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Libby sentenced to 30 months in prison
« on: June 05, 2007, 09:49:29 AM »
I doubt he serves time.  If he is allowed to remain free on bond pending his appeal, he'll get pardoned by Bush. 

Libby sentenced to 30 months in prison
POSTED: 12:45 p.m. EDT, June 5, 2007
Story Highlights• NEW: Former vice presidential aide also assessed $250,000 fine
• Libby was convicted in March of perjury, obstruction of justice
• Libby maintains his innocence, will appeal his conviction

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, was sentenced Tuesday to 30 months in prison for lying to investigators looking into the leak of a CIA operative's identity.

He also was fined $250,000. Libby was convicted March 6 of four counts in a five-count indictment alleging perjury, obstruction of justice and making false statements to FBI investigators.

He plans to appeal the verdict.

The 30-month sentence was for the obstruction of justice charge. Libby received shorter sentences on the other counts, to run concurrently.

"People who occupy these types of positions, where they have the welfare and security of the nation in their hands, have a special obligation to not do anything that might create a problem," U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton said, according to The Associated Press.

Libby was found guilty in March of lying to investigators about what he told reporters about Valerie Plame, whose identity as a CIA operative was leaked to the media in 2003.

Libby has maintained his innocence ever since he was indicted and resigned in October 2005.

Libby spoke briefly at the sentencing hearing, telling the judge, "It is respectfully my hope that the court will consider, along with the jury verdict, my whole life," the AP reported.

Among those in the packed courtroom were Libby's wife, Harriet Grant, sitting with conservative commentator Mary Matalin, a former Cheney aide, the AP said.

On Tuesday, the judge released dozens of letters written to him by Libby's supporters and detractors, including former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton.

In one letter, Robert Blackwill, who served as presidential envoy to Iraq and in several other posts under President Bush, said he has known Libby for 20 years.

"During these years at the White House, I encountered no one more driven by analytical temperament, fairness of mind and sound policy reasoning than Scooter Libby," Blackwill said.

"Mr. Libby in my judgment has been, over the decades, an exemplary public policy practitioner."

Another person, whose signature was redacted, wrote, "I am writing to urge that Scooter Libby receive the maximum possible sentence. Due to the crimes for which he was convicted, we may never know of the more substantial criminal activities for which he served as a firewall."

The case involves statements Libby made to the FBI and a grand jury during their probe into how the covert identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame was leaked. Libby was the only person charged in the probe. He was not accused of actually leaking classified material.

Plame's name became public when Robert Novak named her in his column on July 14, 2003. Her husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, had openly questioned the Bush administration's basis for invading Iraq. (Timeline of key events in investigation)

Former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage has admitted he disclosed the information to a reporter. Novak pointed to another "senior administration official" -- Bush political adviser Karl Rove -- as the second source for his column.

After the jury returned its verdict against Libby on March 6, lead defense attorney Ted Wells appeared on the courthouse steps with Libby and his other attorneys and declared, "We have every confidence Mr. Libby ultimately will be vindicated." Wells said he believes his client is "totally innocent and that he did not do anything wrong."

Cheney has continued to express support and empathy for his former chief of staff, and it's possible Libby could be granted a presidential pardon before the end of President Bush's term.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/05/cia.leak.trial/index.html

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Re: Libby sentenced to 30 months in prison
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2007, 10:01:18 AM »
The man got sentenced for having a bad memory.   :-\

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Re: Libby sentenced to 30 months in prison
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2007, 10:03:00 AM »
The man got sentenced for having a bad memory.   :-\

With no underlying crime.  No one has been prosecuted for "outing" Plame. 

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Re: Libby sentenced to 30 months in prison
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2007, 10:06:15 AM »
Why is it even a crime to lie for the Vice President?  ::)
Stick out your tongue.

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Re: Libby sentenced to 30 months in prison
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2007, 10:06:32 AM »
If there was't a crime committed how could he be going to jail?

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Re: Libby sentenced to 30 months in prison
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2007, 10:09:40 AM »
If there was't a crime committed how could he be going to jail?
I just think it was a witch-hunt.  It's also just my opinion that the information after-the-fact points in the direction of a witch-hunt.

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Re: Libby sentenced to 30 months in prison
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2007, 10:11:55 AM »
If there was't a crime committed how could he be going to jail?

"Libby was convicted March 6 of four counts in a five-count indictment alleging perjury, obstruction of justice and making false statements to FBI investigators."

What was he lying about?  The "outing" of Plame, which apparently wasn't a crime.   

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Re: Libby sentenced to 30 months in prison
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2007, 10:15:16 AM »
"Libby was convicted March 6 of four counts in a five-count indictment alleging perjury, obstruction of justice and making false statements to FBI investigators."

What was he lying about?  The "outing" of Plame, which apparently wasn't a crime.   

Isn't perjury a crime?

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Re: Libby sentenced to 30 months in prison
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2007, 10:17:17 AM »
Isn't perjury a crime?

but here is the thing...outing plame wasn't a crime in the first place, so he never should have been asked about it....if noone is going to jail for outing plame then why does it matter if he knew the name or not?
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Re: Libby sentenced to 30 months in prison
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2007, 10:17:51 AM »
Isn't perjury a crime?

Of course. 

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Re: Libby sentenced to 30 months in prison
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2007, 10:20:40 AM »
but here is the thing...outing plame wasn't a crime in the first place, so he never should have been asked about it....if noone is going to jail for outing plame then why does it matter if he knew the name or not?

I suppose it doesn''t matter unless you are asked under oath and lie about it?

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Re: Libby sentenced to 30 months in prison
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2007, 10:20:53 AM »
With no underlying crime.  No one has been prosecuted for "outing" Plame. 
No underlying crime?  Libby lied in court and got caught.

End of story for him.  Perjury prosecutions like Libby’s are not unusual.  Hell, if witnesses could lie with impunity, then the entire justice system would break down.

He deserves more time in prison and I’ll tell you why.

In the Plame affair, rather than confront Mr. Wilson’s accusations directly, the White House went after him and his wife—and then lied about the involvement of its senior officials in disclosing her identity. The perpetrators of these unpatriotic partisan acts have yet to be punished, and the President, as usual, has failed to uphold his own professed ethical standards.

Remember Bush saying this, “And if this helps stop leaks, this investigation in finding the truth, it'll not only hold someone to account who should not have leaked -- and this is a serious charge, by the way. We're talking about a criminal action. But also hopefully we'll help send a clear signal we expect other leaks to stop as well.”

He authorized the leak and bullshitted the American public.  http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/0406nj1.htm

The Bush Administration ruined the career of a covert WMD inspector during a time of war where WMDs play a central role.

That sure stinks to high heaven.

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Re: Libby sentenced to 30 months in prison
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2007, 10:25:24 AM »
No underlying crime?  Libby lied in court and got caught.

End of story for him.  Perjury prosecutions like Libby’s are not unusual.  Hell, if witnesses could lie with impunity, then the entire justice system would break down.

He deserves more time in prison and I’ll tell you why.

In the Plame affair, rather than confront Mr. Wilson’s accusations directly, the White House went after him and his wife—and then lied about the involvement of its senior officials in disclosing her identity. The perpetrators of these unpatriotic partisan acts have yet to be punished, and the President, as usual, has failed to uphold his own professed ethical standards.

Remember Bush saying this, “And if this helps stop leaks, this investigation in finding the truth, it'll not only hold someone to account who should not have leaked -- and this is a serious charge, by the way. We're talking about a criminal action. But also hopefully we'll help send a clear signal we expect other leaks to stop as well.”

He authorized the leak and bullshitted the American public.  http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/0406nj1.htm

The Bush Administration ruined the career of a covert WMD inspector during a time of war where WMDs play a central role.

That sure stinks to high heaven.


What was the underlying crime? 

Even the jurors believe he was a fall guy.   


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Re: Libby sentenced to 30 months in prison
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2007, 10:33:35 AM »
No underlying crime?  Libby lied in court and got caught.

End of story for him.  Perjury prosecutions like Libby’s are not unusual.  Hell, if witnesses could lie with impunity, then the entire justice system would break down.

He deserves more time in prison and I’ll tell you why.

In the Plame affair, rather than confront Mr. Wilson’s accusations directly, the White House went after him and his wife—and then lied about the involvement of its senior officials in disclosing her identity. The perpetrators of these unpatriotic partisan acts have yet to be punished, and the President, as usual, has failed to uphold his own professed ethical standards.

Remember Bush saying this, “And if this helps stop leaks, this investigation in finding the truth, it'll not only hold someone to account who should not have leaked -- and this is a serious charge, by the way. We're talking about a criminal action. But also hopefully we'll help send a clear signal we expect other leaks to stop as well.”

He authorized the leak and bullshitted the American public.  http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/0406nj1.htm

The Bush Administration ruined the career of a covert WMD inspector during a time of war where WMDs play a central role.

That sure stinks to high heaven.


Bill Clinton is the only man that can lie in court under oath, c'mon you guys know that!  8)
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Re: Libby sentenced to 30 months in prison
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2007, 10:33:58 AM »
What was the underlying crime? 

Even the jurors believe he was a fall guy.
Who cares what the 'underlying crime' was?

Perjury and obstruction of justice are both crimes the last time I checked.  

How can an investigation get to the bottom of a matter if the participants under scrutiny are lying to the investigators?

The larger issue is still relevant to me:  The entire Plame affair reeks of treason done solely for a game of political 'gotcha'.

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« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2007, 10:35:00 AM »
Bill Clinton is the only man that can lie in court under oath, c'mon you guys know that!  8)
That depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2007, 10:35:55 AM »
Bill Clinton is the only man that can lie in court under oath, c'mon you guys know that!  8)

Yeah,  and the 12th pope was a bastard too.    And the price of tea in china is down.

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« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2007, 10:37:57 AM »
Who cares what the 'underlying crime' was?

Perjury and obstruction of justice are both crimes the last time I checked.  

How can an investigation get to the bottom of a matter if the participants under scrutiny are lying to the investigators?

The larger issue is still relevant to me:  The entire Plame affair reeks of treason done solely for a game of political 'gotcha'.

I care.  In other words, there was no underlying crime, like I've already stated.  

You can throw words like "treason" around all you want, but no one has been charged with a crime (other than Libby).  

I agree with the jurors on this one:  Libby was simply a fall guy.    

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« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2007, 10:42:03 AM »
Yeah,  and the 12th pope was a bastard too.    And the price of tea in china is down.

atta boy!  give clinton a free pass   8)
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Re: Libby sentenced to 30 months in prison
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2007, 10:42:46 AM »
I care.  In other words, there was no underlying crime, like I've already stated.  

You can throw words like "treason" around all you want, but no one has been charged with a crime (other than Libby).  

I agree with the jurors on this one:  Libby was simply a fall guy.    
I said that it 'reeks of treason'...the Bush gang is not stupid.  He helped destroy a covert WMD agent all legal like.  He authorized the leak.  Bush lied about his knowledge of the entire outing of Plame...for once in his life, he played stupid instead of actually being stupid.

Beach Bum you say "Libby was simply a fall guy." right?  A fall guy for whom and what?

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« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2007, 10:49:12 AM »
I said that it 'reeks of treason'...the Bush gang is not stupid.  He helped destroy a covert WMD agent all legal like.  He authorized the leak.  Bush lied about his knowledge of the entire outing of Plame...for once in his life, he played stupid instead of actually being stupid.

Beach Bum you say "Libby was simply a fall guy." right?  A fall guy for whom and what?

I have no idea.  Maybe "fall guy" isn't the right phrase.  He is the victim of a witch hunt.   

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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2007, 10:49:32 AM »
Who cares what the 'underlying crime' was?

Perjury and obstruction of justice are both crimes the last time I checked.  

How can an investigation get to the bottom of a matter if the participants under scrutiny are lying to the investigators?

The larger issue is still relevant to me:  The entire Plame affair reeks of treason done solely for a game of political 'gotcha'.

Plame's boss testified that she was not in covert status...that is why the leaking of her name is not a criminal act....It would be like calling a guy to the stand that wittnessed a water gun fight..."do you remember who shot the water first"..."no I don't" ...down the road they find out he lied about knowing so they throw him in jail? And no that isn't far fetched because the leaking of her name isn't any more illegal than a water gun fight.
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« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2007, 10:53:21 AM »
Plame's boss testified that she was not in covert status...that is why the leaking of her name is not a criminal act....It would be like calling a guy to the stand that wittnessed a water gun fight..."do you remember who shot the water first"..."no I don't" ...down the road they find out he lied about knowing so they throw him in jail? And no that isn't far fetched because the leaking of her name isn't any more illegal than a water gun fight.

Right. 

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« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2007, 11:01:54 AM »
Plame's boss testified that she was not in covert status...that is why the leaking of her name is not a criminal act....It would be like calling a guy to the stand that wittnessed a water gun fight..."do you remember who shot the water first"..."no I don't" ...down the road they find out he lied about knowing so they throw him in jail? And no that isn't far fetched because the leaking of her name isn't any more illegal than a water gun fight.
She was covert.  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/

Plame was ‘covert’ agent at time of name leak

Newly released unclassified document details CIA employment


Libby is likely the first step in the US's case for finding who leaked a covert agent's status.  Here's what Atty. Fitzgerald had to say:

"Libby's lies, made impossible an accurate evaluation of the role that Mr. Libby and those with whom he worked played in the disclosure of information regarding Ms. Wilson's CIA employment and about the motivations for their actions."


"The investigation was necessary to determine whether there was concerted action by any combination of the officials known to have disclosed the information about Ms. Plame to the media as anonymous sources, and also whether any of those who were involved acted at the direction of others. This was particularly important in light of Mr. Libby's statement to the FBI that he may have discussed Ms. Wilson's employment with reporters at the specific direction of the Vice President."

This is not over yet.  Libby is the first link in the chain.


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« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2007, 11:04:39 AM »
She was covert.  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/

Plame was ‘covert’ agent at time of name leak

Newly released unclassified document details CIA employment


Libby is likely the first step in the US's case for finding who leaked a covert agent's status.  Here's what Atty. Fitzgerald had to say:

"Libby's lies, made impossible an accurate evaluation of the role that Mr. Libby and those with whom he worked played in the disclosure of information regarding Ms. Wilson's CIA employment and about the motivations for their actions."


"The investigation was necessary to determine whether there was concerted action by any combination of the officials known to have disclosed the information about Ms. Plame to the media as anonymous sources, and also whether any of those who were involved acted at the direction of others. This was particularly important in light of Mr. Libby's statement to the FBI that he may have discussed Ms. Wilson's employment with reporters at the specific direction of the Vice President."

This is not over yet.  Libby is the first link in the chain.



Dude, I saw the clip where her direct supervisor was on the stand and testified under oath that she was not in covert status...you can show me all of the reporters renditions you want, but I saw and heard it first hand......
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