Women police is dangerous

[BigNBloated]

wrong, cops should shoot and kill as many criminals as possible.  No warning shots in the air, the only warning shot is the one to the chest. 

Your an idiot. Hopefully some trigger happy cop takes you down if your ever "suspected" of a crime. Instead of asking questions he just guns you down because you fit the description of the perp he's looking for and you made some sudden moves when he asked to speak to you.  The military tactics being utilized by police these days is absolutely rediculous.

[Migs]

I am not an idiot.   

Also it would help if you read and then understand what you saw.  I said cops should shoot and kill as many CRIMINALS as possible.  Not suspects.  So to make it easier to understand for the simpler folk around here (not referring to you in any sense):

Scenario

It's late one night (night is when the sun goes down and the moon, {aka the white ball in the sky} is seen and there are sparkles in the sky), and a lonely liquor shop clerk is working diligently for $5 an hour.  All of a sudden this masked man with a gun holds up (robs) the store.  He generally screams "give the the mother fooking casssshhhh man.  I need my drugs *insert racial slur*"  Well, low and behold the cop who was making his rounds in the neighborhood (da'hood) sees this going down.  He carefully puts down the coffee and donut, and cautiously approaches the store front.  He get's in with weapon drawn and says "police freeze, or whatever cops need to say to sound cool and in authority)  Then the CRIMINAL turns and the cop shoots.  You see the "police, Freeze yada yada" comment is used not as an announcement of his presence but rather to make sure the CRIMINAL turns to give the cop a wider target.  Center mass shots beig what they are and all. 

Also, for clarification purposes (since it seems someone needs it, not saying it's you).  I will not be suspected of a crime, mostly due to the fact that i won't place myself in that situation (i.e. don't pick up a gun laying on the floor next to a dead guy, don't buy drugs from a street guy (only use trusted sources  ) and don't come out of an alley way with your pants down and screaming my hooker is dead.  If you make a sudden move around a cop, then IMO you deserve to get shot. 

Just a wild non-criminal stab in the dark, but by your last comment i am going to infer (not assume, since we know what happens when we ASSume things), but you lost lil ray-ray to a cop after he "found" some high quality smack and a money clip on the floor...next to tranny hooker left dead in the alley way. 

hope this helps.  Oh and Lens Crafters is having a sale on reading glasses.  Nothing like keeping your eyes healthy. 

[Slin1]

Yes Migs you ARE an idiot

[BigNBloated]

That was rather extensive....

Just for your clarification I am white and would never be caught dead hanging out with someone named ray ray. My concern is only with cops making raids on places and innocent people end up dead. 

The situation you described there is an obvious perp and criminal, a cut and dry case of crackhead robs liquor stoor, robbery goes wrong cop gets dead.

In situations where the details arent so clear and cops choose to work on limited information they should not be encouraged to shoot first ask questions later.  I, and some of my friends have been in situations where guns have been unholstered when it was absolutely not necesary. When you have a gun in your face you dont react how you think you might. Even when its an officer, instinct is usually the first thing to kick in even if you arent a criminal in the given situation. 

Cops have the right to defend themselves when there are threats of deadly force being used against them but in no way should it be acceptable for law enforcement to make "mistakes" in their decisions to use their firearms.   
 

[trab]

I never said anything about warning shots. I was trained two to the head one to the chest.

Center of mass (unless target is in Kevlar vest) till the slide locks back then reload while taking cover and assessing other threat angles will keep you alive longer.
I 'd like to know where they teach preferential head shots w/ side arms. esp under stress.

[Migs]

Yes Migs you ARE an idiot

After all that, "Yes Migs you ARE an idiot" is your comeback.  I think that is weak!  I mean come on, i'm giving you fodder and you can't compile something that has, at least some humor.  You, have no sense of humor and apparently YOU are not smarter than a 5th grader, you are dismissed! 

i live in atlanta, and in the county where i am at, there has been a high number of officer related shootings.  In all the cases, except for maybe the 97 year old granda, the shootings are justified.  I alos believe that if you are on death row, you need to die, not live in a cell fro 20 years.  I say prisons should clean house every friday and wipe out all lifers.  The whole, "if you kill an innocnet man then it proves the system is wrong" is crap.  That's the price of having a systme like ours. 

[Migs]

Migs you'd like N Korea .
Hows the Back? It Was bothering you I recall...?

ROFL.  Hey, what can i say, i like to see punishment handed out.

Yeah it still hurts.  comes and goes.  but i figure if i chug 2 beers and take 5 tylenol pm's i can get some sleep.  I need to find a good acupuncturist/chiropractor.

[BigNBloated]

How did a 97 yr old grandad get shot? 

You seem like a guy that likes to see the punishment get handed out but once you are caught in a situation where your on the receiving end of it youll be crying out for mercy complaining that the justice system isnt fair. 

There is no solid solution, but hypocrits like that still knowingly break the law, seeing how you admitted to purchasing drugs from a drug dealer,    "don't buy drugs from a street guy (only use trusted sources  )"
 sit on a high horse surrounded in your crooked beleifs till the cops come barking up your tree and serve a warrant.

Im sure youll be singing a diff song. Instead of the, everyone must be humbled under the strong hand of the law tune you've got playing now. 

[SamoanIrishman]

Personally, I think there is a place for some size as a cop. It helps chill out a situation.
I don't think even smaller guys should be cops.   It leads to the need/use of more deadly force when a cops mere Presence is not enough to be somewhat intimidating/imposing. Ive seen this happen, and it's bad for the officer, public and the offender. ALL the "equal opportunity" biz in this country is pure fantasy. People are not equal in every way. And pretending is BS. Hell yes, there are women who are much stronger than most guys, but it's a small number.

I agree. My ex-girlfriend was a cop and she was tough...real tough. I watched her put down dudes my size and she was only 5'9" 135lbs...ripped. BUT, I would hate to see her have to get to that point which raises the risk of something really bad happening when if she was a 6'+, 240+lbs, 8%bf dude most (even if drunk or high) would at least think twice on whether they could get upper hand or not.

Perfect example - a racing buddy of mine (Sportbikes) is also a sheriff. He is 6'2, 240lbs or so and ripped (also does cage fighting), had some drunk hillbilly with a severe attitude step up to him like he was gonna swing right as Scott was getting ready to cuff him for DUI. He didn't get but within a foot of Scott before he tried to push him and found out that he couldn't!!!..LOL...it was like pushing a brick wall. He then proceded to get picked up and slammed into the hood of his car head first. Well if you watch the tape... after he seen that it did nothing his eyes got big (a little more sober?..lol) and started to say "sorry, sorry man I didn't mean it" as his feet left the ground...lol.

Point is...most (criminals with something / nothing to lose) in their own way try to "size up" the officer when shit is about to go down. I think the bigger and / or crazier the criminal...if they think they can do something, are more willing to try with a lady than with a man regardless of size. Psychology implies that we are wired to believe that women are the weaker sex..the nurturers, child rearer ect..I've watched her whoop several guys that came in the ring with that mindset and leave shamed...not cause their manuvers, tactic or technique were inferior but because they got beat by "a girl".

After speaking to several LO's, including my ex (we're still friends) she says that if she rolls up on a dude that is under the influence and is displaying signs of aggression, she'll back off, ready her taser and wait for back up to arrive.

LO are trained to recognize bad situations and avoid unnecessary risks. So to ass that posted this thread, Know what the f**k your talking about before you post here...you f-ing moron. Please, next time you see a female cop, tell her opinion then backhand her and proceed to pull out your 2.4inch cock and tell her your going to kill her.. or are you just all talk tough guy? Let us know if you survive. Or, if she has enough "emotional control" how she didn't cap your dumb ass but then thoroughly she beat you down.


...dumb ass.

[trab]

That was rather extensive....

Just for your clarification I am white and would never be caught dead hanging out with someone named ray ray. My concern is only with cops making raids on places and innocent people end up dead. 

The situation you described there is an obvious perp and criminal, a cut and dry case of crackhead robs liquor stoor, robbery goes wrong cop gets dead.

In situations where the details arent so clear and cops choose to work on limited information they should not be encouraged to shoot first ask questions later.  I, and some of my friends have been in situations where guns have been unholstered when it was absolutely not necesary. When you have a gun in your face you dont react how you think you might. Even when its an officer, instinct is usually the first thing to kick in even if you arent a criminal in the given situation. 

Cops have the right to defend themselves when there are threats of deadly force being used against them but in no way should it be acceptable for law enforcement to make "mistakes" in their decisions to use their firearms.   
 

I agree W/ a lot here, and your previous "military tactics" statement.
 I live in about as safe a area as it gets and these tactics are 100% uncalled for. I dont live in Atlanta. Some parts of the nearest big city close to me are bad news. But America has taken on a police militarization flavor I dont like.

I dont see how anyone can argue that women & smaller guy officers dont need to unholster a sidearm sooner to protect themself/others  or  control the situation.

[Migs]

How did a 97 yr old grandad get shot? 

You seem like a guy that likes to see the punishment get handed out but once you are caught in a situation where your on the receiving end of it youll be crying out for mercy complaining that the justice system isnt fair. 

There is no solid solution, but hypocrits like that still knowingly break the law, seeing how you admitted to purchasing drugs from a drug dealer,    "don't buy drugs from a street guy (only use trusted sources  )"
 sit on a high horse surrounded in your crooked beleifs till the cops come barking up your tree and serve a warrant.

Im sure youll be singing a diff song. Instead of the, everyone must be humbled under the strong hand of the law tune you've got playing now. 

bad no-knock warrant.  long story.  As for the rest of your post...

1)  I don't buy drugs.  That was a joke.  Most of my posts are often colored with some type of humor/sarcasm.
2)  I am who i say i am.  If i hold a standard i hold it across the board.  I expect the same form others as  i do myself and most of the time i hold myself to a highr standrad than of others.  i believe that if i do something wrong then i should suffer the consequences.  Anyone who knows me, knows that.
3)  Is the system fair?  no, but tough sh*t.  that's life.  don't assume you know my reactions to events. 

[BigNBloated]

I agree W/ a lot here, and your previous "military tactics" statement.
 I live in about as safe a area as it gets and these tactics are 100% uncalled for. I dont live in Atlanta. Some parts of the nearest big city close to me are bad news. But America has taken on a police militarization flavor I dont like.

I dont see how anyone can argue that women & smaller guy officers dont need to unholster a sidearm sooner to protect themself/others  or  control the situation.

I completely understand unholstering to control a situation. In some instances however it can make a situation worse. My beef is with the poor decision making of officers about when to unholster a weapon and when to use deadly force. Many times shootings occur because police work on bad intel and dont know how explosive a situation may or may not be when they are walking into it.

[BigNBloated]

bad no-knock warrant.  long story.  As for the rest of your post...

1)  I don't buy drugs.  That was a joke.  Most of my posts are often colored with some type of humor/sarcasm.
2)  I am who i say i am.  If i hold a standard i hold it across the board.  I expect the same form others as  i do myself and most of the time i hold myself to a highr standrad than of others.  i believe that if i do something wrong then i should suffer the consequences.  Anyone who knows me, knows that.
3)  Is the system fair?  no, but tough sh*t.  that's life.  don't assume you know my reactions to events. 

I was just holding you to the double standard you put yourself in while making the joke about buying drugs. The hypocrasy of some people pisses me off.  They want one thing for some people but not themselves.  The pill addicted radio shock jock who wants all drug users throw in jail type of thing, Rush Limbaugh should have burned at the stake for that shit. 

My assumptions are a perfect example of how being provided with false information about someone can lead to bad things. 

[trab]

I agree. My ex-girlfriend was a cop and she was tough...real tough. I watched her put down dudes my size and she was only 5'9" 135lbs...ripped. BUT, I would hate to see her have to get to that point which raises the risk of something really bad happening when if she was a 6'+, 240+lbs, 8%bf dude most (even if drunk or high) would at least think twice on whether they could get upper hand or not.

 He is 6'2, 240lbs or so and ripped He didn't get but within a foot of Scott before he tried to push him and found out that he couldn't!!!..LOL...it was like pushing a brick wall. He then proceded to get picked up and slammed into the hood of his car head first. Well if you watch the tape... after he seen that it did nothing his eyes got big (a little more sober?..lol) and started to say "sorry, sorry man I didn't mean it" as his feet left the ground...lol.

Point is...most (criminals with something / nothing to lose) in their own way try to "size up" the officer when shit is about to

After speaking to several LO's, including my ex (we're still friends) she says that if she rolls up on a dude that is under the influence and is displaying signs of aggression, she'll back off, ready her taser and wait for back up to arrive.

LO are trained to recognize bad situations and avoid unnecessary risks.

That post is 100% credible (rare on GB).
   I'll ad, I've supervised my share of hard-timer bad MOFOS on construstion crews. The bigest danger is getting sliced up by these bastards whacked out on meth or crack. Size has no correlation w/ how dangerous that breed is.
I do think some women cant pull the patrol officer job off, but I see plenty that are a invitation to disaster out there.
Most people comply w/ LE out of fear/ respect. When you get the one who has NO respect for that badge, it's going to be a big bad surprise.

[Migs]

I was just holding you to the double standard you put yourself in while making the joke about buying drugs. The hypocrasy of some people pisses me off.  They want one thing for some people but not themselves.  The pill addicted radio shock jock who wants all drug users throw in jail type of thing, Rush Limbaugh should have burned at the stake for that shit. 

My assumptions are a perfect example of how being provided with false information about someone can lead to bad things. 

kinda but not really

[BigNBloated]

kinda but not really

yah, kinda. 

[SamoanIrishman]

Thanks bro...I try to stick on subject. Instead of hi-jacking this into a "cops suck" post...I wanted to address the ignorant comment the originator of this thread posted about a woman inablility to do a job that would suck for a man or women especially when dealing with someone that doesn't give a shit for one reason or another.

The reason that women or smaller men can be cops is because they are trained to AVOID these (I'm a hero) situations. Most bad things happen when they (officers) get complacent in their duties / training vs. treating EVERY stop / call like it could be their last.

[trab]

I completely understand unholstering to control a situation. In some instances however it can make a situation worse. My beef is with the poor decision making of officers about when to unholster a weapon and when to use deadly force. Many times shootings occur because police work on bad intel and dont know how explosive a situation may or may not be when they are walking into it.

I'm basically in agreement. Pulling a gun should be avoided at all costs.
My feel is if need to pull it, its time to kill 99% of the time.
Pulling a weapon is provocative and will get some kind of response, maybe not what they thought.
Plenty of cops are not all that experienced or proficient w/ firearms anyway.
I suspect many NEVER owned or fired a weapon prior to the PD.

[BigNBloated]

A friend of mine from high school just became a Charleston SC PO.  She is a very tiny girl former cheerleader, never expected her to become a cop. Someone like her needs to take the extra steps in training to become as proficient as possible in dealing with larger individuals and defusing situations as a woman who may not be physically capable but can make smart decisions like the samoan said, backing up readying the tazer and calling for backup.

  As far as I know she never touched a gun before going into law enforcement.  I beleive women police officers can handle the job with the same success as men. I think the problem lies in the the population losing respect for the badge like someone mentioned before. Like me, some people get sour taste in their mouths dealing with cops but the majority I have dealt with are very respectable and have treated me well.

Although I have a different attitude about them now I still stfu and give respect. 

[trab]

Im just not comfortable with EEOC & Affirm action hiring ideology . I'd never hire a woman to carry 12' double packs of sheetrock. (or most guys for that matter). I've only worked w/ one gal who was 1/2 safe and capable of building & working on scaffold and planking at height.

I dont have to make excuses why they cant do the job. Most are totally incapable. Its obvious in minutes.
Yes, there are other places for them as a big asset on a job site.

I comply w/ cops immediately, but Ive worked w/  guys who in their own words "dont care about themself or anyone else."  That's a common customer at the lock ups.

[BigNBloated]

The physical side of the job is obviously in favor of men.  Women cant out perform guys. People with the mentality you described, trab, are very dangerous for officers. 

[trab]

The physical side of the job is obviously in favor of men.  Women cant out perform guys. People with the mentality you described, trab, are very dangerous for officers. 

They are very dangerous to supervise on a jobsite. At least cops have some respect (and a badge & gun)
they are way more likely to go off on someone else. Only thing keeps them in place is not wanting to go back to the cage, and some of them really cant function well in the real world. Two have outright told me that, "They like prison" .
Both were dead serious.

[knny187]

And that makes sense after my quote why? 

because if it can happen to men...why in hell are women in that position?

It's my same belief with women in the military....what a friggen waste.

Talking from experience.  Not saying they can't hold a job because of aptitude..in some case maybe even better than men....but when physical demands come in place.

It's ludicrous.

[powerpack]

because if it can happen to men...why in hell are women in that position?

It's my same belief with women in the military....what a friggen waste.

Talking from experience.  Not saying they can't hold a job because of aptitude..in some case maybe even better than men....but when physical demands come in place.

It's ludicrous.

Actually the main reason they don't have woman front line is because men get demoralised when they see female comrades dying.
It is in our DNA to protect woman, your own woman dying around you shows you and the world that you can not protect your woman.
No matter what the feminists say that is how we are programed.
Woman and children are the prize!!!

That is also why people rape woman as a weapon of war, it demoralises the enemies men, shows the world they cant look after their woman and the whole next generation of children is suspect.
Just like in Bosnia.

Woman only units like the Russian flying witches of World war two actually did OK.(Tank buster planes)
Mixed units don't work well.

[trab]

Flying a plane is a far cry from spending months fighting to the death in the dirt.

There's a reason there ain't women on front line combat or even carrying the sheet-rock, or building scaffolding I described - They cant! Very few anyways.