals in order to give them a second chance. There has yet to be a case where a person was given the death penalty and later found to be innocent. However- argue with a liberal and they will come up with one case. OK- so give them that one. Please be advised that there are thousands of documented cases of convicted violent criminals that were given numerous chances and then murdered innocent women and children. Cases such as Polly Klaas and most recently Carlie Brucia. Remember the 1988 election and Willie Horton? He was convicted of murder and given a life sentence without parole. However, only eleven years later, he was given a weekend pass from prison via a furlough program supported by then Democratic Governor Michael Dukakis of Massachusetts. In 1976 Governor Dukakis vetoed a bill that would have banned the furloughs for first-degree murderers. On the weekend that Horton was released, he broke into the home of Clifford Barnes. He beat Mr. Barnes, cut him 22 times and then savagely raped his fiancee twice. Call liberals soft on crime, that they care more about criminals rights than victim rights and they will call you a cold hearted right wing extremist. Is this backward thinking? If liberals truly cared about saving lives, they would not be fighting for the parole and early release of convicted violent criminals.

14. The people of New Jersey deserve a choice- This was the mantra of liberals when they replaced New Jersey Senator Robert Torricelli on the ballot for Senator with less than 30 days before the 2002 election. New Jersey law bars replacement of candidates less than 51 days before an election, unless for a special circumstance, such as death of a candidate. Torricelli was losing so badly he decided to quit the race and Democrats replaced him on the ballot with Frank Lautenberg just weeks before the election. They stated that the people of New Jersey deserved a choice. The people of New Jersey had a choice and they did not choose Torrecelli.

15. Democrats are for working class families- As Democrats are opposed to every tax reduction this statement is almost ludicrous. The largest obstacle to gaining wealth is taxes. The single biggest issue affecting middle class families on a daily basis is taxes. The middle class taxpayer pays close to 50% of their income in taxes. Please consider the following: federal income tax, state income tax, state sales tax, property tax, gas tax, tolls, taxes on alcohol and cigarettes, utility taxes, automobile registration fees, county surtaxes. Democrats are not for the middle class and break down their support into groups. They get funds and count on votes from women by being pro-choice, minorities for supporting affirmative action, gays for supporting gay rights, unions for not supporting school vouchers, and environmentalists supporting things such as not drilling for oil in Alaska. On the those who don't pay close attention to the issues they use spin- reference the top ten liberal lies!

16. Bill Clinton created millions of jobs- What policy did Bill Clinton implement to create millions of jobs? The majority of jobs that were created under the Clinton Administration were Internet related. The great boom of the Internet led to the creation of millions of jobs, which Clinton had nothing to do with. As a result of so many people working and paying taxes, there were large government surpluses. However, instead of attacking terrorism, Bill Clinton decided to use the Justice Department to attack Microsoft. There is a direct time line link between the decline of the NASDAQ and the ruling to break up Microsoft. As the NASDAQ declined many Internet companies failed or downsized. As a result, millions of jobs were lost and government revenues declined. Bill Clinton was handed a great economy and with his actions only served to undermine it.

17. My opposition to the Bush Administration or America is an act of patriotism because freedom of expression is what America was founded on. Civil discourse and civil disagreement are the founding principals of this country. What many liberals are practicing today is hate speech. I have seen Janeane Garofalo in a speech call Republicans evil, Jessica Lange say that she despises President Bush, Al Sharpton compare President Bush to a gang leader and Ted Kennedy say the war in Iraq was made up in Texas and a fraud. To understand- just switch the word African American with the word Republican or President Bush. What would be the result if someone said that African Americans were evil? Many Liberals name call and make accusations with no factual basis. Some of these individuals would be sued for slander if their statements were made against anyone other than President Bush. Yet- Liberals say their right to speak is being infringed upon by Conservatives. This is spin at its greatest. Hate speech is not civil discourse! Liberals have the right to speak out and express their views(even hate speech)- however- Conservatives have a right to react to that speech.

18. There was a rush to war in Iraq. I would have given diplomacy a chance and created a world coalition. Please note that Iraq violated 16 United Nation resolutions over a period of 10 years. The only reason Saddam Hussein allowed United Nations inspectors to search for weapons of mass destruction was due to the fact that the United States had Iraq surrounded by war ships and over 100,000 U.S. troops. He had ordered them out of Iraq and took actions to block them from inspecting sites. Many of the troops had been sitting in the desert and on ships for 6 to 8 months before the war began while diplomacy was given a chance. Military leaders had many factors to consider in the timing of the war in Iraq, such as the time of year (weather conditions) and morale of the troops. They could not invade in the middle of summer or in the middle of winter. They also could not leave our men and women in uniform remaining idle and bored for months or years while we try to negotiate with a dictator as countries like France undercut our efforts. If you really want to lower morale and place troops in great danger- leave them sitting stationed idle in a desert around Iraq for two years before conducting a war. I guess this would have been the plan of the Democratic Party.

19.The Republicans are to blame for companies moving jobs overseas.
I was sitting next to an woman one time who was talking about her company and how they were moving jobs to India. She said, "the reason that all these jobs are going overseas is because the Republicans are in power". I paused for a second and then I told her, "I think you have that backward". I subsequently began to explain to her that the liberals are the ones that impose so many restrictions on business. Democrats are continually wanting to raise the minimum wage, impose excessive environmental legislation, are infamous for raising taxes when in power, are pro union and are generally anti-business. Two examples are California and New York. In California, a person can claim workers compensation for almost any type of issue. As a result, businesses pay almost 10 times the amount of workers compensation insurance per employee as in other states. Many businesses have left California and moved to neighboring Nevada just due to that cost. In New York, when Mario Cuomo was governor, taxes were so high that many business decided to just leave the state. When conditions are not hospitable- business leave and find other locations that are more suitable. Recently this has been a trend with companies moving parts or all of their operations overseas. As previously noted, The Democratic Party has been the party for raising the minimum wage, imposing excessive costly environmental legislation, votes to raise taxes, is pro union and has been anti-business. The Republican Party has always been in favor of deregulation, lowering taxes, letting the economy dictate wages and creating legislation that is pro business Now- you tell me who is to blame for companies moving jobs overseas

20. The Enron Scandal- First Democrats attacked the Bush administration demanding to know the extent they were involved in the Enron collapse. Once Democrats learned that they were not involved- they attacked the Bush Administration demanding to know why they did not help to save the company.

21. We don't need to drill for oil in Alaska, because we could save the same amount of oil by increasing the standards for miles per gallon on cars and SUV's- What liberals are really saying is that they care more about contributions from environmentalists than they do about your family. What they are saying is they care more about the caribou than your children. When you lower the standards of miles per gallon, in effect you lower the safety of cars. Please note, America is about freedom of choice. If someone wants to drive an SUV, so be it. I guess liberals would have us all driving around in a Yugo if they had their choice. It wasn't that long ago when liberals were trying to reduce the speed limits on highways, because they said it would save lives. Do you see a contradiction here? Also please note, no one knows how much oil is in Alaska. I know liberals will charge that Republicans are for drilling in Alaska, because oil companies are a big contributor to their party. I am not even going to go into the National Security implication and benefits of being energy dependent from the Middle East. Lastly, and most importantly, we need to develop affordable alternative sources of energy such as hydrogen fuel cells.

22. The comparison of President Bush to Hitler by liberal extremists such as Moveon.org - Please note that Hitler conducted a war to conquer countries in order to expand his empire. He purposefully enslaved and murdered millions of innocent people. President Bush conducted a war to liberate innocent people and rid the world of a dangerous dictator. A dictator that had started two wars and purposefully murdered his own people. This comparison by liberals would be like comparing a criminal that raided a home for the purpose of murdering its innocent occupants to obtain their possessions and the police raiding a home to capture that criminal.

23. George Bush was not elected by a majority of the American people so he does not have a mandate for his agenda- This was the mantra of Tom Daschle after he became the Senate Majority Leader. Daschle became the Senate majority Leader when Senator Jim Jeffords switched from the Republican Party to the Independent Party, thereby giving the Democrats a one person majority in the Senate. Daschle became Senate Majority Leader not by vote of the American people, but from a Senator switching parties. He used his position to say George Bush did not have a mandate and then blocked straight up or down votes in the Senate by requiring a super majority of 60 votes to pass certain legislation. In effect, Daschle was trying to impose his own agenda on the American people when they did not elect him to do so. As we all know, in the 2002 congressional elections, Democrats lost seats in the Senate and Daschle lost his lost his position as Senate Majority Leader.

24. I am against the death penalty, but for abortion- This is more of an observation on just how backwards liberal thinking really is; however, I felt compelled to add it to the list. How can you support the taking of an innocent life and be opposed to taking the life of someone that has committed acts of evil? Those on death row have hurt innocent people, families, children and society. What acts has an unborn child committed to deserve the fate of being aborted. This is a perfect example of how liberals are on the wrong side of issues. Liberals will claim that abortion is a right to privacy issue - the so called, "it is my body and I can do with it what I wish". Well- a person cannot do whatever they wish with their body if it effects me. You cannot take your fist (which is part of your body) and punch me in the face. A person has the right to privacy in their home, but that does not extend to activities which are illegal. Your rights end where my rights begin. A heart beats at less than 4 weeks. Isn't a heart beat the final determination of death. Why should a heart beat not be the final determination of life?

25. We cannot fight two wars at the same time, there is no link between Iraq and terrorism- This was the liberal mantra on keeping a ruthless brutal dictator in power. Please note that Saddam Hussein was paying the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. Mass graves have been found in Iraq and Saddam was a terrorist.

26. It was wrong to fire Linda Ronstadt- she has the right of freedom of speech-
Linda Ronstadt was hired to do a job, she offended the owner's customers and she was fired. Please be advised that a business owner has every right to fire an employee that offends its customers. Linda Ronstadt is not going to jail for her comments and she can speak out all she wants on her own time. Liberals that say it is a matter of free speech are just lying, ignorant or never owned a business. Please note that Michael Moore is asking the owners of the casino to apologize to Ronstadt and bring her back to perform. This is an example of how Moore distorts the truth and reality. If someone working at a job offends 40% of the customers- what do you think might happen? Common sense would dictate that they would not have a job very long. Imagine on the show The Apprentice - if a contestant offended almost one half of their prospective customers? How long do you think it would be before Donald Trump said - you're fired? Would this person's freedom of speech being inhibited because they were fired? Should Trump apologize and ask the contestant back? That is how ridiculous Moore's statement is! Employees are being paid to generate business- not drive it away. Linda Ronstadt is being paid to do a job and she should do it. Her job is not to offend the owner's customers! If you owned a business and you had an employee that was offending customers - you would fire them too!

27.The terror alert was based on dated information that was years old - it was done for political purposes by the Bush Administration.
In August 2004, the Bush Administration released a warning to the public about possible plans by al Qaeda to target financial centers in some large U.S. cities. This information was met with criticism and skepticism by liberal Democrats and the liberal media because the warning was based on information was was a few years old. Please be advised that al Qaeda does not plan major attacks and carry them out the following day. The most destructive terrorist attacks executed by al Qaeda were planned for years. The attack on America on September 11, 2001, was 5 years in the making. Does this mean if that plot was learned 4 1/2 years after it was conceived (6 months before it occurred) that the information should have be dismissed as old and dated? That seems to be the strategy of liberal Democrats and the opinion of liberal media. These are the same liberals that bash President Bush for not doing enough to fight the war on terror.

28. The Swift Boat Veterans that are speaking out against John Kerry are lying- they were not on Kerry's boat.
This is the equivalent of a defense lawyer stating that a witness who saw a murder from across the street is lying, because the witness was not on the actual street corner of the murder. Please note that most of the Swift Boats patrolled in groups. The veterans did not have to actually be on Kerry's boat to witness what took place.

29. The attempt by liberals to stop television stations from airing the Swift Boat veterans ad about John Kerry's military service because they say it contains false and libelous charges.
Liberal organizations run television ads against President Bush based on innuendo, speculation, accusation and distorted truths. Liberals have always run these types of ads. Remember the James Byrd ad that ran in Texas? Moveon.org has even created ads comparing President Bush to Adolf Hitler. Julian Bond - the leader of the the NAACP- in speeches has compared the Bush Administration to Nazi Germany. All of this is rhetoric. It is opinion and not based on facts or eyewitness accounts. The Swift Boat Veterans are speaking out based upon their eyewitness accounts. This is just another example of the tactic of liberal spin, which is accusing their opponents of the exact tactic they are using.

30. America is partly to blame for the acts of terrorism that took place on 9/11. The people of Spain, Australia, Iraq, Pakistan, Israel and the children in Russian did nothing to deserve the acts of terror that they have suffered. Terrorists have killed their own people and dictators have killed and watched their own people suffer. Yet- liberals such as Ted Turner believe that America shares part of the blame for the attacks on September 11, 2001.

31. It wasn't rape- what was she doing in his hotel room that late at night?
This is the defense that liberals proposed in reference to the allegations of rape against Mike Tyson and Kobe Bryant. They had no regard or consideration for the facts. Liberals believed that because a woman was in a hotel room late at night if she was raped it was totally appropriate. Do you think they would believe this if it were their daughter? Let me tell you how ridiculous their argument is. If you follow this logic then this must mean that if a woman kisses a man passionately - he has the right to have intercourse with her. The liberal argument would follow that - what was she doing kissing him? If you follow this logic it means that if a woman takes a trip to see a male friend he has the right to have intercourse with her? The liberal argument would be - why was she going all that way to see him? I have been in hotel rooms late at night many times in my life with friends. I guess according to liberals - women do not have the same freedoms as men.

32. Abraham Lincoln, Rudy Guliani, Colin Powell, Schwarzenegger..... are liberals
Liberals will try to claim Republicans to their side by saying that they are really liberals. They will point to one or two issues to make their case. Liberals will argue that Republicans such as Rudy Guliani or Arnold Schwarzenegger are really liberals because they are pro choice. I have heard liberals say that Colin Powell is a liberal, because he is an anti-war general. This would be the equivalent of saying that Joe Lieberman is a conservative because he supported the war in Iraq or that Bill Clinton was a conservative, because he supported welfare reform. You must look at a person and their views as a whole- not just one or two. The above politicians in the title of this section agree with 90% of the conservative cause. Because they do not agree with 100% of the conservative platform- does not make them liberal. This only shows that the Republican Party is an inclusive party that welcomes diverse views and it is the Democratic party is an extreme party. If you are a pro choice Democrat - you will not find a prevalent role in the that Party.

33. President Bush said he was going to change the tone in Washington
This is what liberals are saying in reference to the divisive tone between Republicans and Democrats in Washington DC. The problem is that liberals are creating the divisive tone. Al Gore said President Bush betrayed his country. Al Sharpton compared President Bush to a gang leader. Senator Byrd compared Republicans to Nazis. Senator Kennedy said the war in Iraq was a fraud. Howard Dean suggested that President Bush had prior knowledge of the attacks on September 11, 2001. This is just a small sample of statements made by liberals against conservatives and then they have the nerve to say that the tone in Washington is divisive and say that President Bush was going to change the tone!

 

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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2007, 09:40:40 AM »
I googled your source, Joe.
http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/007312.html

Still in the 28% believing the Bush Administration.  Do you think you're "faithful" enough to be in the final 5%?
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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2007, 09:42:35 AM »
She's got this chump to thank:


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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2007, 09:50:48 AM »
I googled your source, Joe.
http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/007312.html

Still in the 28% believing the Bush Administration.  Do you think you're "faithful" enough to be in the final 5%?

That wasn't my source...........but 28% is still higher than congress'!

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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2007, 09:52:04 AM »
How can you say that?

I would hate to see you in her position.

And please do not bring up some sleazy innuendo about money for her son's death.  The republican war machine makes its living on the blood and bones of our nation's finest and they do it all for the dollar.  Her son was killed.

You may disagree with her, but attacking her in this manner is bush league.


Do you really expect anything different from Mr. Hate? He's the single most hate filled and propaganda fueled poster on this board, no one's even close. It doesn't matter who the person is, what they've been through or what they've accomplished, if they have a different opinion than Mr. Hate then he literally hates them with every fiber of his being and in many cases advocates for them to be killed.

 

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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2007, 09:52:23 AM »
That wasn't my source...........but 28% is still higher than congress'!

 ::)

My cement slab is better than your clump of dirt  lol

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« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2007, 09:56:15 AM »
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My cement slab is better than your clump of dirt  lol

LOL!

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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2007, 10:02:25 AM »
Even if if you and i disagree on just about eveything involving politics maybe we can agree on this:


Both of those approval ratings is a strong indication our nation is sick of our politicians.



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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2007, 10:03:23 AM »
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My cement slab is better than your clump of dirt  lol

Bush is the failed father while congress is the bitchas housewife that wont do shit.

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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2007, 10:04:11 AM »
Both of those approval ratings is a strong indication our nation is sick of our politicians.

Bump for getting some liberals in office to carry out the people's will.
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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2007, 10:05:19 AM »
Bump for getting some liberals in office to carry out the people's will.

No doubt.  But it's it unrealistic to think it would actually happen IMO.

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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2007, 10:10:43 AM »
1. Count Every Vote- This was the mantra of the Al Gore campaign after the 2000 presidential election, when they were hand counting votes in 3 highly Democratic counties, while at the same time trying to disqualify military votes. In effect they were trying to change the rules of the election after the election had taken place, which violated federal election law. A liberal Florida Supreme Court ruled in the favor of the Gore Campaign until the U.S. Supreme Court put a stop to it. To this very day, liberals actually believe George Bush stole the election.

2. There is a vast right wing conspiracy- There is a far right wing in the Republican Party, but it is a small fringe element. However, there is a far left wing in this country and it is a large part of the main stream of the Democratic party. Remember when Hillary Clinton went on the Today Show and responded to the allegation of an affair between her husband (President Clinton) and an intern (Monica Lewinsky) as untrue and blamed it on a Right Wing Conspiracy? Over the past ten years Tom Daschle, Nancy Pelosi, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Mario Cuomo, Richard Gephardt and Jesse Jackson have been the loudest and most influential voices in the Democratic party. Are any of these people Moderates? Also please note, there is a liberal bias in the media. You might make the argument that there is a vast left wing conspiracy.

3. This is a tax break for the rich- This is class warfare at it's finest. If a person earning $40,000 a year gets a 10% tax reduction and a person earning $1,000,000 per year gets a 1% tax reduction- the person earning $1,000,000 will get a much greater tax break. Tom Daschle and Richard Gephardt once stood next to a car in front of the Capital Building holding up a muffler. They made a statement that a proposed George Bush tax cut would allow the rich to buy a new car and the average American to buy a muffler. This is a strategy Democrats use on every Republican proposed tax cut. They stop everyone from getting a reduction in their taxes by using class warfare. Please note, tax reductions are not an entitlement program.

4. There is no liberal bias in the media- For close to 50 years the news in America was controlled by ABC, NBC and CBS. In the last 20 years CNN came on to the scene. This is pretty much comparable to the BBC in Europe and AL Jazzera in the Arab world today. It was in the last 6 years when Fox News and other cable news networks were born to give a more balanced approach to news analysis. However, if you look at the major networks today, they are still run by the left. Tim Russert, the President of NBC News, at one time worked for Mario Cuomo. The top players at ABC News are Peter Jennings, George Stephanopolous, Sam Donaldson and Cokie Roberts- hardly conservatives. Lets not forget the statement the President of ABC News made after September 11th. CBS News has Dan Rather and Bob Schieffer- more non-conservatives. All you have to say about CNN is that it was created by Ted Turner. In print media there is the Los Angeles Times in California, The New York Times in New York and The Atlanta Journal Constitution in Georgia. These have been the major newspapers in our most populous cities for many years and their reporting has a liberal bias.

5. Republicans want to cut school lunch programs- This was the attack leveled by Democrats against the Republicans during a budget battle in 1995. Democrats proposed a double digit increase in funding for school lunch programs, while Republican proposed a more modest increase. To put this in perspective, you must ask this question. How many people get a double digit increase in their pay each year? Democrats called the Republican proposal a cut and charged they wanted to starve children, because the proposal was less than what Democrats proposed. Please note, the Republican proposal called for an increase in funding. The media printed the story, never challenging it, even though it was not true. This became famous for when does an increase become a cut- only in Washington DC.

6. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky- We all know the truth here. There is nothing to be added- except that it was not a vast right wing conspiracy.

7. Republicans are mean spirited and want to throw the poor out on the street- This was a charge leveled by Democrats against Republicans when they proposed time limits for receiving welfare. Polls show that the majority of Americans believe in time restrictions for welfare recipients. Republicans know that to escape poverty it takes education, hard work and discipline. The greatness of this country rests in its freedom and that within one generation a person can rise from poverty to obtain great wealth. Allowing endless dependency on an entitlement program has trapped many in poverty. Why would Democrats want to keep anyone dependent on an entitlement program like welfare? How many people on welfare vote Republican?

8. I support the military- It has been well documented that when it comes to voting for military funding- liberals would much rather spend money on social programs. First you must understand their rational. Approximately 10% of the population in the United States is poor, which is about 30 million Americans. There are approximately one million Americans serving in the military. If only 1 in 5 of the poor vote, that equals about six million votes as compared to one million votes from the military. There are two relevant questions here. What percent of the poor vote Republican? How close was the 2000 Presidential Election? This leads directly to the answer of why would liberals rather appropriate money to social programs than to the defense of our country. Please note, the defense of our country is a primary, if not the primary responsibility of our government. If we don't protect the country, we may not have a country or our freedom.

9. Privatizing social security is risky. Contribute $300 a month to Social Security and you may get $1,800 a month when you retire. Sound like a good deal? There was a story about Dick Gephardt's mother living on Social Security and having numerous checks she had written returned for insufficient funds. Gephardt politicized the event by stating that this was an example of why Social Security should not be privatized, because if it were not for Social Security his mother would have been much worse off. Please note that the S & P 500 has returned more than 10% over it's lifetime. Therefore- if you invested $300 a month in an S & P 500 mutual fund for 40 years at the end of that time (enter these numbers into any compound interest calculator) you would have approximately 2 million dollars (Please note that these are conservative numbers). This means you could withdraw almost $200,000 or 10 percent a year and never exhaust your money. Break that down and it is $20, 000 a month. Social Security does not sound so good any longer. Please be advised that the key to obtaining wealth is systematically investing for the long term. There is no quick sure fire scheme to getting rich. If Gephardt's mother had been investing in mutual funds her entire life instead of Social Security- she would have been much better off at the present. Also, please be advised that privatizing Social Security helps the poor the more than anyone. The rich invest money in 401K plans. The poor, the clerk at a convenience store or a customer service representative doesn't have excess funds to invest and so their only investment vehicle is Security Security, which in reality is just a bond fund.

10. Trickle down economics does not work- Money in the hands of people stimulates the economy, whether they are rich or poor. The problem- how to you put money in the hands of the poor? Transfer of more wealth from the rich to the poor each year? This would only create greater dependency on entitlements and give lessen the incentive to achieve. Give the poor greater tax cuts? You can only cut the taxes for the poor by so much, because they don't pay much in taxes. When Tom Daschle said that the result of a proposed Bush tax cut would mean that a rich person would be able to buy a new car, without realizing it, he proved the theory of Trickle Down Economics. The person selling that car would generate income that he would otherwise not have had. Please note that if that person sells enough cars, he will gain wealth. If tax rates in this county were at 75% what would happen to the economy? The answer is that no one would have money to spend on anything except housing and food. The result would be that businesses everywhere would fail, because no one would have money to buy clothes, electronics, entertainment, repairs for their homes or cars, go on vacation..... If they did buy such things, they would have to go in to debt to do so. How would this help the working class or the poor? Please note the average taxpayer, pays roughly 50% of their income in taxes. After the attack on September 11th, Hillary Clinton said, "come to New York and spend money." She knew if people stopped coming to New York and spending money, businesses would fail and the economy in New York would suffer a great downturn, which would hurt the average working family. This is interesting considering that liberals are for tax hikes and against tax cuts. The only thing that helps the working class is a strong economy. It gives the average worker more freedom and more bargaining power. When the financial sector was booming from 1987 through 1989, workers were getting bonuses, overtime and stock options. When the financial sector suffered a downturn in 1990, it trickled down. There were no more bonuses, overtime, stock options and their were layoffs.

.........THIS IS JUST A START.

Whatever it is you just said there bears no relation the topic of the Iraq war.
 
1.  I suggest you look at Florida election laws before you trot out this tired argument.
For what it’s worth, the SCT decision in Bush v. Gore is easily the worst decision in SCT history.  I’ve read it several times and I have read Vincent Bugliosi’s criticism of the decision and I stand w/ Mr. Bugliosi:  But I personally will stake my prosecutorial reputation, if I have one, on the proposition that within the pages of The Betrayal of America I prove beyond all reasonable doubt that these justices were absolutely up to no good, and they deliberately set out to hand the election to George Bush.

2.  There was/is a vast rightwing conspiracy—I suggest you look at Richard Mellon Scaife and the Arkansas project.

3.  The Bush tax cut gave a disproportionate amount to the top bracket—they received over 40% of the tax cut but the top marginal rate was only 39%.  You’re batting 1000 so far.

4.  The media is not liberally biased.  It was the Liberla NY Times that ran the bullshit Whitewater stories and the bull shit Iraq WMD Judith Miller stories.  You prove nothing.  Do you honestly believe that corporate owned media is going to undercut its own bottom line?  Look at underreported stories.

5.  Lunch Programs?  Was this like when Reagan had Ketchup categorized as a vegetable?

6.  Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman.  You’d know that if you knew what the definition of “is” is.

7.  Welfare works.  It's that simple.  The majority of recipients are on it for a brief time before finding longterm work.   Republicans don’t know shit about escaping poverty b/c they are elitists that largely depend on nepotism to succeed, to wit one GW Bush.  He ain’t no rugged individual like Clinton was.

8.  Opinions about gov. spending are just that.  The convoluted argument that follows is just speculative bullshit.  Where’s the lie?

9.  This is too easy.  Privatizing Social Security is not risky, unless you depend on SS for retirement income.  Privatization is a boondoggle that would DESTROY the character of SS as social insurance and turn it into a cash cow for Wall Street to the detriment of US workers.  Please push me on this one.

10.  Trickle down economics don’t work.  Reagan had to raise taxes 7 times in his 8 years as president to overcome his ruinous and irresponsible tax cuts.

You mount no credible argument for the Iraq discussion and this other nonsense is food for the Free Republic.

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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2007, 10:29:43 AM »
Here is a link showing the results for May of reputable opinion polls for Congress.

http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm

Here is a link showing the results for May of reputable opinion polls for the President.

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

I don't see where Bush is leading over Congress in the polls as certain neotaints on this board point out from time to time.

In fact if you look at the "Disapproval" ratings on all those polls you'll notice Bush's numbers are significantly higher.

As in most instances just more mis-information from certain neotaints.

Nice job.

BTW, OZMO hit the nail right on the head. Bush and Congress both suck. It's like comparing the stench from two different cesspools.

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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #48 on: May 31, 2007, 10:40:38 AM »
Politicians that are hypocrites and liars?  Imagine that.  Show me the democrats' lies.  Hypocrisy is not just a slander but part of the learning dialectic where one progresses from an ignorant position to an informed position.  We are all hypocrites in that respect.

I will gladly take the side of a 'hypocrite' finally admitting that the war is illegal and immoral rather than that of the stalwart republicans still supporting Bush b/c if we don't fight them over there we'll have to fight them here.

Which side do you stand on?

Go back and read what Democrats had to say about Saddam from about 1998 through 2003 (they called him a threat and actually asked Bush to do something about it).  Look at the fact they passed at least two resolutions AFTER the war started that endorsed the war.  Then look how they ran a one-issue campaign against the war during the last election and when they took control of Congress they didn't do squat.  Now their approval ratings are as bad or worse than Dubya. 

After leading the American people to believe Saddam was a threat, essentially asking for war, endorsing the war after it started, and then running against the war, they are hypocrites and liars in my book.

Above all, they do not have the moral high ground in this matter.  No way. 

I support the troops.  I support my country.  I support the president, regardless of party.  That's the side I'm on. 

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Re: Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan gives up her protest
« Reply #49 on: May 31, 2007, 10:44:27 AM »
I support the president, regardless of party.  That's the side I'm on. 

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