Derek would be lucky to win a overal at a decent local show. His physique is ruined imo. Around his weight one should not have a gut like that. Theres top pros that dont have guts like that. SEO is a no no at any level. Whatever he does for money i cant hate, thats his own deal. But to come on here and run his mouth about what losers getbigt members are and how cool & what a badass he is... is ridiculous. He is not a model. He is never in mags or ads, ok jetfuel but even then, its half assed and rumor had it he isnt on payroll. He is not top national level. His MD crew w/ the exception of dave & john are a bunch of carnies. Derek is the biggest internet schmoe/badass around nothing more