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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2007, 09:19:45 AM »
Hey genius, here's a thought.........stop fucking with the IGF, so there ya go Milos, I just gave you your first clue as to WHY he looked like a blowfish.....you're a "guru" take it from there!

IGF cause the bloated look in your opinion ?

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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2007, 09:49:25 AM »
IGF cause the bloated look in your opinion ?

Absolutley, and it takes no time at all to unravel all the time these guys put into their diets, DJ's a perfect example, he looks great a week or less out, but the day of the show, thats when it all comes undone, he'll go from looking like a winner to being lucky to place in the top 5, IGF is the probably the main reason why hardly anyone comes in "shredded" anymore.

I've read plenty of studies on IGF and it's huge on fluid retention.

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2007, 10:33:43 AM »
DJ's problem isn't the water, he looks messed up because he has one of the worst guts in bodybuilding today, worse than Coleman's or any other for that matter.
He should be dead last.
BB sucks, and 'gurus' like Milos do not seem to be the cure, most of his clients (they're not athletes, thats for sure) have terrible guts.

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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2007, 11:12:27 AM »
DJ's problem isn't the water, he looks messed up because he has one of the worst guts in bodybuilding today, worse than Coleman's or any other for that matter.
He should be dead last.
BB sucks, and 'gurus' like Milos do not seem to be the cure, most of his clients (they're not athletes, thats for sure) have terrible guts.

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Again....IGF-1 and the genius behind it......Milos.

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2007, 11:42:00 AM »
What exactly is IFG-1?

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2007, 11:48:30 AM »
Hate to speak for Milos, but I am pretty sure that he thinks IGF is crap. Personally I think it's worthless too.

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« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2007, 02:23:23 PM »
Insulin as prescribed by Milos is ruining physiques.

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2007, 02:29:03 PM »
Insulin as prescribed by Milos is ruining physiques.

Can't argue with that bro. Too much offseaon insulin use has a lot to do with the protruding bellies.

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« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2007, 02:48:21 PM »
Jim can you give us a ballpark figure of how many carbs these guys are dieting on?
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« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2007, 03:05:28 PM »
Jim can you give us a ballpark figure of how many carbs these guys are dieting on?


Here is a diet that Dennis has used in the past that appeared on Milos' site:

4:30 AM protein shake (mixed proteins) total of 60 grams of protein, no carbs
5:30 AM 1 HOUR CARDIO
7:30 AM 150 grams of Oatmeal (80 grams of carbs), 15 egg whites (60 grams of protein)
10 AM    Training
11 AM    Postworkout drink (60 grams of protein, 150 grams of simple carbohydrates)

12:30 PM 300 grams of rice (120 grams of carbs), 300 g of Chicken breast (70g protein)
3 PM        300 grams of rice (120 g of carbs), 300 g of Lean Steak (60 g of protein)
5 PM        300 grams of rice (120 g of carbs), 300 g of Chicken breast (70 g of protein)
6 PM     Training
7:30 PM   Postworkout drink ( 60 g protein, 150 g simple carbs)
9:30 PM   300 grams of steak (60 g protein), 250 g mixed vegetables ( 30 g of carbs)
Midnight -  Protein shake ( 60 g of protein).


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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2007, 03:37:11 PM »
600-700 carbs? thats insane
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« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2007, 03:40:13 PM »
Jim can you give us a ballpark figure of how many carbs these guys are dieting on?

Youngblood pretty much summed it up, but it will vary also according to workout and non workout days. I would also imagine that they would cycle their carbs low at times so it is going to vary to degrees.

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« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2007, 05:46:41 PM »

Here is a diet that Dennis has used in the past that appeared on Milos' site:

4:30 AM protein shake (mixed proteins) total of 60 grams of protein, no carbs
5:30 AM 1 HOUR CARDIO
7:30 AM 150 grams of Oatmeal (80 grams of carbs), 15 egg whites (60 grams of protein)
10 AM    Training
11 AM    Postworkout drink (60 grams of protein, 150 grams of simple carbohydrates)

12:30 PM 300 grams of rice (120 grams of carbs), 300 g of Chicken breast (70g protein)
3 PM        300 grams of rice (120 g of carbs), 300 g of Lean Steak (60 g of protein)
5 PM        300 grams of rice (120 g of carbs), 300 g of Chicken breast (70 g of protein)
6 PM     Training
7:30 PM   Postworkout drink ( 60 g protein, 150 g simple carbs)
9:30 PM   300 grams of steak (60 g protein), 250 g mixed vegetables ( 30 g of carbs)
Midnight -  Protein shake ( 60 g of protein).



I take it this is offseason?

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2007, 06:02:47 PM »
You're obviously a 149lb kid with pimples jetting goo at his screen because you have no clue. Disgusted is right. And you don't know anything about IGF.

No, I'm a 220lb man who's been in the industry for more than 30 years, you know who I am, I just changed my name, but if Milos isn't using the IGF-1 he's still screwing up physiques the insulin........this is fact.

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« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2007, 06:23:50 PM »
I take it this is offseason?

Don't know, I got this from Milos' site, as it was posted a few years back. I think it's during his diet actually, I seem to remember Milos saying that Dennis is still hungry after all of this food. :-\

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #40 on: June 03, 2007, 06:39:38 PM »

Here is a diet that Dennis has used in the past that appeared on Milos' site:

4:30 AM protein shake (mixed proteins) total of 60 grams of protein, no carbs
5:30 AM 1 HOUR CARDIO
7:30 AM 150 grams of Oatmeal (80 grams of carbs), 15 egg whites (60 grams of protein)
10 AM    Training
11 AM    Postworkout drink (60 grams of protein, 150 grams of simple carbohydrates)

12:30 PM 300 grams of rice (120 grams of carbs), 300 g of Chicken breast (70g protein)
3 PM        300 grams of rice (120 g of carbs), 300 g of Lean Steak (60 g of protein)
5 PM        300 grams of rice (120 g of carbs), 300 g of Chicken breast (70 g of protein)
6 PM     Training
7:30 PM   Postworkout drink ( 60 g protein, 150 g simple carbs)
9:30 PM   300 grams of steak (60 g protein), 250 g mixed vegetables ( 30 g of carbs)
Midnight -  Protein shake ( 60 g of protein).


Yeah you can be sure there's AT LEAST 20IU of insulin after each of those training sessions.

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #41 on: June 03, 2007, 06:54:02 PM »
You're obviously a 149lb kid with pimples jetting goo at his screen because you have no clue. Disgusted is right. And you don't know anything about IGF.

Hey Milos rentboy

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2007, 09:08:39 PM »
I take it this is offseason?

When loading for a show though its nothing unusual for one of the bigger guys to take in over 2,500g carbs over 3 days!!!

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2007, 09:13:06 PM »
When loading for a show though its nothing unusual for one of the bigger guys to take in over 2,500g carbs over 3 days!!!

Your a good dude Luke, so this isn't a blast......but carb deficit + carb load + insulin = stomach bloat or as some call it GH gut.

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2007, 09:15:03 PM »
When loading for a show though its nothing unusual for one of the bigger guys to take in over 2,500g carbs over 3 days!!!

BTW, didn't know it was loading before a show.

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #45 on: June 04, 2007, 02:01:08 AM »
Hhaahah good joke!
Here is the Link:
http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=1221.msg60299#msg60299

Q: Last October I attended Dutch Grand Prix and had a chance to talk to many of my
bodybuilding heroes. Interestingly, once I started asking them several questions I have
realized that all of them train and diet differently. When I continued with specific
questions about contest preparation, I learned that some of the great champions (like
Dorian, Ronnie and Dennis James) count their calories and choose only several
different foods ( chicken, steak, egg whites, oatmeal, potatoes and vegetables),
while others (like Dexter Jackson, Cormier and supposedly Flex and Shawn) don’t.
What is your approach?

A: As you just noticed it is possible to use many different methods of training and dieting
and accomplish outstanding results. You mentioned the names of probably the very best
bodybuilders in the last decade and as you realized they all have different beliefs about th
contest preparation. I am actually very close to some of them, and I am very familiar with
their programs. My friend Dennis, for example, is so precise that he would not miss any
of his meals for even a minute. Does he count calories? He measures everything he eats
and he would not use a single gram (of either protein, carbohydrates or fat) more or less
than what was planned. Here is example of his exact diet for the Mr. Olympia
competition (starting 16 weeks out):

4:30 AM protein shake (mixed proteins) total of 60 grams of protein, no carbs
5:30 AM 1 HOUR CARDIO
7:30 AM 150 grams of Oatmeal (80 grams of carbs), 15 egg whites (60 grams of protein)
10 AM    Training
11 AM    Postworkout drink (60 grams of protein, 150 grams of simple carbohydrates)

12:30 PM 300 grams of rice (120 grams of carbs), 300 g of Chicken breast (70g protein)
3 PM        300 grams of rice (120 g of carbs), 300 g of Lean Steak (60 g of protein)
5 PM        300 grams of rice (120 g of carbs), 300 g of Chicken breast (70 g of protein)
6 PM     Training
7:30 PM   Postworkout drink ( 60 g protein, 150 g simple carbs)
9:30 PM   300 grams of steak (60 g protein), 250 g mixed vegetables ( 30 g of carbs)
Midnight -  Protein shake ( 60 g of protein).

Exciting, is in it? I would go crazy on this kind of diet, but Dennis actually enjoyed it!
If anyone can believe this – he complained that he was constantly hungry?!?
Dennis is just one of my fellow competitors/friends that I design diet for. What I usually
do is estimate their energy intake/expenditure and than according to amount of time they
have until the contest – design diet that would get them in contest shape couple of weeks
before they have to step on the stage. Of course idea is to preserve as much muscle mass

while efficiently loosing body fat. If their weight/ body fat does not drop as planned I
immediately make necessary changes. I would give the daily allowance for amount of
protein/carbs/fat without really limiting the choices. Many of my “clients” usually get
confused when I tell them that I would allow them to choose what they WANT to eat.

Posted:
European Flex, May 2003, Counting calories?
« on: February 15, 2004, 04:09:25 AM »





Here is a diet that Dennis has used in the past that appeared on Milos' site:

4:30 AM protein shake (mixed proteins) total of 60 grams of protein, no carbs
5:30 AM 1 HOUR CARDIO
7:30 AM 150 grams of Oatmeal (80 grams of carbs), 15 egg whites (60 grams of protein)
10 AM    Training
11 AM    Postworkout drink (60 grams of protein, 150 grams of simple carbohydrates)

12:30 PM 300 grams of rice (120 grams of carbs), 300 g of Chicken breast (70g protein)
3 PM        300 grams of rice (120 g of carbs), 300 g of Lean Steak (60 g of protein)
5 PM        300 grams of rice (120 g of carbs), 300 g of Chicken breast (70 g of protein)
6 PM     Training
7:30 PM   Postworkout drink ( 60 g protein, 150 g simple carbs)
9:30 PM   300 grams of steak (60 g protein), 250 g mixed vegetables ( 30 g of carbs)
Midnight -  Protein shake ( 60 g of protein).



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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #46 on: June 04, 2007, 02:24:48 AM »

Dorian did what Mike Mentzer said, if he didn't then Mike would have went off on him.  But Dorian became champion

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #47 on: June 04, 2007, 04:31:22 AM »

Here is a diet that Dennis has used in the past that appeared on Milos' site:

4:30 AM protein shake (mixed proteins) total of 60 grams of protein, no carbs
5:30 AM 1 HOUR CARDIO
7:30 AM 150 grams of Oatmeal (80 grams of carbs), 15 egg whites (60 grams of protein)
10 AM    Training
11 AM    Postworkout drink (60 grams of protein, 150 grams of simple carbohydrates)

12:30 PM 300 grams of rice (120 grams of carbs), 300 g of Chicken breast (70g protein)
3 PM        300 grams of rice (120 g of carbs), 300 g of Lean Steak (60 g of protein)
5 PM        300 grams of rice (120 g of carbs), 300 g of Chicken breast (70 g of protein)
6 PM     Training
7:30 PM   Postworkout drink ( 60 g protein, 150 g simple carbs)
9:30 PM   300 grams of steak (60 g protein), 250 g mixed vegetables ( 30 g of carbs)
Midnight -  Protein shake ( 60 g of protein).



Looks to be 690 grams of protein for one day.

And no fats?!!!

The only day you wouldn't eat fats, would be on a carb loading day.

What a bunch of bullshit. If this was a carb loading day for Dennis, the protein is way too high, and the carbs are much too low.

Ridiculous diet IMO.

I thought Sarcev actually was smart when it came to nutrition, and I will give him the benefit of the doubt. I refuse to believe that the above posted diet is true, or it has to be taken out of context in some strange way.

Regardless, the protein content is extreme, much higher than anyone could ever process, and a total waste.

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #48 on: June 04, 2007, 05:33:17 AM »
Since when did bodybuilding become a team sport?

Since when did bodybuilding become a sport;D  Perhaps gordiano can shed some light on this...
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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #49 on: June 04, 2007, 02:39:40 PM »
it was my understanding that the reason there is no fats is because the athlete using this diet is also using insulin which is non-selective and would puch fat into the muscle. or something like that. CAn anybody help explain this?
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