Author Topic: Was the Colorado pro a success? (Read 6950 times)

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #25 on:** June 03, 2007, 02:13:45 PM »

Quote from: Matt C on June 03, 2007, 02:08:25 PM

haha, yeah maybe!

For real, how many people do you suppose attended the show?

The one really good audience shot BB.com did showed at most 100 people (5 or 6 rows filled). This was right before the final posedown.

Maybe there were more earlier and they left in disgust after the kiddie-porn that Bob insists was just "wholesome family entertainment"?

1Fast400 · « **Reply #26 on:** June 03, 2007, 03:58:08 PM »

Nobody comes to bb'ing shows, we all know this. That is why they HAVE to have an NPC show. These people pay to enter, famlies pay to see them and they pay no money out. That is why every small pro show (non O/arnold) has to have an NPC show. You have to figure in the monster payday and the 10k in sanction fee's they paid to have it. Plus paying judges, stipend money, rentals, etc. It's a good thing Vyotech doesn't have to be profitable. They're running off "other" money

Zwier · « **Reply #27 on:** June 03, 2007, 04:15:17 PM »

what you mean with "other" money ?

jwb · « **Reply #28 on:** June 03, 2007, 04:19:54 PM »

I was reading an old magazine I found in a box on the weekend and they were talking about a pro contest in germany around 1989 and they were complaining that ONLY 2000 people turned up.

How times have changed!

240 is Back · « **Reply #29 on:** June 03, 2007, 04:41:17 PM »

Bbing was huge in europe in the 90s.

Matt C · « **Reply #30 on:** June 03, 2007, 07:19:38 PM »

Quote from: 1Fast400 on June 03, 2007, 03:58:08 PM

It's a good thing Vyotech doesn't have to be profitable. They're running off "other" money

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Truth is, this isn't just Vyotech though. Fronts are everywhere. Ask 240 about opiate monies and how they were sustaining the US economy post-911. It's a fact of life that a lot of people like to pretend doesn't exist.

My friend's review of 17-HD:

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/vyotech17hdreview.html

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #31 on:** June 03, 2007, 07:27:16 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on June 03, 2007, 04:41:17 PM

Bbing was huge in europe in the 90s.

It was bigger in the US back in the late 80's/early 90's as well. In 2007, nobody gives a fucck. When a pro show only pulls ~100 ppl for the finals, that should tell you something.

I think the subculture is only going to support 2 big shows, one in the east and one in the west, held about 6 months apart (O and ASC). People come to those as "weekend conventions" to hang with others in the subculture, the show's just an excuse really.

But nobody's going to spend an evening attending a 2nd-tier show the way you would a baseball or basketball game... nobody.

Vince B · « **Reply #32 on:** June 03, 2007, 07:35:23 PM »

We are forgetting the show had a large audience if you include the broadcast viewers. Maybe this is the way of the future and sponsors will make their money through advertising. So it may not matter than not many actually show up in the auditorium.

Bottom line is that it is sad that so few showed up. It couldn't have anything to do with how Shawn behaved on Getbig in the months leading up to his event? Those exchanges with Milos and others weren't smart for a contest promoter. I hope he learned his lesson here. If you annoy enough people and are perceived in a disapproving way you can't expect people to support you re spending money in your direction.

Where is Shawn and the athletes rep to explain how great everything went?

HowieW · « **Reply #33 on:** June 03, 2007, 07:36:15 PM »

Quote from: Disgusted on June 03, 2007, 11:57:58 AM

Even the balcony was filled.

THat is too damn funny, awesome pic post

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #34 on:** June 03, 2007, 07:40:59 PM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on June 03, 2007, 07:35:23 PM

We are forgetting the show had a large audience if you include the broadcast viewers. Maybe this is the way of the future and sponsors will make their money through advertising. So it may not matter than not many actually show up in the auditorium.

Oh sure, if you include the webcasts more are watching than ever before. But the promoters make no money off the webcasts; so how can the shows sustain themselves financially?

Unless paid advertising on the webcasts can cover both the cost of putting on the webcast plus somehow support a portion of the prize money/costs, I don't see how these 2nd tier shows will remain viable in the long term.

Matt C · « **Reply #35 on:** June 03, 2007, 07:48:24 PM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on June 03, 2007, 07:35:23 PM

Bottom line is that it is sad that so few showed up. It couldn't have anything to do with how Shawn behaved on Getbig in the months leading up to his event?

It's possible.

As I've said before, I respect Shawn's performance as a bodybuilder but wish for him to understand why bodybuilders are compensated as they are. They are for a reason - lack of market value. It has nothing to do with being exploited or any number of excuses bodybuilders come up with. I've actually been quite happy since last year that Shawn put the Colorado pro in place and offered big prize money and now gets to see first hand what a disaster that is - it gives him a chance to learn for himself and see the error of his ways. Granted, the IFBB is a monopoly which is difficult to analyze in strict economic terms. I would need to see evidence to believe the Colorado Pro did not operate at a loss.

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #36 on:** June 03, 2007, 07:52:04 PM »

oh yeah one more thing...how did the bodybuilding.com webmaster know at 5:30 who won the viewers choice award?

Chick · « **Reply #37 on:** June 03, 2007, 07:56:34 PM »

Quote from: bigdumbbell on June 03, 2007, 07:52:04 PM

oh yeah one more thing...how did the bodybuilding.com webmaster know at 5:30 who won the viewers choice award?

He didn't...

Vince B · « **Reply #38 on:** June 03, 2007, 07:58:21 PM »

The fan award should have been awarded after the broadcast was over. No way anyone could properly make that call until the finals were over. It seemed inappropriate to award the fan prize before the results were announced. If the same guy didn't win both it could have been a bit embarrassing, etc. They could have announced that fan prize on Getbig after the show.

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #39 on:** June 03, 2007, 07:59:10 PM »

Bob! How many would you guess were there during the finals? The screencaps from bb.com clearly show 5-6 rows filled at best.

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #40 on:** June 03, 2007, 08:00:28 PM »

Quote from: Chick on June 03, 2007, 07:56:34 PM

He didn't...

but he told us several hours before the vote was over....i was here for it. and i dont do drugs or drink so i know what i read LOL

Chick · « **Reply #41 on:** June 03, 2007, 08:01:28 PM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on June 03, 2007, 07:58:21 PM

The fan award should have been awarded after the broadcast was over. No way anyone could properly make that call until the finals were over. It seemed inappropriate to award the fan prize before the results were announced. If the same guy didn't win both it could have been a bit embarrassing, etc. They could have announced that fan prize on Getbig after the show.

Sure there is....we have the numbers from the entire broadcast, nothing was going to change in the last 10 minutes.

It was the FANS choice...voted by the FANS, whether or not it matched the judges decision doesn't matter.

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #42 on:** June 03, 2007, 08:01:52 PM »

Quote from: bigdumbbell on June 03, 2007, 08:00:28 PM

but he told us several hours before the vote was over....i was here for it. and i dont do drugs or drink so i know what i read LOL

Do you have a link to the post? I don't remember that.

Vince B · « **Reply #43 on:** June 03, 2007, 08:08:24 PM »

Bob, I know I have to spell things out for you. I don't mind if you eventually get it.

Look, the IFBB appointed you the pro athletes rep.

Okay, so far so good. Except for not wearing a tie, of course. Anyway, they had a fan award for the best bodybuilder. Can't you as athletes rep see timing is everything re the experience of competitors? That award had nothing to do with the contest and the judges there. Why present that fan award before the judges decision?

If the choice of the fans doesn't win it means the judges might have done a bad job. You will now have two disappointed competitors who both 'won' the contest. Trying to mix the media and actual contests was ill conceived. You guys need to think these things through in future.

Hope this helps.

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #44 on:** June 03, 2007, 08:11:11 PM »

Getbig I

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Getbig!

Re: Webcast finals live!
« Reply #552 on: June 02, 2007, 09:58:49 PM » Quote

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Quote from: Bodybuilding.com Webmaster on June 02, 2007, 09:57:50 PM
Kai Greene wins fan's choice!

Nice to have the insider info!!! thanks Webmaster guy =D

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #45 on:** June 03, 2007, 08:12:27 PM »

Quote from: bigdumbbell on June 03, 2007, 08:11:11 PM

Getbig I

Posts: 58

Getbig!

Re: Webcast finals live!
« Reply #552 on: June 02, 2007, 09:58:49 PM » Quote

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Quote from: Bodybuilding.com Webmaster on June 02, 2007, 09:57:50 PM
Kai Greene wins fan's choice!

Nice to have the insider info!!! thanks Webmaster guy =D

That was at 10pm, probably right before they announced it.

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #46 on:** June 03, 2007, 08:13:20 PM »

Quote from: G o a t b o y on June 03, 2007, 07:59:10 PM

Bob! How many would you guess were there during the finals? The screencaps from bb.com clearly show 5-6 rows filled at best.

*crickets*

Mr Gethin · « **Reply #47 on:** June 03, 2007, 08:23:02 PM »

Don't worry Keith, we spotted you peaking in the convention center. When I find the photo, I'll be sure to post it.

Many people talked about the pic you shot of him. Come on Lift lets see it.

www.kagedmuscle.com

Mr Gethin · « **Reply #48 on:** June 03, 2007, 08:24:13 PM »

Bollocks, I buggered up the quote.

www.kagedmuscle.com

Chick · « **Reply #49 on:** June 03, 2007, 08:27:55 PM »

Quote from: G o a t b o y on June 03, 2007, 08:13:20 PM

*crickets*

Couldn't tell you....more than last year at the beginning...much more. Less at the end of the night...no question, people were tired as the show should be split into two nights next year in my opinion.

Someone said there were 1500 last year, I'd say based on that, there were 2,000 this year...Expo was 10X busier this year than last....